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[Bigdog]

Good thing I mentioned Dune then .



I think the state and everyone else should acknowledge there are differences between biological men and women and trans men and women. But I don't think that means we can't call trans men men and trans women women. Just that there should be an asterisk in there. It's like yes, a young woman and an old woman are both women, but everyone knows that an old woman can't have kids. Same idea.

I don't mean to appear rude, Phoenyx, but can you answer the question with just a yes or no. Thank you.

Should the State force other citizens to Think a bio man is a woman ... just because He Thinks he is a woman?

 

[Celticguy]

I believe you're right that -some- do. Clearly, not all of them do. There's a documentary you may have heard of or seen called "What is a Woman?" presented by Matt Walsh, where he interviews a transgender woman who makes it clear she does -not- consider herself to be the same as a biological woman. I certainly don't know how many transgender men and women feel that there are some clear differences, but regardless, I think you, me and J.K. Rowling agree that there are.

I saw a video where Matt was chatting with several trans people. In that one the trans people (I believe all were "identifying" as women) were trying to make the point that they could be women because they felt like they were and that overruled biology. Matt was arguing that biology was the only criteria. Obviously they disagreed though the trans people had nothing to back up their viewpoint.

Here is where I have a bit of an issue. I'm ok with transgender women being called women, but with the understanding that they are a type of women that can't reproduce, for instance, and also have some other differences, which can generally make them better at sports, for instance.

You are, of course, entitled to your opinion. I disagree on the basis of biology being the determinant as opposed to behavior.

I think describing trans people as "pretending to be the other sex" isn't quite right. While it's true that I only currently know of one transgender person (the transgender woman in Matt Walsh's documentary) that made it crystal clear that she did not consider herself to be the same as biological women, I strongly suspect that she's not the only transgender person who feels this way.

As previously noted biology > behavior.

Speaking as someone who used to ride a scooter, I can certainly attest to the fact that they're more dangerous. Luckily, I never experienced any harm myself, but there was one time that was close. I rode a scooter because it was bought for me as a present from my family. I would have preferred a car, but cars were essentially outside the budget, so that was that. My father had no car at the time and hasn't owned a car since either.

Glad it was not an issue for you. They are fun. I've ridden before and loved it but never bought one.

I think the issue of where transgender people go to the washroom is simllar. With enough money, I'm sure they could make it so that they have their own washrooms or what not, but I think most don't have this option.

I am not inclined to force entities spend money. If they want to, its their choice.

That works . I think it's things like this that will bridge the gap with these types of things.

The schools are required to have clinics primarily to administer prescription medicines as well as manage concussion protocols. That does not translate into commercial settings.

The issue of mental illness is a rather touchy one. To this day, some people believe that homosexuality is a "mental illness". It's not something I agree with. In regards to drugs and surgery, I certainly agree that these things should probably not be allowed for minors, but I think that 18 might be old enough.

It is not a question for trans. Its just a question of who is mentally ill. MANY minors fall into this because a parent (typically the mother) has Munchausen by Proxy and brainwash their young children into it. If you look into it there was no specific reason explaining the APA change regarding homosexuality. There was, however, a backlash from patients when they discovered the diagnosis when they started having medical issues when AIDS started presenting way back when. People were quitting therapy. Coincidence or cause ? You can judge for yourself.

 

[Scott]

The crux of the issue is this ...

Should the State force other citizens to Think a bio man is a woman ... just because He Thinks he is a woman?

I think the state and everyone else should acknowledge there are differences between biological men and women and trans men and women. But I don't think that means we can't call trans men men and trans women women. Just that there should be an asterisk in there. It's like yes, a young woman and an old woman are both women, but everyone knows that an old woman can't have kids. Same idea.

I don't mean to appear rude, Phoenyx, but can you answer the question with just a yes or no. Thank you.

Should the State force other citizens to Think a bio man is a woman ... just because He Thinks he is a woman?

I think your question shares some traits to an old lawyer question. A prosecutor asks a defendant, "Have you stopped beating your wife? Yes or no, please." If the defendant says "Yes", it implies he was beating her before, and if the defendant says "No", it implies he's still beating her. There is no room in a "Yes" or "No" response to say something like "I never beat her to begin with!"

In this case, there is no room in your desired "Yes" or "No" answer to point out that trans men could be called men and trans women could be called women while still acknowledging that they are -not- the same as biological men and women.

 

[Scott]

I believe you're right that -some- do. Clearly, not all of them do. There's a documentary you may have heard of or seen called "What is a Woman?" presented by Matt Walsh, where he interviews a transgender woman who makes it clear she does -not- consider herself to be the same as a biological woman. I certainly don't know how many transgender men and women feel that there are some clear differences, but regardless, I think you, me and J.K. Rowling agree that there are.

I saw a video where Matt was chatting with several trans people. In that one the trans people (I believe all were "identifying" as women) were trying to make the point that they could be women because they felt like they were and that overruled biology. Matt was arguing that biology was the only criteria. Obviously they disagreed though the trans people had nothing to back up their viewpoint.

As I've mentioned with Bigdog, I think there's a middle ground, which is that transmen and transwomen can be men and women respectively -gender- wise, but not biologically.

Here is where I have a bit of an issue. I'm ok with transgender women being called women, but with the understanding that they are a type of women that can't reproduce, for instance, and also have some other differences, which can generally make them better at sports, for instance.

You are, of course, entitled to your opinion. I disagree on the basis of biology being the determinant as opposed to behavior.

Biology certainly is the determinant when it comes to -biological- men and women. Gender identity, on the other hand, is generally being defined as not something that can be different then one's biological sex now.

I think describing trans people as "pretending to be the other sex" isn't quite right. While it's true that I only currently know of one transgender person (the transgender woman in Matt Walsh's documentary) that made it crystal clear that she did not consider herself to be the same as biological women, I strongly suspect that she's not the only transgender person who feels this way.

As previously noted biology > behavior.

I think the fact that we have 2 words that are generally now describing different things means that there is no need for some type of competition between biology and behaviour. One can be biologically male, yet have a gender identity of a female, or vice versa.

I think the issue of where transgender people go to the washroom is simllar. With enough money, I'm sure they could make it so that they have their own washrooms or what not, but I think most don't have this option.

I am not inclined to force entities spend money. If they want to, its their choice.

This is in the realm of politics. Some jurisdictions decide to spend the money, others don't. I've seen some gender neutral washrooms in Canada. Another thing, a washroom doesn't have to be labelled gender neutral to actually be gender neutral- the washroom in your wife's clinic is a good example.

That works . I think it's things like this that will bridge the gap with these types of things.

The schools are required to have clinics primarily to administer prescription medicines as well as manage concussion protocols. That does not translate into commercial settings.

Commercial settings will do what they do. Ultimately, however, I suspect that having gender neutral washrooms here and there would greatly alleviate this entire issue.

The issue of mental illness is a rather touchy one. To this day, some people believe that homosexuality is a "mental illness". It's not something I agree with. In regards to drugs and surgery, I certainly agree that these things should probably not be allowed for minors, but I think that 18 might be old enough.

It is not a question for trans. Its just a question of who is mentally ill. MANY minors fall into this because a parent (typically the mother) has Munchausen by Proxy and brainwash their young children into it. If you look into it there was no specific reason explaining the APA change regarding homosexuality. There was, however, a backlash from patients when they discovered the diagnosis when they started having medical issues when AIDS started presenting way back when. People were quitting therapy. Coincidence or cause ? You can judge for yourself.

I'm not sure what you're saying here. Are you drawing a connection between mental illness and AIDS? In any case, I no longer believe that biological viruses exist, which would mean I don't believe the HIV virus exists. That doesn't mean I don't believe in AIDS, just that I don't believe it's caused by a virus. If you're ever interested in a discussion on whether or not viruses exist, I've been debating that over here for a few months now:

Settling the Biological Virus Debate | justplainpolitics.com

 

[dukkha]

The uproarious applause that greeted her in 2008 is hard to imagine today. It’s hard to imagine Harvard—let alone any prestigious American university—welcoming Rowling. Indeed, I’m not sure she’d be allowed to give a reading at many local libraries.

Rowling hasnt changed. her story of writing the books hasn' t changed
The crazy people have emerged at "Harvard and the Universities" instead have changed upside to down

That’s because to many, Rowling has since become a kind of Voldemort—the villain of villains in her own stories.

every victimology claiming oppression has to have a villain. The lucky ones get reparations

 

[dukkha]

The head of the biggest Potter fansite in the world said she was “heartbroken” and shared a guide on “cancelling” Rowling, while others accused the author of “destroying her legacy.”

Im heartbroken, so you get cancelled.

 

[Bigdog]

I think your question shares some traits to an old lawyer question. A prosecutor asks a defendant, "Have you stopped beating your wife? Yes or no, please." If the defendant says "Yes", it implies he was beating her before, and if the defendant says "No", it implies he's still beating her. There is no room in a "Yes" or "No" response to say something like "I never beat her to begin with!"

In this case, there is no room in your desired "Yes" or "No" answer to point out that trans men could be called men and trans women could be called women while still acknowledging that they are -not- the same as biological men and women.

It IS a fair question, unlike "How often do you beat your wife?".

In 2022, on its 50th anniv., Biden modified Title IX to force girls and young women to Think a bio man is a woman.

The LAW forced Girls in the pool and locker room to Think that the fully intact man, swimmer Lia (Will) Thomas is a woman.

Do you agree or disagree with this real life example of the Federal gov't forcing citizens to Think a bio man is a woman ... just because He thinks he is a woman?

 

[Scott]

Rowling hasnt changed. her story of writing the books hasn' t changed. The crazy people have emerged at "Harvard and the Universities" instead have changed upside to down

I think it's more that a lot of people lack the ability to discern nuance on emotional issues. Rowling chose to point out certain nuances and it simply went above the heads of a lot of people who support transgender people.

every victimology claiming oppression has to have a villain. The lucky ones get reparations

That's getting into a lot of issues.

 

[Scott]

**
The head of the biggest Potter fansite in the world said she was “heartbroken” [twitter link in original] and shared a guide on “cancelling” Rowling, while others accused the author of “destroying her legacy.”
**
Source:
The Witch Trials of J.K. Rowling | thefp.com

Im heartbroken, so you get cancelled.

I can certainly agree that just because someone claims they are heatbroken doesn't mean the person who allegedly broke their heart should be cancelled.

 

[Scott]

I think your question shares some traits to an old lawyer question. A prosecutor asks a defendant, "Have you stopped beating your wife? Yes or no, please." If the defendant says "Yes", it implies he was beating her before, and if the defendant says "No", it implies he's still beating her. There is no room in a "Yes" or "No" response to say something like "I never beat her to begin with!"

In this case, there is no room in your desired "Yes" or "No" answer to point out that trans men could be called men and trans women could be called women while still acknowledging that they are -not- the same as biological men and women.

It IS a fair question, unlike "How often do you beat your wife?".

Your modified question is actually not as bad, as it doesn't specify that you have to answer yes or no. You could simply say "I don't beat my wife."

In 2022, on its 50th anniv., Biden modified Title IX to force girls and young women to Think a bio man is a woman.

The LAW forced Girls in the pool and locker room to Think that the fully intact man, swimmer Lia (Will) Thomas is a woman.

Do you agree or disagree with this real life example of the Federal gov't forcing citizens to Think a bio man is a woman ... just because He thinks he is a woman?

I looked into what you're talking about and I think this is precisely what J.K. Rowling was getting at.

Lia Thomas is -not- a biological female, and that makes a difference in sports. For those who don't know the story, here's an article covering it:

Riley Gaines never considered herself a feminist. Then she raced Lia Thomas | foxnews.com

Similarly, I think we can all agree here that transgender females shouldn't be given a pass to commit crimes just because they're transgender. The following story shows how that can lead to abuse:

**
The case involved a then-14-year-old skirt-wearing boy who attacked a 15-year-old girl in a school bathroom in May — but was allowed to transfer to a neighboring school, where he struck again.

It made national headlines when Scott Smith, the father of the first victim, was wrestled to the ground and arrested while trying to raise his concerns at a school board meeting — a bust that was then used to suggest that parents were acting like domestic terrorists.
**

Source:
Loudoun County schools’ chief of staff axed over sex-attack scandal: reports | New York Post

Eventually, the problem was dealt with by a judge:
**
His daughter’s attacker was last week put on the sex offender registry for the rest of his life by a judge who said the boy’s psychosexual evaluations “scared me for society.”
**

Perhaps the punishment was too harsh- I think it's possible that the boy could be reformed. But I certainly believe that -something- had to be done other than just transferring him to another school. It would have been better if it'd been done the first time.

 

[Geeko Sportivo]

I vote on issues that are important to me and my family.

I do not know any transvestites. I do not know of any transgendered children. I have seen maybe one or two transgendered adults out in public, my whole life. I wasn't even sure about them, but they looked a little too masculine to be women in my opinion. But, one never knows, it is no concern of mine anyway, and I really don't care if they are are not. It is just not a concern of mine. It is not a concern for me, or anyone else I know in my family or any family I know of. It's none of my business, and I mind my own business.

I've talked to my Grandchildren, and asked them if they know any transgenders from school. They said they have never known one from school, or ever seen one except on TV.

I think the Republicans have made a mountain out of a molehill here, with all the rhetoric about transgenders and the alleged grooming of transgenders in Public schools.

The Republicans really do not have a record of accomplishments to run on, so they have to make up shit to use as a fear tactic, to enrage and inflame their base of HOMOPHOBES and HATERS that everywhere local School Districts are hiring gay and transgendered teachers that are grooming their kids into homosexuals and transgenders.

This is nothing more than McCarthyism- except instead of Public Schools allegedly grooming our kids into becoming Communists, now the Public Schools are grooming our children and grandchildren to be Transgenders- according to the flapping tongues of the Republican WHITE WING party candidates and leaders.

This HATESPEAK ABOUT TRANSGENDERS may get you Republican's peters all puffed up, but let me tell you, most parents across the United States are not buying into it, and they are tired of hearing all the "SKY IS FALLING" bullshit about it- AND THEY WILL BE VOTING 180 degrees in the other direction come 2024.

The Democrats are trying to tamp down all of the hatefulness in America, while the Republicans seem to be ginning it up!

That is why I vote Democratic! Just one out of hundreds of other reasons.

 

[Bigdog]

Your modified question is actually not as bad, as it doesn't specify that you have to answer yes or no. You could simply say "I don't beat my wife."



I looked into what you're talking about and I think this is precisely what J.K. Rowling was getting at.

Lia Thomas is -not- a biological female, and that makes a difference in sports. For those who don't know the story, here's an article covering it:

Riley Gaines never considered herself a feminist. Then she raced Lia Thomas | foxnews.com

Similarly, I think we can all agree here that transgender females shouldn't be given a pass to commit crimes just because they're transgender. The following story shows how that can lead to abuse:

**
The case involved a then-14-year-old skirt-wearing boy who attacked a 15-year-old girl in a school bathroom in May — but was allowed to transfer to a neighboring school, where he struck again.

It made national headlines when Scott Smith, the father of the first victim, was wrestled to the ground and arrested while trying to raise his concerns at a school board meeting — a bust that was then used to suggest that parents were acting like domestic terrorists.
**

Source:
Loudoun County schools’ chief of staff axed over sex-attack scandal: reports | New York Post

Eventually, the problem was dealt with by a judge:
**
His daughter’s attacker was last week put on the sex offender registry for the rest of his life by a judge who said the boy’s psychosexual evaluations “scared me for society.”
**

Perhaps the punishment was too harsh- I think it's possible that the boy could be reformed. But I certainly believe that -something- had to be done other than just transferring him to another school. It would have been better if it'd been done the first time.

I am familiar with all that and the Loudon County case.

Do you agree or disagree with this real life example of the Federal gov't forcing citizens to Think a bio man is a woman ... just because He thinks he is a woman?

 

[Scott]

I vote on issues that are important to me and my family.

I do not know any transvestites. I do not know of any transgendered children. I have seen maybe one or two transgendered adults out in public, my whole life. I wasn't even sure about them, but they looked a little too masculine to be women in my opinion. But, one never knows, it is no concern of mine anyway, and I really don't care if they are are not. It is just not a concern of mine. It is not a concern for me, or anyone else I know in my family or any family I know of. It's none of my business, and I mind my own business.

I've talked to my Grandchildren, and asked them if they know any transgenders from school. They said they have never known one from school, or ever seen one except on TV.

I think the Republicans have made a mountain out of a molehill here, with all the rhetoric about transgenders and the alleged grooming of transgenders in Public schools.

The Republicans really do not have a record of accomplishments to run on, so they have to make up shit to use as a fear tactic, to enrage and inflame their base of HOMOPHOBES and HATERS that everywhere local School Districts are hiring gay and transgendered teachers that are grooming their kids into homosexuals and transgenders.

This is nothing more than McCarthyism- except instead of Public Schools allegedly grooming our kids into becoming Communists, now the Public Schools are grooming our children and grandchildren to be Transgenders- according to the flapping tongues of the Republican WHITE WING party candidates and leaders.

This HATESPEAK ABOUT TRANSGENDERS may get you Republican's peters all puffed up, but let me tell you, most parents across the United States are not buying into it, and they are tired of hearing all the "SKY IS FALLING" bullshit about it- AND THEY WILL BE VOTING 180 degrees in the other direction come 2024.

The Democrats are trying to tamp down all of the hatefulness in America, while the Republicans seem to be ginning it up!

That is why I vote Democratic! Just one out of hundreds of other reasons.

Having lived a fair amount of time in a large city (Toronto), I've seen some transgender people in person and I also lived in the same apartment building as someone who apparently was -both- sexes (that is, they could both get pregnant and impregnate and did so), but nothing other than that outside of tv/internet as far as I know.

In any case, the examples I brought up in post #70 are real. The fact that I never met them doesn't change that fact.

 

[Scott]

Your modified question is actually not as bad, as it doesn't specify that you have to answer yes or no. You could simply say "I don't beat my wife."

I looked into what you're talking about and I think this is precisely what J.K. Rowling was getting at.

Lia Thomas is -not- a biological female, and that makes a difference in sports. For those who don't know the story, here's an article covering it:

Riley Gaines never considered herself a feminist. Then she raced Lia Thomas | foxnews.com

Similarly, I think we can all agree here that transgender females shouldn't be given a pass to commit crimes just because they're transgender. The following story shows how that can lead to abuse:

**
The case involved a then-14-year-old skirt-wearing boy who attacked a 15-year-old girl in a school bathroom in May — but was allowed to transfer to a neighboring school, where he struck again.

It made national headlines when Scott Smith, the father of the first victim, was wrestled to the ground and arrested while trying to raise his concerns at a school board meeting — a bust that was then used to suggest that parents were acting like domestic terrorists.
**

Source:
Loudoun County schools’ chief of staff axed over sex-attack scandal: reports | New York Post

Eventually, the problem was dealt with by a judge:
**
His daughter’s attacker was last week put on the sex offender registry for the rest of his life by a judge who said the boy’s psychosexual evaluations “scared me for society.”
**

Perhaps the punishment was too harsh- I think it's possible that the boy could be reformed. But I certainly believe that -something- had to be done other than just transferring him to another school. It would have been better if it'd been done the first time.

I am familiar with all that and the Loudon County case.

Do you agree or disagree with this real life example of the Federal gov't forcing citizens to Think a bio man is a woman ... just because He thinks he is a woman?

As far as I can tell, these examples didn't force anyone to think anything. The main issue that I can see in both cases is how to handle the situations.

In the case of sports, I think that biological women should have the right to not compete with trans women if they don't want to.

In the case of high school washrooms, I think the ideal situation would be that high schools install a gender neutral washroom if they have a transgender student or have one basically converted into one. If for whatever reason that isn't done, perhaps allowing the transgender student to go to the washroom with someone they trust to avoid issues might be the best solution. As to which washroom they use, I think that would probably be best determined by the area where they're at, as well as any issues they themselves have. I think we can agree that it would be best that the transgender female student who assaulted teens in 2 washrooms shouldn't be using female washrooms.

 

[Celticguy]

As I've mentioned with Bigdog, I think there's a middle ground, which is that transmen and transwomen can be men and women respectively -gender- wise, but not biologically.

And I disagree.

Biology certainly is the determinant when it comes to -biological- men and women. Gender identity, on the other hand, is generally being defined as not something that can be different then one's biological sex now.

male/female is biology. Its physical, its real, its unchangeable. Gender identity is mental and there are two choices, heterosexual and homosexual. Because they are simple behavior, one can chose to be one or the other at any time. But they are a choice.

I think the fact that we have 2 words that are generally now describing different things means that there is no need for some type of competition between biology and behaviour. One can be biologically male, yet have a gender identity of a female, or vice versa.

Clearly there is a minority who wish to establish this but the majority who do not. Words have meaning, that's why they exist.

This is in the realm of politics. Some jurisdictions decide to spend the money, others don't. I've seen some gender neutral washrooms in Canada. Another thing, a washroom doesn't have to be labelled gender neutral to actually be gender neutral- the washroom in your wife's clinic is a good example.

Commercial settings will do what they do. Ultimately, however, I suspect that having gender neutral washrooms here and there would greatly alleviate this entire issue.

I was referring to commercial settings.

I'm not sure what you're saying here. Are you drawing a connection between mental illness and AIDS? In any case, I no longer believe that biological viruses exist, which would mean I don't believe the HIV virus exists. That doesn't mean I don't believe in AIDS, just that I don't believe it's caused by a virus.

No I am not saying mental illness created AIDS though it did cause the rapid spread.
What I was saying is that for the preceding hundreds of years homosexuality was found to be a mental illness then is all the sudden stopped with no particular reason apart from the one I gave.
Behavior cannot CAUSE/CREATE a virus (or whatever you consider viruses to be) but it certainly can alter progression through a population.

 

[Bigdog]

In the case of sports, I think that biological women should have the right to not compete with trans women if they don't want to.

Women have a choice to compete against a bio man ... or NOT compete at all. Are you happy about that?

 

[Scott]

As I've mentioned with Bigdog, I think there's a middle ground, which is that transmen and transwomen can be men and women respectively -gender- wise, but not biologically.

And I disagree.

Why?

Biology certainly is the determinant when it comes to -biological- men and women. Gender identity, on the other hand, is generally being defined as not something that can be different then one's biological sex now.

male/female is biology. Its physical, its real, its unchangeable. Gender identity is mental and there are two choices, heterosexual and homosexual.

I agree that gender identity is something that happens in the mind, but it heterosexuality and homosexuality have nothing to do with it. Those are sexual -orientations-. Gender identity is about the gender that a person identifies with. At this point, there are a -lot- of them. Wikipedia has a long list here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_gender_identities

The ones most people are familiar with are male and female, though I have heard of "cisgender" in the past, which they mention, as well as cis male and cis female. In case you're not familiar:

**
A cisgender (can be shortened to cis; sometimes cissexual) person has a gender identity that matches their sex assigned at birth. A person whose sex was assigned male at birth and identifies as a boy or a man, or someone whose sex was assigned female at birth and identifies as a girl or a woman, is considered cisgender.[1]
**

Source:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisgender

Transgender people are clearly not cisgender. All of this makes a clear distiction between one's biological sex and one's gender identity.

Because they are simple behavior, one can chose to be one or the other at any time. But they are a choice.

Wait a second, are you suggesting that one's sexual orientation/attraction is a -choice-? If so, I strongly disagree. There's a line I have heard often- one can control one's actions, not one's attractions, and I'm a strong believer in it.

I think the fact that we have 2 words that are generally now describing different things means that there is no need for some type of competition between biology and behaviour. One can be biologically male, yet have a gender identity of a female, or vice versa.

Clearly there is a minority who wish to establish this but the majority who do not.

I certainly haven't seen any polls as to how many people are ok with the idea of allowing that one can have a gender identity that is not the same as one's biological sex, but regardless of whether or not people are ok with it, transgender people are clearly living this. I for one don't see any problem with this. The issue becomes when people who are transgender want to be treated the same as those who are cisgendered in all aspects. As I mentioned with Bigdog, there are some situations where this seems to be the wrong way to do things, such as sports.

Words have meaning, that's why they exist.

We certainly agree there. The issue is how we define them and ofcourse different people will have different ideas as to how to define them. Ultimately, the law and dictionaries tend to bring consensus when things are controversial.

This is in the realm of politics. Some jurisdictions decide to spend the money, others don't. I've seen some gender neutral washrooms in Canada. Another thing, a washroom doesn't have to be labelled gender neutral to actually be gender neutral- the washroom in your wife's clinic is a good example.

Commercial settings will do what they do. Ultimately, however, I suspect that having gender neutral washrooms here and there would greatly alleviate this entire issue.

I was referring to commercial settings.

I think it would be for the best if commercial settings started having a few gender neutral washrooms as well. It would avoid the incredibly controversial issue of which washroom transgender people should use.

I'm not sure what you're saying here. Are you drawing a connection between mental illness and AIDS? In any case, I no longer believe that biological viruses exist, which would mean I don't believe the HIV virus exists. That doesn't mean I don't believe in AIDS, just that I don't believe it's caused by a virus.

No I am not saying mental illness created AIDS though it did cause the rapid spread.

Seeing as how I don't believe that AIDS is caused by a contagious virus, I'd have to disagree with you there.

What I was saying is that for the preceding hundreds of years homosexuality was found to be a mental illness then is all the sudden stopped with no particular reason apart from the one I gave.

So you think homosexuality is a mental illness? For the record, I don't.

Behavior cannot CAUSE/CREATE a virus (or whatever you consider viruses to be) but it certainly can alter progression through a population.

I believe that AIDS is caused by toxins introduced into the body. Below, I quote a bit of text from a site that gets into it more. One thing, I certainly don't claim that it's been proven that an HIV virus doesn't cause AIDS. However, I strongly believe that it's the most probably explanation.

**
DR. T.C. FRY & DR. SEBI BOTH PROVED AIDS IS A LIE

AIDS via HIV was, and is, a lie... a GREAT HOAX... that was, and is, not only used to scourge and mark the homosexual community, as well as to exploit and abuse the Negro Race, especially throughout Africa, but it was, and is, a multi-billion-dollar scheme to maintain and increase taxpayer-funded government dollars that flow into the education, medical and pharmaceutical industries and their many tax-exempt non-profit organizations.

Aside from Dr. T.C. Fry and Dr. Sebi (right) proving that AIDS and HIV is a GREAT HOAX, hundreds of scientists, doctors, biologists, virologists and medical professionals concur and have signed onto that reality. See more at: VirusMyth.com & RethinkingAids.com

There is one main reason why people get sick. If not from some natural genetic flaw that a person may be born with or invasion of the body by living organisms such as bacteria, mold, fungus and parasites... all of which can be easily identified and inexpensively and naturally remedied... it is because of the buildup of toxins (poisons) that adversely impact and effect the body. Many people are destroying their immune system with the things they consume, which causes illness, diseases and death.
**

Source:
The great AIDS hoax | thebigvirushoax.com

 

[Taichiliberal]

"Woke", "trans" .... fear. People will throw into the mix anything they hate and fear.

I was never a fan of Rowling's work, but I'm fascinated as how it's wild success has given her an international platform for her personal opinions.

Personally, I agree with her. Biology is biology, reality is reality. 'Nuff said.

As for everyone turning against her, I'm not surprised. Her fandom, success is based on creating a FANTASY world. Her statements regarding the whole "trans" situation essentially destroys the fantasy parts of that issue. It's like an adult explaining to a room of kids that while there is Christmas, there is no Santa Claus.

And the band played on.

 

[Geeko Sportivo]

Having lived a fair amount of time in a large city (Toronto), I've seen some transgender people in person and I also lived in the same apartment building as someone who apparently was -both- sexes (that is, they could both get pregnant and impregnate and did so), but nothing other than that outside of tv/internet as far as I know.

In any case, the examples I brought up in post #70 are real. The fact that I never met them doesn't change that fact.

J. K. Rowling was first verbally attacked by the Religious Christian Conservative White people that accused her of witchcraft and everything under the sun for the story material of her children's books. I witnessed the same thing happen, when the same people misunderstood a comment made by John Lennon about the Beatles being more popular than Jesus. And then the Christians and Church Leaders scheduled Beatles Record Bon-fires to protest the Beatles. The very same people that scheduled her Books to be thrown in the Bonfires- but just a different generation.

She did not ask for that, and neither did the Beatles, nor did either do anything really to deserve that kind of hatred expressed towards them.

And I do not really see anything that she said referring to Trans people that should upset Trans people. BUT, It's her reputation that she has to take some responsibility for. Have you ever heard the phrase- SOME THINGS ARE JUST BETTER LEFT UNSAID?


When you become a public figure, and when it comes to LGBTQ issues, I believe it is best to just stay out of the argument, if something you have to say may offend them. I mean unless you like to be criticized by them.

Hollywood has Blackballed it's own actors and movie people for many years, for taking sides in Political or Religious arguments or with Gay or Sexual issues, adulterous affairs, and every kind of scandal you can imagine. Actors get blackballed, and so do directors for just starring in, or directing movies that have LGBTQ issues in them.

Sometimes it has helped their careers, while for others, it sunk their careers.

I am not saying this is the way it should or should not be, I am just stating this is the world we live in.

And if you are lucky enough to become a public figure in this world, but your success depends upon a fandom base, BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT WHAT YOU SAY when talking about Politics, Religion, or sexually based topic matters. Because once something's said, there is no un-hearing it. My parents raised me to either say something positive about the ones you are speaking of- OR SAY NOTHING AT ALL!

I mean why risk chasing away your fan base, and drawing bad press, for saying something that some people would consider as controversial comments?

I mean, if I were a comedian, and my theme was making fun of women in my act, I would not expect that women would be my favorite fans.

So, she basically opened up her mouth, and inserted her foot, and it cost her her reputation and future success- WHEN SHE SHOULD HAVE JUST USED A LITTLE RESTRAINT and not said anything about the LGBTQ.

I may not agree with why she is being Blackballed, but it's her reputation at stake- NOT MINE.

 

[Celticguy]

Why?

Already covered.

I agree that gender identity is something that happens in the mind, but it heterosexuality and homosexuality have nothing to do with it. Those are sexual -orientations-. Gender identity is about the gender that a person identifies with. At this point, there are a -lot- of them. Wikipedia has a long list here:

Gender has everything to do with sex.

The ones most people are familiar with are male and female, though I have heard of "cisgender" in the past, which they mention, as well as cis male and cis female. In case you're not familiar:

I am familiar with this wordplay intended to legitimize this tomfoolery.

Transgender people are clearly not cisgender. All of this makes a clear distiction between one's biological sex and one's gender identity.

And its all nonsense.

Wait a second, are you suggesting that one's sexual orientation/attraction is a -choice-? If so, I strongly disagree. There's a line I have heard often- one can control one's actions, not one's attractions, and I'm a strong believer in it.

Yes, its a choice. If not explain Anne Heche ? And no, she herself said she was not bi-sexual.

I certainly haven't seen any polls as to how many people are ok with the idea of allowing that one can have a gender identity that is not the same as one's biological sex, but regardless of whether or not people are ok with it, transgender people are clearly living this. I for one don't see any problem with this. The issue becomes when people who are transgender want to be treated the same as those who are cisgendered in all aspects. As I mentioned with Bigdog, there are some situations where this seems to be the wrong way to do things, such as sports.

Trans people suffer the mental illness of gender dysphoria, there is no argument over this i the medical community. There are two forms of treatment; one is standard psychology which gets them past this confusion. It works just fine, takes a little time. The other is drugs and sometimes surgery. This is a VERY lucrative process and is relatively quick. It is also becoming increasingly a regret by those talked into it. That sad boy on the cable series "I Am Jazz" which followed him trying to become a girl is a notable example. He's clinically depressed, put on a hundred pounds etc. His was founded on mom's Munchausens by Proxy. But the fake penises leave them incontinent and don't operate for the other use and the tissues have to be harvested from the arm or leg leaving a rather unattractive scar that never goes back to looking like it used to. People are not happy with the results.

I think it would be for the best if commercial settings started having a few gender neutral washrooms as well. It would avoid the incredibly controversial issue of which washroom transgender people should use.

Building codes do not allow for that vague an approach.
Cure the illness and there IS no problem.

Seeing as how I don't believe that AIDS is caused by a contagious virus, I'd have to disagree with you there.

Huge number of homosexual men who prove the point.

So you think homosexuality is a mental illness? For the record, I don't.

Science said it was for hundreds of years and nothing else has been discovered to alter that. I do not expect you to agree, just pointing out historical contec=xt.

I believe that AIDS is caused by toxins introduced into the body. Below, I quote a bit of text from a site that gets into it more. One thing, I certainly don't claim that it's been proven that an HIV virus doesn't cause AIDS. However, I strongly believe that it's the most probably explanation.

And how is that not a virus except that virus is a very specific structure and "toxin" is not.

Over the last 30 years or so medical ideas involving mysterious and never defined "toxins" have been getting blamed for any number of things with cures offered up that never work. Its a whole lot like 1800's snake oil cures with a somewhat more sciency presentation selling alcohol, caffein, cocaine and the like. You will have to forgive me if I cannot take such seriously.