Will Osama Bin laden be Read his Miranda Rights

Yurt said:
i believe the tapes in question are those propaganda tapes, not taped confessions while in the custody of the US
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It was the taped confessions I referred to, I submit still tainted by bush torture policy.
I wasn't aware the defendents had produced propaganda tapes.
 
Graham is just blowing the neocon foghorn, looking for votes.

The US already has a record of capturing terrorist at home and abroad, prosecuting them and sentencing them to extensive jail terms.

A matter of fact, a matter of history.

The real issue here is whether the bogus legacy of the Shrub & company can withstand (yet another) fresh air and sunlit examination of their policies and actions....and the results they have given.

Neocons are about getting Obama to fail...period. They don't give a damn about justice or American security per se, they are about the PNAC agenda and the illusion of perfection.
 
belme1201 said:
Your frequent references to various persons regarding male organs and your added homophobia suggest you may have a suppressed problem and need help.
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No problem here. I suggest that you seek help with your frequent Bush/ Cheney references, as they are no longer in power.
 
Southern Man said:
No problem here. I suggest that you seek help with your frequent Bush/ Cheney references, as they are no longer in power.
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....We are living today in the throes of the economic/diplomatic/wartime mess bush/Cheney bequeathed to the nation on January 20, 2009, less than a year ago. History will never forget their legacy. I merely reflect the history that so many bush/Cheney sycophants would like to forget or ignore. I do not blame you, I would also want to forget them, try to ignore history, and shift blame if I was in your shoes.
 
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NigelTufnel said:
My post about the video-taped admission was about OBL who is not in custody. Anything he says on any videotapes is admissible. You're wrong.

On KSM you may have a point, but again, we should have all sorts of evidence of his guilt such that we don't need a confession from him to secure a conviction. If we don't have an abundance of evidence of his guilt to support a conviction, why in the hell did we waterboard him 183 times in a single month?
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Ah, I see what you are talking about, however I'm speaking of the guys currently in custody and asked questions about them. You quoted that particular post, I figured you were talking about the same subject.
 
Southern Man said:
No problem here. I suggest that you seek help with your frequent Bush/ Cheney references, as they are no longer in power.
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HaHa, Classic!

I suppose you, nor any other teabagger on this board has ever mentioned the alleged evils of Franklin Roosevelt that supposedly still dog us 80 years later, but you beg us to stop reminding you of your two votes for the dim witted Dumbya who left office 9 months ago!


HaHaHa
 
belme1201 said:
....We are living today in the throes of the economic/diplomatic/wartime mess bush/Cheney bequeathed to the nation on January 20, 2009, less than a year ago. History will never forget their legacy. I merely reflect the history that so many bush/Cheney sycophants would like to forget or ignore. I do not blame you, I would also want to forget them, try to ignore history, and shift blame if I was in your shoes.
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Except, of course, that their "mess" is merely the summation of far-left opinion, then used as a convenient excuse to derail any debate or conversation not going your way. :)
 
Cypress said:
HaHa, Classic!

I suppose you, nor any other teabagger on this board has ever mentioned the alleged evils of Franklin Roosevelt that supposedly still dog us 80 years later, but you beg us to stop reminding you of your two votes for the dim witted Dumbya who left office 9 months ago!


HaHaHa
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Except, of course, that the Constitutional usurpation by FDR is well documented fact.
 
NigelTufnel said:
Listen guy, I was trying to be polite by leaving it as we'll agree to disagree. The fact of the matter is that notwithstanding your purported legal education, you haven't the foggiest idea what you are talking about. The Thomas opinion in Martinez makes clear that your unsupported assertion that interrogation without first providing the Miranda warnings is a Constitutional violation is just plain wrong. The Constitutional violation can only occur at any subsequent trial because the 5th Amendment protects again self-incrimination, not against police interrogation. Use your fucking head.

I'll quote the opinion again in the hopes that you have learned to read then English language since I last posted it:



And I'd note further that the only case I have seen you cite to is the Edwards case, which doesn't deal with the question of whether interrogation without Miranda warnings is unconstitutional. You haven't pointed any SCOTUS decision post-dating Martinez.

You may be a lawyer, but it looks like you got shafted at law school.
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you call saying my position is ridiculous polite? you're full of shit and you're absolutely wrong on your martinez view. no one supports your view of martinez except you. its your choice to ignore what i've said, what later courts have said, and what other law articles have said. you want to ridicule my professional abilities while cowardly hiding yours.

i gave you a case currently before the scotus that was talked about in a law article, that case clearly stated that edwards prohibition on interrogation is still valid. edwards and later cases make clear that the bright line rule to enforce your right against self incrimination is why police interrogation is prohibited once you request it to stop or you request counsel. the facts of martinez only apply in a similar situation, where the UNintentional miranda violation was not outrageous and where the information gleaned was never used as defendant was never charged or tried. the court in martinez clearly said that if a miranda violation was outrageous, then he would have a claim under secion 1983. the court further remanded the case to see if he had any other constitutional claims.

you can insult my professional abilities and my law degree all you want, but it doesn't make you right. it makes you a sniveling whiner who can't produce any other authority other than your ignorant opinion, that supports your stance.
 
Southern Man said:
Except, of course, that their "mess" is merely the summation of far-left opinion, then used as a convenient excuse to derail any debate or conversation not going your way. :)
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9/18/2008-bush appointee Secretary of the Treasury Paulson announces a fiscal crisis is upon the country and requests $800 biillion in emergency funds to bail out failing banks and AIG. A fiscal mess, fact or fiction?
Iraq and Afghanistan examples of poorly run wars left to succeeding administrations to fix? Fact or fiction?
The world on bush's watch hated us, a diplomatic failure. Fact or fiction?
My friend, you live in a fantasy world if you believe those are "summations of Far-Left opinion".
I repeat,with double the emphasis, my previous post, for you have proven my point regarding sycophantic sublimation of facts to cover what must be shame or disappointment.
 
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belme1201 said:
9/18/2008-bush appointee Secretary of the Treasury Paulson announces a fiscal crisis is upon the country and requests $800 biillion in emergency funds to bail out failing banks and AIG. A fiscal mess, fact or fiction?
Iraq and Afghanistan examples of poorly run wars left to succeeding administrations to fix? Fact or fiction?
The world on bush's watch hated us, a diplomatic failure. Fact or fiction?
My friend, you live in a fantasy world if you believe those are "summations of Far-Left opinion".
I repeat,with double the emphasis, my previous post, for you have proven my point regarding sycophantic sublimation of facts to cover what must be shame or disappointment.
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Fact: the fiscal crisis was due to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and Democrat policies of forcing them to buy up bad loans.
Fact: The Iraq War was run very well, and the tactics used to subdue the enemy, capture Saddam and rebuild the country will be taught in military schools.
Fact: the world on Bush's watch respected us; today, under Obama, not so much.
 
Southern Man said:
Fact: the fiscal crisis was due to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and Democrat policies of forcing them to buy up bad loans.
Fact: The Iraq War was run very well, and the tactics used to subdue the enemy, capture Saddam and rebuild the country will be taught in military schools.
Fact: the world on Bush's watch respected us; today, under Obama, not so much.
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Those may meet the factual criteria for "facts" on other planets, but here on earth, they certainly do not meet the threshold.
 
Southern Man said:
Fact: the fiscal crisis was due to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and Democrat policies of forcing them to buy up bad loans.
- this was ONE factor in the fiscal crisis; it hopelessly oversimplifies the dynamics of what happened though, and is reserved only for extreme partisans.
Fact: The Iraq War was run very well, and the tactics used to subdue the enemy, capture Saddam and rebuild the country will be taught in military schools.
- disbanding the Iraqi army was one of the worst decisions in modern military history. It was just one of many blunders in strategy. The statement above is preposterous.
Fact: the world on Bush's watch respected us; today, under Obama, not so much.
- surveys show exactly the opposite.
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There.
 
Onceler said:
Surveys, polls, whatever. All show the world having a higher opinion of America now.

What is your backup?
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I point to the loss of confidence in the dollar, as well as Obama's recent embarrassing Asia trip. The fact is, I don't care if the rest of the world likes us or not; what I'm concerned about is respect.
 
Southern Man said:
I point to the loss of confidence in the dollar, as well as Obama's recent embarrassing Asia trip. The fact is, I don't care if the rest of the world likes us or not; what I'm concerned about is respect.
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So, you have nothing to support your alleged "fact."

Cool; thanks.
 
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