Dr. Doom Says Things Will Get Worse

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Unless Congress does something about it soon. They won't and he'll be right:

Think the worst is over? Wrong. Conditions in the U.S. labor markets are awful and worsening. While the official unemployment rate is already 10.2% and another 200,000 jobs were lost in October, when you include discouraged workers and partially employed workers the figure is a whopping 17.5%.

While losing 200,000 jobs per month is better than the 700,000 jobs lost in January, current job losses still average more than the per month rate of 150,000 during the last recession.

Also, remember: The last recession ended in November 2001, but job losses continued for more than a year and half until June of 2003; ditto for the 1990-91 recession.

So we can expect that job losses will continue until the end of 2010 at the earliest. In other words, if you are unemployed and looking for work and just waiting for the economy to turn the corner, you had better hunker down. All the economic numbers suggest this will take a while. The jobs just are not coming back.

There's really just one hope for our leaders to turn things around: a bold prescription that increases the fiscal stimulus with another round of labor-intensive, shovel-ready infrastructure projects, helps fiscally strapped state and local governments and provides a temporary tax credit to the private sector to hire more workers. Helping the unemployed just by extending unemployment benefits is necessary not sufficient; it leads to persistent unemployment rather than job creation.

The long-term picture for workers and families is even worse than current job loss numbers alone would suggest. Now as a way of sharing the pain, many firms are telling their workers to cut hours, take furloughs and accept lower wages. Specifically, that fall in hours worked is equivalent to another 3 million full time jobs lost on top of the 7.5 million jobs formally lost.

This is very bad news but we must face facts. Many of the lost jobs are gone forever, including construction jobs, finance jobs and manufacturing jobs. Recent studies suggest that a quarter of U.S. jobs are fully out-sourceable over time to other countries.

Other measures tell the same ugly story: The average length of unemployment is at an all time high; the ratio of job applicants to vacancies is 6 to 1; initial claims are down but continued claims are very high and now millions of unemployed are resorting to the exceptional extended unemployment benefits programs and are staying in them longer.

Based on my best judgment, it is most likely that the unemployment rate will peak close to 11% and will remain at a very high level for two years or more.

The weakness in labor markets and the sharp fall in labor income ensure a weak recovery of private consumption and an anemic recovery of the economy, and increases the risk of a double dip recession.

As a result of these terribly weak labor markets, we can expect weak recovery of consumption and economic growth; larger budget deficits; greater delinquencies in residential and commercial real estate and greater fall in home and commercial real estate prices; greater losses for banks and financial institutions on residential and commercial real estate mortgages, and in credit cards, auto loans and student loans and thus a greater rate of failures of banks; and greater protectionist pressures.

The damage will be extensive and severe unless bold policy action is undertaken now.


http://www.rgemonitor.com/roubini-m...ricans_should_hunker_down_for_more_job_losses
 
Recent survey had over 50% of American businesses planning hires in the next quarter.

Obviously, here's hoping he's wrong...
 
this guy says the last recession ended in 2001...yet...many libs on this board do not call that a recession, they simply call it a downturn...

what say you?

Yes, Nigel - what is your take on this very important matter? Because this splitting-of-hairs distinction is absolutely VITAL to the current economic crisis.

Stand up and be heard, my good man!
 
Yes, Nigel - what is your take on this very important matter? Because this splitting-of-hairs distinction is absolutely VITAL to the current economic crisis.

Stand up and be heard, my good man!


Thank you for the opportunity. I personally defer to the National Bureau of Economic Research on such questions.
 
there has only been one double dip recession in our lifetimes kids, and that was brought to us by the great Economic thinker that was a Peanut farmer that's right Jimma Carta.

No double dip, we'll get a u or v shaped strong recovery.
 
Recent survey had over 50% of American businesses planning hires in the next quarter.

Obviously, here's hoping he's wrong...
I'd like to see your source. The CEO of the company I work for (a fortune 500 company) in a speech to the entire company stated that in our present economic state the economy will have to grow in order to absorb the unemployed as current employers do not plan at the present to bring back those who were let go during the down turn. That concurs with the authors conclusions here.
 
there has only been one double dip recession in our lifetimes kids, and that was brought to us by the great Economic thinker that was a Peanut farmer that's right Jimma Carta.

No double dip, we'll get a u or v shaped strong recovery.
You need to go back and study some history Topper. That double dip recession was brought to us by Richard Nixon. Jimmy Carter committed political suicide putting an end to double digit inflation of that period when he hired Volker for the fed.
 
This stinks.
Yup sure does. I know some good people who are struggling because of this. What it does mean is that those who do currently have jobs, the out looks is fairly bright. There's probably no lay offs or down sizing in their future. For those whom are unemployed though, it appears their struggles are not going to end soon. As you said, that stinks.
 
There will be a strong recovery in GDP, that does not preclude a weak job market. Productivity continues to rise. As previously staded good for those employed could be tough for the unemployed especially unskilled or banking employees.
 
You may be right about the first dip being under Nixon I was too young, I'll bet serious money that if Obama allows a double dip like Carter did he'll share the limited time and success in the WH with Carter.
 
The American economy is almost entirely dependent upon the world economy. The world economy is coming out of the recession and taking the first faltering steps back to what we might call normality (which, of course, is sometimes good and sometimes bad). India and China with 1/3 of the world's population between them are driving asian economies. Asian economies will drive the European and American economies.
Your home grown experts can affect the speed perhaps, but probably not the outcome unless, like bush, they just simply get it wrong.
I really would not be worrying about the American economy if I were you, save for the fact that it, like almost everything else, has become a partisan issue.
Obama is making good inroads with the Chinese in Beijing the results of which will be seen in due course. (No, RW loonies, you cannot have it now. You can have it when its ready. Go out to play and your Mother will call you). His relationships with European leaders will likely bear fruit in the fullness of time. Naturally Europe will be somewhat hesitant because you will have to prove that bush is long gone, dead and buried, but it'll happen if you let it.
 
The American economy is almost entirely dependent upon the world economy. The world economy is coming out of the recession and taking the first faltering steps back to what we might call normality (which, of course, is sometimes good and sometimes bad). India and China with 1/3 of the world's population between them are driving asian economies. Asian economies will drive the European and American economies.
Your home grown experts can affect the speed perhaps, but probably not the outcome unless, like bush, they just simply get it wrong.
I really would not be worrying about the American economy if I were you, save for the fact that it, like almost everything else, has become a partisan issue.
Obama is making good inroads with the Chinese in Beijing the results of which will be seen in due course. (No, RW loonies, you cannot have it now. You can have it when its ready. Go out to play and your Mother will call you). His relationships with European leaders will likely bear fruit in the fullness of time. Naturally Europe will be somewhat hesitant because you will have to prove that bush is long gone, dead and buried, but it'll happen if you let it.

what inroads? What results? What fruit? stop being a blithering dipshit.
 
I think it's more the other way around, the world economy is dependent on the US economy. China is way to heavy on exports, to whom (yes the US).
The US bankers (used car salesman with ties) screwd the pouch and the whole world got economically sick.
 
I think it's more the other way around, the world economy is dependent on the US economy. China is way to heavy on exports, to whom (yes the US).
The US bankers (used car salesman with ties) screwd the pouch and the whole world got economically sick.

Watch. I think you will find that China and America will become mutual beneficiaries but India will supply more weight to Asia giving it the 'advantage' (maybe disadvantage) that will be further boosted by Indo China, Indonesia etc. But you must get away from this idea that the US did this or that, that the US bankers screwed this or that. Most banks fell into the greed trap (granted the American sub prime fiasco dug the hole). The only bank of substance that I know of that did not get involved was the bank I am with and I assure you that was purely coincidence.
Blame is easy to spread, it lets us hide our own transgressions. Maturity leads us to see things in, perhaps, a less biased and partisan way.
Anyway, when the dust settles no one will care who led who or who did what to whom.
China, by the way, as a controlled economy, is not too heavy on exports or anything else. It has an objective. It will supply or not supply, raise the value of its currency or not according to its own requirements. It has no electorate to answer to, no elections to prepare for, no opposition political parties to derail its policies.
 
I'm with you but for me it's hard not to blame WS.
China I read just past the US as the largest car market, and India while way behind may start to gain momentum with tata ect. I know your a million times closer to it than me. What is China's middle class size and how fast is it growing. ie what income level puts them in middle class and would the auto market mean upper class level in China?
 
I'm with you but for me it's hard not to blame WS.
China I read just past the US as the largest car market, and India while way behind may start to gain momentum with tata ect. I know your a million times closer to it than me. What is China's middle class size and how fast is it growing. ie what income level puts them in middle class and would the auto market mean upper class level in China?

I'm not sure they have what you and I might understand by the term 'middle class'. Big cities have mega rich people and rural areas have their dirt poor. I think you have to have been going for quite a lot longer than modern China to have a true middle class. I guess its a bit like the gold rush days in your own country. Don't forget that the Chinese 'economic miracle' didnt get started until the early nineteen nineties. 1988 was when Deng Xiao Peng started to take the brakes off.
In HK an acceptable 'median' income for the 'employed' might be US$50-100k per annum. With investments and wheeling and dealing (almost everyone has at least one private company either trading or waiting for the opportunity to trade). Everyone I know, everyone, is playing the stock market and, obviously is extremely content with the way things are going at present.
Of course no one will tell you what they earn ... for tax (avoidance) reasons!!!
 
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