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This is about executions, not convictions.
They weren't executed.

Smarter Than You stated, "...REAL Americans wouldn't tolerate murder, rape, kidnapping, and the like, therefore we execute those that have committed those vile acts..." to which I was replying.

Obviously anyone who has been executed will not be exonerated. I've heard some States even forbid going through the evidence after the person has been executed. Strange, huh?
 
Smarter Than You stated, "...REAL Americans wouldn't tolerate murder, rape, kidnapping, and the like, therefore we execute those that have committed those vile acts..." to which I was replying.

Obviously anyone who has been executed will not be exonerated. I've heard some States even forbid going through the evidence after the person has been executed. Strange, huh?

And what about the States that haven't forbid going through the evidence??
 
And what about the States that haven't forbid going through the evidence??

Difficult to say. How many cases are or have been actively investigated? How many cases still have accessible evidence?

When we see people who have spent 20 or more years in prison for crimes they never committed it's not unreasonable to conclude there is a definite possibility some people have been wrongly executed.
 
you spout ignorance. I'm not a conservative, I'm a Libertarian. REAL Americans wouldn't tolerate murder, rape, kidnapping, and the like, therefore we execute those that have committed those vile acts so they won't do it again.......ever.

Life in prison without possibility of parole means they won't do it again, either.
 
Difficult to say. How many cases are or have been actively investigated? How many cases still have accessible evidence?

When we see people who have spent 20 or more years in prison for crimes they never committed it's not unreasonable to conclude there is a definite possibility some people have been wrongly executed.

It's easy to conclude, if that's what you want to conclude.
Why isn't anyone investigating these cases, in the States where it's not prohibited??
 
:D What percentage of them escopayed? And of that percentage, how many were never caught again?

I know, I know...I just had to throw that in there. But I could go by the same line of thinking....What percentage of the executed came back to life and killed someone else. My line of thinking would beat yours.
 
It's easy to conclude, if that's what you want to conclude.
Why isn't anyone investigating these cases, in the States where it's not prohibited??

I suppose if someone wished to clear a family member's name but other than that what would an individual gain? The State would put up all kinds of obstacles not to mention they have unlimited resources. Do you think officials would co-operate with someone trying to prove the State executed an innocent person?

Even those who wrongly spent decades in jail are not guaranteed any compensation and considering it's doubtful a new trial would be ordered considering the accused is dead who would get involved in such an undertaking?
 
I suppose if someone wished to clear a family member's name but other than that what would an individual gain? The State would put up all kinds of obstacles not to mention they have unlimited resources. Do you think officials would co-operate with someone trying to prove the State executed an innocent person?

Even those who wrongly spent decades in jail are not guaranteed any compensation and considering it's doubtful a new trial would be ordered considering the accused is dead who would get involved in such an undertaking?


Going for the FEELINGS again, I see.
Until you can come up with something substantial, it's just speculation on your part. That and a couple of dollars will get you a cup of coffee. :cof1:

I assume you have a list of those that weren't allowed any compensation?? :good4u:
 
Going for the FEELINGS again, I see.
Until you can come up with something substantial, it's just speculation on your part. That and a couple of dollars will get you a cup of coffee. :cof1:

I assume you have a list of those that weren't allowed any compensation?? :good4u:

Here's one. http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0530/p01s02-usju.htm

After 24 years in prison he didn't even get a bus ticket when he was released.

I'm sure you can google more if so inclined.

Only 21 states have compensation laws and we wonder why people turn to crime. Hmmmm.

BTW, California pays well. $100/day. Not sure if that's based on a five or seven day week but it is a tidy sum considering room and board on top of that.
 
Here's one. http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0530/p01s02-usju.htm

After 24 years in prison he didn't even get a bus ticket when he was released.

I'm sure you can google more if so inclined.

Only 21 states have compensation laws and we wonder why people turn to crime. Hmmmm.

BTW, California pays well. $100/day. Not sure if that's based on a five or seven day week but it is a tidy sum considering room and board on top of that.

Lack of compensatin is why people turn to crime?? So in States where there is compensation, there is no crime??
So in your world, everything has to be even or not at all; becasue it appears as if the percentages seem to lean more to being compensated?? :palm:
 
And what about people like this man?
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/25/nyregion/25award.html

Or this one? "Ronnie Taylor, a Houston man who was recently exonerated of a crime he didn’t commit was engaged to be married before his arrest in 1993. DNA testing proved his innocence 14 years later..."
http://mediastorm.org/blog/?p=309

Or these innocent people?

Dennis Brown from Louisiana was convicted of a 1984 rape and spent 19 years in prison before DNA testing confirmed that he could not have been the rapist.

Marvin Anderson became the ninety-ninth person in the US to be exonerated of a crime due to post-conviction DNA testing. Even when another individual confessed to the crime Lamont was accused of, the Judge upheld the conviction until DNA evidence finally confirmed Lamont’s innocence. He wasn’t exonerated until 1992, nearly 20 years after his arrest.

Orlando Boquete’s wrongful conviction of attempted sexual battery was vacated a staggering 24 years after his arrest back in 1982.

Robert Clark, wrongly convicted of rape, kidnapping and armed robbery in 1982, languished in prison primarily by mistaken eyewitness. Mistaken identity seems to be a common theme with the cases that later get overturned by post-conviction DNA evidence. Clark was finally vindicated 24 years later.

Luis Diaz was wrongly convicted in 1980 as the ‘Bird Road Rapist’, where 25 women were attacked, many of them sexually assaulted. Diaz was convicted for 8 of them. His case was overturned 25 years later in 2005.

I've always believed in a thoroughly vetted appeals process. It's why I have issue with the death penalty process in TX right now.
 
I know, I know...I just had to throw that in there. But I could go by the same line of thinking....What percentage of the executed came back to life and killed someone else. My line of thinking would beat yours.

The death penalty leads to more murders because sick, evil people who believe in the death penalty are more likely to murder.
 
Lack of compensatin is why people turn to crime?? So in States where there is compensation, there is no crime??
So in your world, everything has to be even or not at all; becasue it appears as if the percentages seem to lean more to being compensated?? :palm:

To unjustly imprison a person and then simply dump them on the street after the injustice has been discovered is injustice of the most grievous kind. I'm willing to bet if there was a law stating prosecutors and anyone connected with the prosecution, from witnesses to lab personnel, who lied were libel to serve the same amount of time in prison as the unjustly incarcerated it would be a very different ball game.
 
To unjustly imprison a person and then simply dump them on the street after the injustice has been discovered is injustice of the most grievous kind. I'm willing to bet if there was a law stating prosecutors and anyone connected with the prosecution, from witnesses to lab personnel, who lied were libel to serve the same amount of time in prison as the unjustly incarcerated it would be a very different ball game.

that will never happen as long as lawyers become lawmakers become judges.
 
To unjustly imprison a person and then simply dump them on the street after the injustice has been discovered is injustice of the most grievous kind. I'm willing to bet if there was a law stating prosecutors and anyone connected with the prosecution, from witnesses to lab personnel, who lied were libel to serve the same amount of time in prison as the unjustly incarcerated it would be a very different ball game.

I have no problem with that.
I've proposed for a long time, that if it can be proven that a witness, Policeman, Attorney, or Judge knowingly withhold evience that could have resulted in the person being found not guilty, then they should receive the same sentence that the person got; each and everyone of them.
If the result in the person being executed, then they suffer the same fate.

The key word here, is PROVE though; not SUPPOSE or BELIEVE.
 
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