Climate Change Fraud

[Topspin]

Also, EVERYTIME something different occurs you hear "maybe related to GW"
LOFL expose more of these alarmist tools

 

[tinfoil]

Really? Is that why there are increased numbers of sharks in the shallows, giand jelly fish and Squid showing up where they usually dont? And scientists saying it is due to warming oceans? Or the increase in ice bergs floating around the arctic, and currently off the coast of new Zealand? Or maybe the increase in freak weather and floods? Or the increase in plagues?

I have articles that can back all these claims up and are supported by Scientists. I can also post articles showing ExXon Mobile one of the major producers of polution is paying scientists millions of dollars a year to try to discredit this information using false data.

There is no brainwashing. This is the first November in a long time my city has not seen snow in November. Not to mention we have had milder winters for the last 10 years or so.

Changing climate is a natural process.
Human CO2 forcing does not drive climate.
CO2 does not drive climate. It responds to climate changes (solar variability/ orbital eccentricity)due to ocean rates of sequestration of CO2 with changes in water temps.

Look it up!

 

[wiseones2cents]

Those are great ideas. Too bad the real goal is strangling america's economy.

The real goal is to increase profit margins. They are making a killing selling stuff that is made next to nothing for a nice profit.The rich have exploited the poor since the beginning of time. As long as North Americans(and abroad) keep buying this stuff from China? They will milk the countries until there is nothing left to milk. Then they will move to their next host.....

My hope is that once China and India get their economies in top gear, they will start importing some stuff for a change(and create jobs for us), but that wont happen until they re-evaluate their currency(since everything is cheaper to make themselves). In global economics it should be illegal to peg their dollar to the American currency but you wont hear a peep from the fat cats.

The best thing to do now? Boycott all stuff from China until they balance out the trade defeciet.

That would force the Chinese to adapt to the global market.

 

[Sammy Jankis]

The real goal is to increase profit margins. They are making a killing selling stuff that is made next to nothing for a nice profit.The rich have exploited the poor since the beginning of time. As long as North Americans(and abroad) keep buying this stuff from China? They will milk the countries until there is nothing left to milk. Then they will move to their next host.....

My hope is that once China and India get their economies in top gear, they will start importing some stuff for a change(and create jobs for us), but that wont happen until they re-evaluate their currency(since everything is cheaper to make themselves). In global economics it should be illegal to peg their dollar to the American currency but you wont hear a peep from the fat cats.

The best thing to do now? Boycott all stuff from China until they balance out the trade defeciet.

That would force the Chinese to adapt to the global market.

Some of your ideas are good. But you're dumb on global warming.

 

[wiseones2cents]

But the last few years of data show an end to the trend. This is the truth they want to suppress, because it blows away the AGW theory being used as a pretense for massive and idiotic energy taxes.

End to the trend? Like I said, this is the first Novemeber EVER that we have not had snow. So it does not show a ending to the trend to me. It seems to be getting warmer.

 

[Damocles]

End to the trend? Like I said, this is the first Novemeber EVER that we have not had snow. So it does not show a ending to the trend to me. It seems to be getting warmer.

One anecdotal event (like no snow in November in one city) doesn't a trend dissolve. The reality is the current trend shows the opposite of what you insist is happening.

 

[Sammy Jankis]

End to the trend? Like I said, this is the first Novemeber EVER that we have not had snow. So it does not show a ending to the trend to me. It seems to be getting warmer.

Nevertheless. The actual numbers were destroyed or manipulated. Emails prove it.

If the science was there to back up your anecdotal experience, there would be no need for the deception and stonewalling.

 

[wiseones2cents]

Some of your ideas are good. But you're dumb on global warming.

WHat you believe to be dumb I believe to be common sense. Not only do I have articles upon articles of proof? I have been monitoring the situation for quite some time... I also just look outside my window and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see flowers are blooming several months earlier. Winters are milder. Larger storm fronts(due to warm and cold fronts colliding) are occuring on a more regualer basis. ect...

 

[Onceler]

Nevertheless. The actual numbers were destroyed or manipulated. Emails prove it.

If the science was there to back up your anecdotal experience, there would be no need for the deception and stonewalling.

Let's not get mixed up here. The fact that the planet is warming right now is not really in question; AGW is.

I have come to the conclusion that AGW is impossible to prove. There are too many variables, and too many factors at work.

This whole scandal is an immense drag. It's extremely embarassing, and unfortunately, hurts a lot of people who had nothing to do with it. It also hurts the cause for sensible environmental measures and efforts to transition to domestic, renewable sources of energy more quickly.

 

[wiseones2cents]

Nevertheless. The actual numbers were destroyed or manipulated. Emails prove it.

If the science was there to back up your anecdotal experience, there would be no need for the deception and stonewalling.

How does the saying go? Believe only 10% of what you hear and 50% of what you see. I will tell you this though. Many of these people claiming to be pro-enviornmentlists? Are really only pro money. So expect alot of turncoating and purposely given false data. To discredit their own selves to further their own interests which is PROFITS!

All the elites whether pro or anti enviormentalists? They are both on the same page. To make profits. They are just appraoching it from both angles to have their bases covered.

The actual numbers are not destroyed and I have articles upon articles upon articles of scientific data stating that the earth is definitly warming and we are either the main cause or contributing to it.

 

[Damocles]

Let's not get mixed up here. The fact that the planet is warming right now is not really in question; AGW is.

I have come to the conclusion that AGW is impossible to prove. There are too many variables, and too many factors at work.

This whole scandal is an immense drag. It's extremely embarassing, and unfortunately, hurts a lot of people who had nothing to do with it. It also hurts the cause for sensible environmental measures and efforts to transition to domestic, renewable sources of energy more quickly.

It isn't just the scandal that does that. The decision to drive towards those things because of "overwhelming evidence" of AGW that didn't exist set it up first.

There are many good reasons to start working towards energy independence and renewable sources. By ignoring those and underlining the AGW "theory" as the sole reason for needing any change it caused the very issue you see we are facing now. First those scientists should never have feared the articles that pointed out the holes in their "theory", insisting they would no longer publish their papers with those who would "deign" to publish anything but their work.

 

[Sammy Jankis]

Let's not get mixed up here. The fact that the planet is warming right now is not really in question; AGW is.

I have come to the conclusion that AGW is impossible to prove. There are too many variables, and too many factors at work.

This whole scandal is an immense drag. It's extremely embarassing, and unfortunately, hurts a lot of people who had nothing to do with it. It also hurts the cause for sensible environmental measures and efforts to transition to domestic, renewable sources of energy more quickly.

No. It is in question. There was a warming trend, it ended a few years ago. This is why the data was destroyed. (correct me if Im wrong tinny).

Nobody has a problem with SENSIBLE environmental controls . We started implementing those in the late seventies.

AGW hysteria was a "Big Lie" designed to institute global energic totalitarianism.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

This is why 'global warming' is a fraud.

It snowed in Dallas, TX this morning.

 

[evince]

Seriously, you are laughable. Why don't you educate yourself about what Phil Jones did. He would not be stepping down from the most lucritive scientific job EVER if he didn't have to.

Use a couple brain cells.

He is stepping down until the investigation is complete to avoid any appearances of manipulation of the investigation.

Lets remember that the INVESTIGATION has not taken place yet and these are just some stolen emails (some of which are 18 years old) and nothing has been proven.

The sad thing is even if this guy did something wrong that does not prove global warming is not effected by man.

 

[Onceler]

It isn't just the scandal that does that. The decision to drive towards those things because of "overwhelming evidence" of AGW that didn't exist set it up first.

There are many good reasons to start working towards energy independence and renewable sources.

Well, we've been in agreement on that, basically.

If you really look at the science, it doesn't make any sense to base legislation on AGW, anyway, even if it could be proven beyond the shadow of a doubt, which it never can be.

If you accept AGW, and accept it to the point where you think it's the sole reason for not just the trigger of warming but its continuation, it still wouldn't matter if the entire planet went cold turkey on CO2 in our lifetimes. And the idea that the planet could go cold turkey is fantasy; the measures they talk about barely scratch the surface.

They're making the wrong arguments for domestics...

 

[wiseones2cents]

One anecdotal event (like no snow in November in one city) doesn't a trend dissolve. The reality is the current trend shows the opposite of what you insist is happening.

Is that why there were ice bergs off the coast of New Zeland the other day? Or giant jelly fish swimming up to shore? This are new events and it doesn't point to a end to the trend. This points to an upward swing. If the Antarctic is melting? That would definitely be something new since it is more solid then the arctic.

 

[Sammy Jankis]

Is that why there were ice bergs off the coast of New Zeland the other day? Or giant jelly fish swimming up to shore? This are new events and it doesn't point to a end to the trend. This points to an upward swing. If the Antarctic is melting? That would definitely be something new since it is more solid then the arctic.

It's over dude. Get a grip.

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

End to the trend? Like I said, this is the first Novemeber EVER that we have not had snow. So it does not show a ending to the trend to me. It seems to be getting warmer.

So the FACT that the average global temperatures have not exceeded 1998 levels is trumped by the fact that your city didn't get snow in November?

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

WHat you believe to be dumb I believe to be common sense. Not only do I have articles upon articles of proof? I have been monitoring the situation for quite some time... I also just look outside my window and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see flowers are blooming several months earlier. Winters are milder. Larger storm fronts(due to warm and cold fronts colliding) are occuring on a more regualer basis. ect...

We had snow here in OCTOBER... OMG... GLOBAL ICE AGE COMING!!!!

'looking out your window' tells you what your LOCAL weather patterns are doing. It does nothing to demonstrate GLOBAL conditions.

 

[Damocles]

Is that why there were ice bergs off the coast of New Zeland the other day? Or giant jelly fish swimming up to shore? This are new events and it doesn't point to a end to the trend. This points to an upward swing. If the Antarctic is melting? That would definitely be something new since it is more solid then the arctic.

No, warming waters in specific areas show changes in climate that may or may not have anything to do with global "warming" itself. If there is one thing that is certain, it is that that earth itself is not stagnant and has been in a stable period for a longer time than normal. Changes in water flow in the ocean also do not change the actual trend in temperature across the planet.

And the Antarctic melting would be significant because that is water that sits on land, it would raise the ocean levels, while the Arctic melting wouldn't do that as it isn't on land and floats in the water.

Picture the difference between adding ice into a drink, and ice melting that is already in the drink and you will get the picture.

The evidence points towards a reversing trend, that doesn't mean that the warming that occurred before disappeared. It means that in the future we may see more ice rather than less in both the Arctic and Antarctic caps.