School's transgender policy trumped teacher's religious rights, US court rules

Flash said:
Agreed, although I don't really think you can force a belief system on anyone.
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You cannot force people to believe, (not since the Crusades) but you can force people to comply with your flawed belief system via aggressive legislation.

Healthcare providers are free to deny service to anyone they deem not worthy due to personal religious beliefs.

That's dangerous
 
AProudLefty said:
April 7 (Reuters) - An Indiana high school did not break the law by allegedly forcing a music teacher to quit after he refused on religious grounds to use transgender students' preferred names, a U.S. appeals court ruled on Friday.

The rights of the teacher, John Kluge, to exercise his religious beliefs were outweighed by the potential disruption that his conduct could have on the learning environment at Brownsburg High School in the Indianapolis suburbs, the Chicago-based 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals said.[


Kluge said his Christian religious beliefs barred him from complying with a school policy requiring faculty to use students' preferred names and pronouns.

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Federal law only requires employers to accommodate workers' religious beliefs if it would not cause them an undue hardship.


https://www.reuters.com/legal/schools-transgender-policy-trumped-teachers-religious-rights-us-court-rules-2023-04-07/

How hard is it to call them by their names? There is nothing in the Bible about it. What does he think will happen if he calls them by their names? Lightning strike?
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We can only hope. lol

What would he do if our language didn't have personal pronouns based on gender? Why is this bullshit such a big deal to the bigots?
 
AProudLefty said:
I don't believe a man can be a woman, dumbass. It's impossible.
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So I'll assume you have a working brain and ask what is the "disruption" in the learning environment that's would occur if the teacher exercised his religious beliefs?
 
Flash said:
Freedom of religion is not limited to specific religious doctrine. It can be anything the person (sincerely) believes.
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So if a teacher sincerely believes that having a black student in his class violates his religious beliefs, he doesn't have to prove HOW, he can just claim that? Same with a gay student?
 
Flash said:
Agreed, although I don't really think you can force a belief system on anyone.
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Not for lack of trying, of course. School prayer, teaching "creationism" in public school biology classes, etc. have all been bones of contention and efforts to force Christian beliefs on students.
 
Althea said:
You cannot force people to believe, (not since the Crusades) but you can force people to comply with your flawed belief system via aggressive legislation.

Healthcare providers are free to deny service to anyone they deem not worthy due to personal religious beliefs.

That's dangerous
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Where is this? In nursing school we were admonished to keep our personal beliefs to ourselves and to treat each patient to the best of our ability, no matter what *their* beliefs were. In fact, failure to do so could result in discipline by the state board of nursing.
 
Yakuda said:
So I'll assume you have a working brain and ask what is the "disruption" in the learning environment that's would occur if the teacher exercised his religious beliefs?
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"Hey Mr. Asshole, yes you, what is the Pythagorean Theorem?"
 
Yakuda said:
So you don't know what "disruption" would occur in the learning environment if the teacher exercised his religious beliefs. Why didnt you just say that?
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It's pretty quite simple.

A transgender boy has been using and called "Paul" for almost his life. A teacher calls him "Paula", which causes confusion since nobody knows who "Paula" is.

Did that get through your thick skull or do I need nail of Jesus?
 
AProudLefty said:
It's pretty quite simple.

A transgender boy has been using and called "Paul" for almost his life. A teacher calls him "Paula", which causes confusion since nobody knows who "Paula" is.

Did that get through your thick skull or do I need nail of Jesus?
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So in other it's about someone's feelings. That's what I said a long time ago. Sounds like Paula has been confused for a long time but still not as long as you .
 
Yakuda said:
So in other it's about someone's feelings. That's what I said a long time ago. Sounds like Paula has been confused for a long time but still not as long as you .
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It is not about feeling, dumbass. It's about addressing people by their proper names.

Matthew, for example, has different shortened names. Matty and Matt for two. Do you call that person "Matthew" because fuck his feeling and fuck your classroom's feeling?
 
Jesus, how difficult is it to call someone by the name they want? It’s nothing more than common courtesy.
 
AProudLefty said:
He has to prove undue hardship. Since there is ZERO reference to calling someone's by their preferred name being a sin in the Bible, he has no case at all.

It's a case of bigotry.
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Your religious beliefs do not have to be from the Bible or any religious text. You can be the only person in the world with such beliefs.

A person can be exempted from school activities contrary to their religious beliefs (pledge) but not something that is part of the curriculum (evolution).

Exempting a person from secular laws for religious reasons is based on a test of whether there would be any harm if the person is exempted.
 
This seems like someone hiding behind Christianity for an agenda of hate.

Everyone practices religion in their own way. But respecting & tolerating the rights and freedoms of others and accepting each individual as they are seems to be a base tenet of Christianity. This teacher's objections make no sense to me.
 
Flash said:
Your religious beliefs do not have to be from the Bible or any religious text. You can be the only person in the world with such beliefs.

A person can be exempted from school activities contrary to their religious beliefs (pledge) but not something that is part of the curriculum (evolution).

Exempting a person from secular laws for religious reasons is based on a test of whether there would be any harm if the person is exempted.
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There is no harm, therefore he has no case.
 
AProudLefty said:
It is not about feeling, dumbass. It's about addressing people by their proper names.

Matthew, for example, has different shortened names. Matty and Matt for two. Do you call that person "Matthew" because fuck his feeling and fuck your classroom's feeling?
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So it IS about feelings. You dont read your own threads do you? I knew it would be a toss at best to assume you have a working brain.
 
Althea said:
You cannot force people to believe, (not since the Crusades) but you can force people to comply with your flawed belief system via aggressive legislation.

Healthcare providers are free to deny service to anyone they deem not worthy due to personal religious beliefs.

That's dangerous
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I think the healthcare thing is based on whether there is another person available to give care.

Some laws, like prohibiting abortion, are not necessarily based on religious beliefs. I can favor or oppose abortion completely separate from religion. I have seen some posters claim anti-abortion laws are forcing religion on others, but it is a secular law not necessarily related to religion. Atheists have opinions on abortion.
 
Yakuda said:
So it IS about feelings. You dont read your own threads do you? I knew it would be a toss at best to assume you have a working brain.
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Why do you keep talking about feelings? Didn't your parents teach you about politeness and social customs?

"Hi my name is Pete."
"I am going to call you Prick Peter cause fuck your feelings, that's why."
 
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