D day June 1 2023?

if the demmycrats want a clean debt limit bill with no cuts why not just pass a debt limit increase that covers all spending passed up to yesterday?......
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Which part of the Republicans want the ceiling raised but spending cut, versus the Democrats want the ceiling raised and room to spend more don't you get?
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You should know the problem with telling people to put 10 pounds in 5 pound sack, Terry.

I get the Republicans have been preaching spending cuts and Voodoo economics for 30 years. What has it gotten us? More debt and poorer Americans.
 
Doc Dutch said:
You should know the problem with telling people to put 10 pounds in 5 pound sack, Terry.

I get the Republicans have been preaching spending cuts and Voodoo economics for 30 years. What has it gotten us? More debt and poorer Americans.
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Irrelevant red herring to the issue at hand.
 
Doc Dutch said:
Bullshit, Terry, and you know it. Run, Chief, run, but you know the difference between cutting fat and cutting meat and bone....or at least you did back in the day.
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There are plenty of federal programs that are total bullshit and could be cut. You know it, too.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
There are plenty of federal programs that are total bullshit and could be cut. You know it, too.
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List five, the reasons why you think they should be cut and how much money We, the People, would save....if you can.

If you can't, I understand.
 
Doc Dutch said:
List five, the reasons why you think they should be cut and how much money We, the People, would save....if you can.

If you can't, I understand.
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Five reasons why we should cut federal spending?

1. Many programs are redundant or duplications and unnecessary.

2. Much of the federal budget is mandated spending that cannot be cut. That should change immediately. No program should be off the table.

3. Eliminate mission creep in federal agencies. That is, pare back what agencies do to their core functions.

4. Reduce the volume of regulations and bureaucratic workload.

5. Eliminate government programs that are essentially 'give aways.'

My personal favorite is for a President to do this:

Sign an executive order that requires every agency of the federal government to produce an exact word, page, count of their current regulations in the federal register within so many days or have 10% of their budget withheld until they do. That means that becomes every agency's top priority until it's done.

Once you have those counts in hand and know they're accurate, you then by executive order require EVERY agency to remove by word and page count 10% of what they have in the federal register within one calendar year or that agency will lose an equivalent amount of its budget until that target is reached. Nothing in this order precludes or prevents new regulations or enforcement of current ones, only that the total word and page count be 10% less than it currently is.

What this means is that every agency will have to find any obsolete, redundant, or verbose regulations and remove or rewrite them to meet the target. Do this four-years running and you get a one third reduction in the number of pages of regulations in the federal register. This means that for everybody having to meet those regulations and for those administering them the process is simplified and costs less. The other benefit is you can now fire those government employees who were administering now gone regulations along with some others who are no longer needed with the simplified remaining regulations.
 
Doc Dutch said:
No. You said many there are plenty of federal programs that could be cut and I asked you to list five.
Thanks for the effort though. :)
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Okay...

Washington DC metro system. The city should fund this, not the feds.

National Endowment for the Arts no reason the feds need to pay "artists" to put a flag in a toilet...

The whole of the Department of Education. Not a federal function

The whole of the Department of Housing and Urban Development. Not a federal function

The whole of the Department of Health and Human Services. Not a federal function

Roll Homeland security into other departments like justice and defense and eliminate the separate agency.

That's a start.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Okay...

Washington DC metro system. The city should fund this, not the feds.

National Endowment for the Arts no reason the feds need to pay "artists" to put a flag in a toilet...

The whole of the Department of Education. Not a federal function

The whole of the Department of Housing and Urban Development. Not a federal function

The whole of the Department of Health and Human Services. Not a federal function

Roll Homeland security into other departments like justice and defense and eliminate the separate agency.

That's a start.
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Nice. Hamstringing the United States of America in competing in an increasingly modern world, not to mention a hostile one.

Why even have a Federal government? Why not just 50 little countries? That way, even Mexico could take us...one by one, of course. LOL
 
Doc Dutch said:
Nice. Hamstringing the United States of America in competing in an increasingly modern world, not to mention a hostile one.

Why even have a Federal government? Why not just 50 little countries? That way, even Mexico could take us...one by one, of course. LOL
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Really? Not one thing I listed has measurably improved the US. Not one.

For example, there has been a steady decline in the quality of outcomes in education ever since the department of education was created.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Really? Not one thing I listed has measurably improved the US. Not one.

For example, there has been a steady decline in the quality of outcomes in education ever since the department of education was created.
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The fact you don't believe education and a healthy American population are in the nation's best interests is interesting to me for psychological and sociological reasons. Otherwise, it's just nonsense.

Example; the 50 states are free to coordinate with the Federal government on testing standards, interstate relations and costs for teaching materials.

You want to forget the meaning of "there is strength in unity" for fanciful political reasons. IMO, it's because, like most Trumpers here, you are falling into elderly paranoia and fearmongering.
 
Doc Dutch said:
The fact you don't believe education and a healthy American population are in the nation's best interests is interesting to me for psychological and sociological reasons. Otherwise, it's just nonsense.

Example; the 50 states are free to coordinate with the Federal government on testing standards, interstate relations and costs for teaching materials.

You want to forget the meaning of "there is strength in unity" for fanciful political reasons. IMO, it's because, like most Trumpers here, you are falling into elderly paranoia and fearmongering.
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Education and health are important issues for the US. They aren't things the federal government needs to be involved in. Schools can be funded entirely at the state and local level, especially when you consider that the federal funding would end and that tax money returned to the states before collection. Why does there need to be a one-size-fits-all education testing program nationwide? It isn't necessary. Let each state decide for themselves.

Health is the same way.

I'd rather have 50 states doing what they think is best for them in both categories than the federal government forcing 'one-size-fits-all' programs down their throats.
 
Doc Dutch said:
Thanks for admitting they raised the national debt. Did they bitch, whine and moan like Bud Light drinkers about raising the debt ceiling too?
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hell yes they did.......it wasn't Republican spending that caused the debt limit to be raised.....as I recall it was a constant fight and they only kicked the can a year down the road at a time because of it......perhaps you thought no one remembered that.......
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Education and health are important issues for the US. They aren't things the federal government needs to be involved in. Schools can be funded entirely at the state and local level, especially when you consider that the federal funding would end and that tax money returned to the states before collection. Why does there need to be a one-size-fits-all education testing program nationwide? It isn't necessary. Let each state decide for themselves.

Health is the same way.

I'd rather have 50 states doing what they think is best for them in both categories than the federal government forcing 'one-size-fits-all' programs down their throats.
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Dude, schools are 92% funded locally now. How's that working out for the US? Why is the US falling behind the rest of the world in terms of education?

If you want to just follow the Republican lemming herd, that's your choice, but I'm a believer that those who keep repeating the same mistakes over and over again expecting different results are insane.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
hell yes they did.......it wasn't Republican spending that caused the debt limit to be raised.....as I recall it was a constant fight and they only kicked the can a year down the road at a time because of it......perhaps you thought no one remembered that.......
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You already proved you don't know shit about history, Pmp. What happened when in 2017 and 2018 when there was both a Republican President and a Republican Congress? Will you blame the Democrats? :rofl2:
 
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