Americans losing faith in elections process

T. A. Gardner said:
I'd start with a return to elections being done totally in person with voter ID. No mail-in voting, no ballot harvesting, no drop boxes, no weeks of voting. You go to a polling station, present your ID, get verified as the correct person to vote, cast your ballot on paper that is kept as a record, and your vote is counted.

Everything the Democrats are doing and want for elections is driving this perception of fraud and cheating, and it's well grounded in how things look to the average rational person.

Everybody gets mailed a ballot. No voter ID required. You have several weeks to fill out and return your ballot to a drop box, mail it in, or the like. Ballot harvesters will come to your door to get it if you are lazy. The voter rolls are never purged. Instead, once on gets you a mail in ballot forever. You get automatically registered to vote when you do to get a driver's license, no questions asked.

How the hell does that look to the average, rational person? How does it look to you? But that's EXACTLY what the Democrats are doing, and it already exists in full in many blue states.
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yes.

this is the solution.

republicans who's conclusions are "we just need to cheat like dems" are dopesick zombies.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Whether their beliefs are true or not, an increasing number, to now represent a majority of Americans, believe that elections are full of 'cheating.' Many think that election officials and others in government are ignoring claims of election fraud and even working actively to produce it.

It doesn't matter if this is true or not. The fact that a majority think and feel this way, should be a major alarm bell to politicians and government about elections. If people have no faith in the results, whether they are fair and accurate or the result of fraud and cheating, means the people have no faith in government. That is going to become a serious problem for our society.

Voters see ‘cheating’ everywhere, 54% expect it in 2024 election
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...msn&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=msn_feed
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When you have election officals preventing election observing from observing the counting process it tends to erode confidence.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
I'd start with a return to elections being done totally in person with voter ID. No mail-in voting, no ballot harvesting, no drop boxes, no weeks of voting. You go to a polling station, present your ID, get verified as the correct person to vote, cast your ballot on paper that is kept as a record, and your vote is counted.

Everything the Democrats are doing and want for elections is driving this perception of fraud and cheating, and it's well grounded in how things look to the average rational person.

Everybody gets mailed a ballot. No voter ID required. You have several weeks to fill out and return your ballot to a drop box, mail it in, or the like. Ballot harvesters will come to your door to get it if you are lazy. The voter rolls are never purged. Instead, once on gets you a mail in ballot forever. You get automatically registered to vote when you do to get a driver's license, no questions asked.

How the hell does that look to the average, rational person? How does it look to you? But that's EXACTLY what the Democrats are doing, and it already exists in full in many blue states.
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You have no clue how elections work. We have a very good and safe system. You have to show your ID to register to vote. Then the registration is checked and the person is assigned to a precinct. Their name is entered into the precinct log book. The names in that log are the only votes that can be counted by the precinct. Dropping a ton of fake votes does not work. There can be no count that exceeds the number of people in the precinct. Mail-in votes are taken to the precinct on the ballot.
When you vote in person, your signature is checked against the one in the book. If your name is not in the book, you are sent away. The system prevents over votes.
 
BartenderElite said:
The most amazing thing to me when Trump started w/ the Big Lie was how easily his supporters believed it. They didn't ask questions. Trump said it? It must be true.

A pathological liar who can't accept losing, ever. I doubt he's ever lost anything without yelling about "cheating" - probably going back to kickball in grade school.
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the time 2020 election confession article is a confession.

The Secret History of the Shadow Campaign That Saved the 2020 Election

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The handshake between business and labor was just one component of a vast, cross-partisan campaign to protect the election–an extraordinary shadow effort dedicated not to winning the vote but to ensuring it would be free and fair, credible and uncorrupted. For more than a year, a loosely organized coalition of operatives scrambled to shore up America’s institutions as they came under simultaneous attack from a remorseless pandemic and an autocratically inclined President.

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Their work touched every aspect of the election. They got states to change voting systems and laws and helped secure hundreds of millions in public and private funding. They fended off voter-suppression lawsuits, recruited armies of poll workers and got millions of people to vote by mail for the first time. They successfully pressured social media companies to take a harder line against disinformation and used data-driven strategies to fight viral smears. They executed national public-awareness campaigns that helped Americans understand how the vote count would unfold over days or weeks, preventing Trump’s conspiracy theories and false claims of victory from getting more traction. After Election Day, they monitored every pressure point to ensure that Trump could not overturn the result. “The untold story of the election is the thousands of people of both parties who accomplished the triumph of American democracy at its very foundation,” says Norm Eisen, a prominent lawyer and former Obama Administration official who recruited Republicans and Democrats to the board of the Voter Protection Program.

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Poor Richard Saunders said:
No one said you have to vote for a Democrat. That is the point of free and fair elections. You are free to vote for whoever you want and the winner is decided by counting the actual votes cast.
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I couldn't agree more but the actual reality, that means not inside your head, is that either a democrat or a republican is the overwhelmingly likely to be the winner in any election. So from a practical and reality based stand point there are only 2 options. As I stated one side seem to have no interest in me or people like me so it's clear they have cut me loose. That's fine but dont pretend you give a shit about unifying the country. When Brandon said it we all know it's a lie including you. But you STILL can't figure out why normal people dont trust the system.
 
ExpressLane said:
When you have election officals preventing election observing from observing the counting process it tends to erode confidence.
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It happened in Ga.

At midnight, the Democrats told the Republican poll watchers to go home and that the vote count was stopped.

The Republicans went home and the Democrats started "counting" again.
 
ExpressLane said:
When you have election officals preventing election observing from observing the counting process it tends to erode confidence.
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Or, conversely - when you have a former President and literally hundreds of elected officials and leaders repeating a lie day in & day out for years & years, people start to believe a different reality.
 
Earl said:
It happened in Ga.

At midnight, the Democrats told the Republican poll watchers to go home and that the vote count was stopped.

The Republicans went home and the Democrats started "counting" again.
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That actually is not true. Along with dozens of other fabricated claims Republicans have made about 2020.
 
Earl said:
It happened in Ga.

At midnight, the Democrats told the Republican poll watchers to go home and that the vote count was stopped.

The Republicans went home and the Democrats started "counting" again.
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And in Philly they had observers too far away from the counting to see what was happening because of COVID. And they blocked windows to prevent observation. :palm:
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Whether their beliefs are true or not, an increasing number, to now represent a majority of Americans, believe that elections are full of 'cheating.' Many think that election officials and others in government are ignoring claims of election fraud and even working actively to produce it.

It doesn't matter if this is true or not. The fact that a majority think and feel this way, should be a major alarm bell to politicians and government about elections. If people have no faith in the results, whether they are fair and accurate or the result of fraud and cheating, means the people have no faith in government. That is going to become a serious problem for our society.

Voters see ‘cheating’ everywhere, 54% expect it in 2024 election
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...msn&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=msn_feed
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BartenderElite said:
They could change everything about the way they handle elections.

If prominent politicians continue to lie about election integrity, it will make no difference. It's the messaging from Trump and his many minions that have eroded faith in our system - not the system itself. That is obvious.
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It will make a big difference when people realize that the only way to cast a ballot is to go to the polls, prove who you are and then you can vote. The ONLY reason to oppose that is to make the system open to manipulation. And you STILL cant figure it out.

You know what's funny? Leftists are NEVER the cause of a problem. It's fascinating to me.
 
BartenderElite said:
That actually is not true. Along with dozens of other fabricated claims Republicans have made about 2020.
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No, it's true.

It was on local TV and verified.

I live in Ga. and that's not the only cheating orchestrated by the fat lady, Stacy Abrams...ballot harvesting...mail in ballots.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Whether their beliefs are true or not, an increasing number, to now represent a majority of Americans, believe that elections are full of 'cheating.' Many think that election officials and others in government are ignoring claims of election fraud and even working actively to produce it.

It doesn't matter if this is true or not. The fact that a majority think and feel this way, should be a major alarm bell to politicians and government about elections. If people have no faith in the results, whether they are fair and accurate or the result of fraud and cheating, means the people have no faith in government. That is going to become a serious problem for our society.

Voters see ‘cheating’ everywhere, 54% expect it in 2024 election
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...msn&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=msn_feed
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Only because of you fascist Trump supporters.
 
As far as Georgia - I imagine it created doubt for some voters when they heard a recording of a sitting President trying to pressure an election official to find enough votes for him to flip the results and win the state.
 
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