Afghanistan and false democracy.

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wiseones2cents

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Well. It looks like they are going to step up the war in Afghanistan. A place full of corruption. A democratic election that was heavily rigged. The challenger then mysteriously withdraws and leaves Karzai unchallenged. What a joke! If this were anywhere else the Americans would be crying but since their puppet won? You wont hear a peep out of them.

Now the surge is coming and be sure that this war will expand on many fronts.
Why? So the Americans(and company) can keep their puppets in power and milk the country of everything it is worth. Imperialism 101.

There is already grumbling in Pakistan. The military(who really calls the shots) just stripped another so called democratic leader of his powers. He is going to be gone very soon. Another corrupt puppet of the USA.

Iran? Well Iran is going to be the strongest enemy the USA has YET to face. Iraq and Afghanistan were small potatoes in regards to technology.

And Iraq? What will happen when they divert the troops? Iraq will explode again. The battle in Iraq is far from won.

I'm sure the Iraqis are listening closely to what is going on. Expect some major explosions coming up soon.
 
And the warhawks keep getting their funding.
Nothing corrupt in our gov,
Obama convieniently makes it look to liberals like we're getting out by the time he's done.
THE FLEECING OF THE AMERICAN DUMBASS!!!
 
OK, so I have a few questions. I listened intently to the president's speech last night. I heard all that he had to say and wasn't angry when it was over. That's good for me when a Chicago democrat is making a speech. I wasn't completely satisfied either. Then I listened to Maxine Waters, Dennis Kucinich and some others who really didn't like what Obama had to say. It raised a couple of questions in my mind for those who say come home now:

1. What are we to do, pull out and let the Taliban take control?

2. Pull out and let Al Queda take control?

3. Negotiate with the Taliban (and/or Al Queda)?

I mean, this is a situation that I don't have answers for. It is a situation that I wish didn't exist, but it does. Do we just do nothing and hope for the best? Anyone out there got the answers?


And then I hear this nut, Obey I think his name was, calling for a war tax on those making $30,000 or more. I'm telling you that if a family is making $30,000 right now they are barely scraping by.
 
we will see.

I wish we could just leave both countries but there is this small problem of Nukes in Pakistan.

Afganistan has never been a country controled by their own government. They are a tribal mountianous maze right out of acient history.

Pakistan has nukes and a government and people who have recently realized they will be taken over by the Taliban if they try to ignore them. They have begun fighting them in earnest. If the Taliban can use Afganistan as a safe haven to elude the Paki governments attempts to crush them then the Pakis will lose. If the Pakis lose that has GRAVE implications for the world.

Its a huge threat to the US in just that respect. We have the cooperation of both the constitutionally legal gov of Afganistan and the Paki government. Obama is giving them step up time. If they dont step up the whole thing may be lost.
How I wish the republican party would have not been such suckers when it came to leaving the real battle for the battle based on lies in Iraq.
 
leaningright said:
OK, so I have a few questions. I listened intently to the president's speech last night. I heard all that he had to say and wasn't angry when it was over. That's good for me when a Chicago democrat is making a speech. I wasn't completely satisfied either. Then I listened to Maxine Waters, Dennis Kucinich and some others who really didn't like what Obama had to say. It raised a couple of questions in my mind for those who say come home now:

1. What are we to do, pull out and let the Taliban take control?
yes
2. Pull out and let Al Queda take control?
yes
3. Negotiate with the Taliban (and/or Al Queda)?

I mean, this is a situation that I don't have answers for. It is a situation that I wish didn't exist, but it does. Do we just do nothing and hope for the best? Anyone out there got the answers?


And then I hear this nut, Obey I think his name was, calling for a war tax on those making $30,000 or more. I'm telling you that if a family is making $30,000 right now they are barely scraping by.
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Question for you, why do you want another vietnam:pke:
 
evince said:
we will see.

I wish we could just leave both countries but there is this small problem of Nukes in Pakistan.

Afganistan has never been a country controled by their own government. They are a tribal mountianous maze right out of acient history.

Pakistan has nukes and a government and people who have recently realized they will be taken over by the Taliban if they try to ignore them. They have begun fighting them in earnest. If the Taliban can use Afganistan as a safe haven to elude the Paki governments attempts to crush them then the Pakis will lose. If the Pakis lose that has GRAVE implications for the world.

Its a huge threat to the US in just that respect. We have the cooperation of both the constitutionally legal gov of Afganistan and the Paki government. Obama is giving them step up time. If they dont step up the whole thing may be lost.
How I wish the republican party would have not been such suckers when it came to leaving the real battle for the battle based on lies in Iraq.
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Yes desh, what you say here is true and there is no easy fix to the situation. I knew that whoever the president was they were going to have this to face during their term. I thought Obama stepped up to the plate quite nicely last night and acknowledged that we have to deal with the situation somehow. Obey and Kucinich made me mad with the prattle they were spewing.

Is the Obama strategy going to make the extreme left mad....yes. Is it going to work...only time will tell. At least he is doing something that I think most people will be able to agree on no matter how much we want to just leave.
 
Topspin said:
Question for you, why do you want another vietnam:pke:
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I don't...but do you want a middle east controlled by the Taliban and Al Queda? I don't want that either. Like I say, there is no easy solution to this problem...at least none that I can see.
 
leaningright said:
I don't...but do you want a middle east controlled by the Taliban and Al Queda? I don't want that either. Like I say, there is no easy solution to this problem...at least none that I can see.
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Child please read something, these are a bunch of towel heads that don't amount to much.
let me guess, you didn't go nor do you have kids you want to send to this bullshit war?
 
leaningright said:
OK, so I have a few questions. I listened intently to the president's speech last night. I heard all that he had to say and wasn't angry when it was over. That's good for me when a Chicago democrat is making a speech. I wasn't completely satisfied either. Then I listened to Maxine Waters, Dennis Kucinich and some others who really didn't like what Obama had to say. It raised a couple of questions in my mind for those who say come home now:

1. What are we to do, pull out and let the Taliban take control?

2. Pull out and let Al Queda take control?

3. Negotiate with the Taliban (and/or Al Queda)?

I mean, this is a situation that I don't have answers for. It is a situation that I wish didn't exist, but it does. Do we just do nothing and hope for the best? Anyone out there got the answers?


And then I hear this nut, Obey I think his name was, calling for a war tax on those making $30,000 or more. I'm telling you that if a family is making $30,000 right now they are barely scraping by.
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Yes Topspin. Obama is just picking up where Bush left off..... They are both elites and they are both on the same page. Too make money. The democrat and republic titles are just to fool the public.Democracy is all an illusion to fool the people. They stack the deck and make sure their guys make it no matter what.


1) America put the Taliban in control in the first place and they did a much better job then the people before them that the Taliban ousted. Now those very people are back in and backed by the US. The Taliban tried to stop the poppy cultivation and that was a no-no for the elites. Seeing that one of the booming markets is pharmaceudicals. And opium is one of the key ingredients.


2) Al-Qaeda is a myth invented by the US. The Taliban and Al-Qaeda are 2 different people. The Taliban nevere attacked the USA. "Supposedly" Osama did and they are harbouring Osama and that justifies america going in there and killing countless civilians in the process without even getting their man. Pathetic if you ask me.

3)Whats there to negotiate? You went there and started bombing and killing them.Get out and they will stop defending themselves. But America cannot leave until they have secured their investments. This war is all about profits.

This Obey guy does not surprise me. These 2 wars are no doubt the biggest heist of American tax payers dollars in history(all money being dioverting to big business). And the fact they still want to rob, just shows how stupid they think the American people are....
 
evince said:
How I wish the republican party would have not been such suckers when it came to leaving the real battle for the battle based on lies in Iraq.
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They were suckered because they were ALL invested heavily in energy stocks. Namely oil.
It is the AMerican people that were suckered into a war and have to pay for it. Not only with their taxes but with their lives......
 
I'm there
take a look at congress's net worth
many in the hundreds of millions
anybody wonder why someone with barely a million or two wants to pay a million to get the job?
Ten years later they own land where all the projects happen to be going on.

I for one agree with the elitist stance 110%
 
Lets not forget that no matter what Obama decided he wouold take shit from someone.

I think he made a tough choice and as president he is privy to info we dont get to see.

Maybe just maybe there is a chance it can work.

After eight years of dithering by the Bush team in Afganistan I thought for sure it was fucked beyond repair.

I sure hope Obama and hois team are right and that we can stop the Taliban from taking Pakistan and its nukes as well as Afganistan.

At least we have a chance to avoid the huge fucking mess that will be.
 
NO WE DONT
it's already a huge mess, best we could do is leave yestarday.
But then Obama is looking out for fellow elites not the average Joe.
 
No no bid contracts gives this whole thing a differant note than the Bush cash fest with pallets of hundered dollar bills disapearing
 
political points yada yada
I'm with Maxine Waters on this one, we have no business over their time to come home.
All that did 911 died, we then killed most everybody they ever knew.

Why is that not enough, any other answer=Vietnam
poor people will organize into things that don't look like us, trying to make them = see above
 
Actually America would have preferred it if Abdullah Abdullah had won. No one likes the election but there's no reason we can't stamp out corruption once we stamp out the Taliban. Everyone knows a corrupt government is better than the fucking Taliban.
 
Watermark said:
Actually America would have preferred it if Abdullah Abdullah had won. No one likes the election but there's no reason we can't stamp out corruption once we stamp out the Taliban. Everyone knows a corrupt government is better than the fucking Taliban.
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Here's the problem.

The chosen dictator has to play both sides to maintain his power. The problem will never be solved.
 
Watermark said:
Actually America would have preferred it if Abdullah Abdullah had won. No one likes the election but there's no reason we can't stamp out corruption once we stamp out the Taliban. Everyone knows a corrupt government is better than the fucking Taliban.
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What comedy, like our gov isn't corrupt as fuck. thanks
 
Watermark said:
Actually America would have preferred it if Abdullah Abdullah had won. No one likes the election but there's no reason we can't stamp out corruption once we stamp out the Taliban. Everyone knows a corrupt government is better than the fucking Taliban.
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Everyone knows a corrupt government is better than the Taliban? I dont know that. At least the Taliban doesn't rob from its own people. They may have been a little strict with their laws but other than that? Way better than a corupt government. Most of these corrupt governments cause wide spread poverty. How is that better?
 
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