Reid's Healthcare Reform Bill

Much props to anyone who would like to read all 2,000 pages and give us a one page executive summary.
 
The CBO report is a rough estimate. It more than likely will be triple that amount
The current report shows that in the first ten years of application it will cost more than double what Reid is advertising. So, if it will "triple" we are fricking doomed if this passes.
 
So it will more than likely shave $390 billion off of the deficit over the 2009-2019 period. That's great news! Harry will be pleased to hear it.

As the CBO analysis indicates, the bill's real 10-year costs would start in 2014. And in its true first decade (2014 to 2023), the CBO projects the bill's costs to be $1.8 trillion -- double the price Reid is advertising.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinio...ed_books_loFmlm5OEIdYuzuJySXBaN#ixzz0XQ43beHU
 
Is anyone even bothering to read this bill? There's a lot of good stuff here.

Please highlight the area where COSTS are addressed. Because that is major complaint with health care right now. That the COSTS continue to sky rocket. Please highlight the area of this 2000 page bill that will reduce COSTS.

Thanks.
 
Please highlight the area where COSTS are addressed. Because that is major complaint with health care right now. That the COSTS continue to sky rocket. Please highlight the area of this 2000 page bill that will reduce COSTS.

Thanks.
Dude, have you even read the table of contents? There's all sorts of areas where their addressing cost. From administrative standardization, to preventative health care programs, to standardized health managment programs that provide reliable data about what works, to managing excess capacity, rating reforms, community choice options, drug price negotiation, health quality measures and reporting, integrated care, home health care for chromic conditions, Global payment systems, maternal/prenatal care, value based purchasing, physician quality/feedback reporting systems, value based payment modifiers for services, a national strategy, reporting standards with data quality standards and public reporting, new program development, standardization of payment schedules, health care quality improvement programs, disease prevention and public health programs and on and on.

You've just made up your mind with out knowing what the facts are or even trying to study this bill. How objective of you. [/sarcasm]
 
so costs don't matter, its just good stuff, right?
Don't put words in my mouth. Cost certainly matters and this bill specifically addresses a lot about cost and those things which impact cost. In fact, I'm surprized at how wide the scope on cost issues this bill addresses. It's far more comprehensive then I expected.
 
Don't put words in my mouth. Cost certainly matters and this bill specifically addresses a lot about cost and those things which impact cost. In fact, I'm surprized at how wide the scope on cost issues this bill addresses. It's far more comprehensive then I expected.
Please link to examples. Don't just orgasm, show us why.
 
Don't put words in my mouth. Cost certainly matters and this bill specifically addresses a lot about cost and those things which impact cost. In fact, I'm surprized at how wide the scope on cost issues this bill addresses. It's far more comprehensive then I expected.

LMAO...

I surprised by how gullible you are. You ramble off their list of 'COST' controls and pretend by saying the words it means anything. Even the CBO warned that the bill did not address the rising premiums. Pretending otherwise is simply naive.

I suppose you will continue to ignore the following....

http://business.theatlantic.com/2009/11/the_other_cbo_health_care_report.php
 
Key Considerations. These longer-term calculations assume that the provisions are
enacted and remain unchanged throughout the next two decades, which is often not the case for major legislation. For example, the sustainable growth rate (SGR) mechanism governing Medicare’s payments to physicians has frequently been modified (either through legislation or administrative action) to avoid reductions in those payments, and legislation to do so again is currently under consideration in the Congress.

The legislation would put into effect a number of procedures that might be difficult to
maintain over a long period of time. Although it would increase payment rates for
physicians’ services for 2010 relative to those in effect for 2009, those rates would be
reduced by about 23 percent for 2011 and then remain at current-law levels (that is, as
specified under the SGR) for subsequent years. At the same time, the legislation includes
a number of provisions that would constrain payment rates for other providers of
Medicare services. In particular, increases in payment rates for many providers would be
held below the rate of inflation (in expectation of ongoing productivity improvements in
the delivery of health care). The projected longer-term savings for the legislation also
assume that the Independent Medicare Advisory Board is fairly effective in reducing
costs—beyond the reductions that would be achieved by other aspects of the bill—to
meet the targets specified in the legislation.

Based on the extrapolation described above, CBO expects that Medicare spending under the bill would increase at an average annual rate of roughly 6 percent during the next two decades—well below the roughly 8 percent annual growth rate of the past two decades (excluding the effect of establishing the Medicare prescription drug benefit). Adjusting for inflation, Medicare spending per beneficiary under the bill would increase at an average annual rate of roughly 2 percent during the next two decades—much less than the roughly 4 percent annual growth rate of the past two decades. Whether such a
reduction in the growth rate could be achieved through greater efficiencies in the delivery of health care or would reduce access to care or diminish the quality of care is unclear.


The long-term budgetary impact could be quite different if key provisions of the bill were
ultimately changed or not fully implemented. If those changes arose from future
legislation, CBO would estimate their costs when that legislation was being considered
by the Congress.
 
LMAO...

I surprised by how gullible you are. You ramble off their list of 'COST' controls and pretend by saying the words it means anything. Even the CBO warned that the bill did not address the rising premiums. Pretending otherwise is simply naive.

I suppose you will continue to ignore the following....

http://business.theatlantic.com/2009/11/the_other_cbo_health_care_report.php
The only one ignoring anything is you. You're drawing all sorts of conclusions based on other peoples/groups opinions and analysis with out even attempting to read or understand the bill itself. So who's being gullible?

In fact I'm going to challege you to start reading the thing like I am. What you afraid of? That it might contradict the firm opinions you've based on third party information/propaganda? Quit being lazy.
 
See post #13.
So nothing specific then. I ask for explanation, you give me weak talking points. There was a reason that my later post asked the question it did.

How does each of those things supposedly address the cost of health care today? Tell us why you are having an orgasm, don't just scream real loud.
 
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