What is woke about the lil mermaid?

[Nomad]

My favorite memory of Trump. Somehow, it reminds me of you.

I'm surprised you have any memory left!!!!!

 

[Concart]

While I agree that such ideas float around companies for years, the cynic in me knows "It's all about the money". Ergo, like our own government, companies tend to look no further than next year, not five years ahead, much less decades. I wish they would but they don't.

That said, I think you are partially correct about live remakes. The difference being that, instead of planning a series of live remakes, they simply looked at the profit margins of remaking the same stories with live actors then chose from there.

There are ten additional remakes on Disney's schedule, three of them already have release dates. So this is very definitely a strategic plan.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I'm surprised you have any memory left!!!!!

Me too!

 

[Dutch Uncle]

There are ten additional remakes on Disney's schedule, three of them already have release dates. So this is very definitely a strategic plan.

What better way to make money than to repackage and sell what you already own?

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

Here is my take. As a STRATEGIC thinker. Disney made a decision several years ago to do live remakes. I'm sure that as part of that strategic plan, there were discussions about making characters more diverse. That would reflect a strategic vision for the company.

What Disney could not have foreseen at that time, or even at the time the movie began production, is that a bunch of narrow minded hateful idiots would pick that exact moment in time to have a pissing contest with Disney, and that 'woke' would suddenly have replaced intelligence or critical thinking on the right. A perfect storm of hatred and stupidity. That said, it would not make sense to suddenly veer from that strategic vision because there might be a short term hit to some movie.

I suspect also that my rather simplistic strategic speculation would be about three layers deeper than they are capable of thinking.

IMO this is a very good analysis about what went on with the movie's casting and slight changes from the original. It wasn't some diabolical, nefarious plot by the Global Woke & Warming Kabal to force white people to accept not-white people.

It's just a fucking movie about a made-up species of mythical creatures.

 

[Guno צְבִי]

In the 50's children of color watched movies and TV and saw no characters that looked like them, except stereotypes like song of the south or Ramar of the Jungle and amos and andy or The Beulah Show

 

[Nomad]

There are ten additional remakes on Disney's schedule, three of them already have release dates. So this is very definitely a strategic plan.

Black Snow White?

Snow Black?

Will they keep the words "Seven Dwarfs" in the title?

Or will they be forced to change it to the "Seven Little People"?

Maybe the new title will be changed to....

"Snow of Undetermined Color and the Seven Height Challenged Individuals"

 

[Nomad]

IMO this is a very good analysis about what went on with the movie's casting and slight changes from the original. It wasn't some diabolical, nefarious plot by the Global Woke & Warming Kabal to force white people to accept not-white people.

It's just a fucking movie about a made-up species of mythical creatures.

Who exactly claimed it was anything close to that?

I don't recall seeing any posts around here which characterized it that way.

Please point those posts out to me, if it's not too much trouble.

Thanks.

And BTW, how do you know for a fact that Concart's analysis is correct?

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Black Snow White?

Snow Black?

Will they keep the words "Seven Dwarfs" in the title?

Or will they be forced to change it to the "Seven Little People"?

Maybe the new title will be changed to....

"Snow of Undetermined Color and the Seven Height Challenged Individuals"

Let the self-righteous conniptions begin!

 

[Nomad]

Let the self-righteous conniptions begin!

You don't find what I suggested absurd?

Because it was meant to be.

There is a real possibility that, given today's woke, cancel culture climate, that Disney could find itself under pressure to change the name of that and possibly other movies.

And though the name I suggested is admittedly and purposely ridiculous, what might they change it to if they face that kind of demand?

Twenty years ago the suggestion that Aunt Jemima, Uncle Ben's and the Washington Redskins would be forced to change their names and logos would've gotten one scoffed at.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

In the 50's children of color watched movies and TV and saw no characters that looked like them, except stereotypes like song of the south or Ramar of the Jungle and amos and andy or The Beulah Show

Entertainment, esp. TV, was so warped back then. Everyone was white, exc. for the caricatured exceptions you pointed out. Women were perky and subservient at the same time, and never smarter than the male characters, esp. if they were little girls. A show might have an alcoholic person ("drunk") but they were also comedic caricatures. All the heroes were white guys. "Indians" were portrayed by non-native actors and grunted a lot and talked like two-year-olds -- when they weren't busy wiping out the noble Euro pioneers and settlers and brave soldiers.

Women in old Westerns were either saloon tarts or brave-yet-petrified-about-everything pioneer farm/ranch women. Especially if they were widowed because their brave Euro husband was killed repelling the hostile savages.

Jewish characters always talked with a Yiddish accent and reeked of matzo ball soup.

Italian characters had NYC accents or exaggerated just-off-the-boat accents, and were always agitated. German characters were Nazis. There were no gay characters, except in sly ways... like Marvin the Martian.

Asians were either quiet servants, evil plotters, or wiped out by brave American victors in WWII movies.

Everyone knew their place and life was good.

Good times! Good times!

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

Let the self-righteous conniptions begin!

This Little Mermaid black actor thing is breaking Nomad.

I looked at our theater listings this afternoon. Although I'm not a Disney fan and did not see the original, I just might go see it this week. It's been so long since I've had movie popcorn! And there is nothing wrong with a little escapism. I'll imagine that my youngest g-daughter is watching with me.

Plus air-conditioning.

 

[Nomad]

Entertainment, esp. TV, was so warped back then. Everyone was white, exc. for the caricatured exceptions you pointed out. Women were perky and subservient at the same time, and never smarter than the male characters, esp. if they were little girls. A show might have an alcoholic person ("drunk") but they were also comedic caricatures. All the heroes were white guys. "Indians" were portrayed by non-native actors and grunted a lot and talked like two-year-olds -- when they weren't busy wiping out the noble Euro pioneers and settlers and brave soldiers.

Women in old Westerns were either saloon tarts or brave-yet-petrified-about-everything pioneer farm/ranch women. Especially if they were widowed because their brave Euro husband was killed repelling the hostile savages.

Jewish characters always talked with a Yiddish accent and reeked of matzo ball soup.

Italian characters had NYC accents or exaggerated just-off-the-boat accents, and were always agitated. German characters were Nazis. There were no gay characters, except in sly ways... like Marvin the Martian.

Asians were either quiet servants, evil plotters, or wiped out by brave American victors in WWII movies.

Everyone knew their place and life was good.

Good times! Good times!

Practically all I watch anymore are those very same old shows you're talking about.

MeTV, GetTV, Grit, AntennaTV, etc, etc.

I can tell you that while some of what you're whining about might have some merit to a degree, it wasn't all the way you make it out to be.

There were quite a few tough, savvy women characters in TV shows and movies and fairly often.

Not many blacks, true. But given what a small percentage of the population they've traditionally constituted, you can't really blame the TV networks back then. They were a nascent industry beholden to the commercial product manufacturers who paid the bills and wanted their ads on shows that targeted those who constituted the largest percentage of viewers and had the most money to spend.

As much as you'd love to blame it on the evil racism of the evil white male TV execs, reality does not bear that out.

Plus, your woke narrative can just as easily be described as antisemitism, since most of the TV and movie industry was controlled by Jews.

So are you accusing Jews of being racist and misogynist?

Are you saying they purposely stereotyped their own fellow Jews?

Anyway, given how OVER represented blacks have become in the media today, I'd say they no longer have anything to complain and cry victim about.

You can stay stuck in the past or move forward.

This Little Mermaid black actor thing is breaking Nomad.

I looked at our theater listings this afternoon. Although I'm not a Disney fan and did not see the original, I just might go see it this week. It's been so long since I've had movie popcorn! And there is nothing wrong with a little escapism. I'll imagine that my youngest g-daughter is watching with me.

Plus air-conditioning.

No, what's IRKING (far from breaking) me, is your intellectual dishonesty about everything related to this topic.

Something I've seen before amongst the woke white crowd.

So shackled is your sense of superiority to how relentlessly you "defend" those helpless, downtrodden black people who just can't get a fair shake without mighty whities like YOU on their side.

 

[Taichiliberal]

It is often a sign of a lack of wisdom and insight on the part of some people, when they profess to know for certain, things they have no way of knowing for certain.

While it's entirely possible you could be right, given the definitive nature of your statement which has no way of being proven by you, you lack the standing to have made it in the way you did. As if you were a party to it or observed it firsthand.

Everything I've opined on this subject has been presented as an opinion based on my observations. Mainly of the recent cancel culture phenomenon, where corporations have publicly bowed to woke pressure to change the names of long established products. My expressed opinions were formed under the assumption that Disney is likely no different from companies like PepsiCo and Mars Inc, owners of the former brands Aunt Jemima and Uncle Ben's respectively, which are now called Pearl Milling Company and Ben's Original after woke pressure forced the parent companies to change the original names.

I still believe that if nothing else, in Disney's making the decision to "go black", the pressure to appease woke public opinion was at least a significant factor.

It just seems to be the way things go nowadays.

You're still at it, bunky?

I mean, you pull all this supposition and conjecture BS out of your posterior as if it's fact. Thing is, you know NOTHING about the history of the brand logos for Aunt Jemima (or Uncle Ben). The Aunt Jemima logo was "tweaked" in the last 50 years to make it less offensive to the black population....Hell, 80 years before that it had changed from it's serious plantation born imagery. Look it up and get back to us when you're educated enough to stop labeling everything you don't like as "woke".

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
Your contention makes no sense. Can you imagine backing a woke agenda and losing money? That is not good for a career. All Disney decisions are about money.

Maybe we could help them with the definition of 'strategic'.

I can't imagine having these short sighted idiots on the board.

What's even more pathetic is how these jokers try to separate a corporations advertising campaigns from their financial bottom line (or fiduciary responsibility).

Maybe they're videots....people who don't know anything past their own birthdays and are proud of it. These "woke" wonks would be hard pressed to explain why television styles dramatically changed for dramas & sitcoms in 1972, given their revised version as to how things work in the world.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Practically all I watch anymore are those very same old shows you're talking about.

MeTV, GetTV, Grit, AntennaTV, etc, etc.

I can tell you that while some of what you're whining about might have some merit to a degree, it wasn't all the way you make it out to be.

There were quite a few tough, savvy women characters in TV shows and movies and fairly often.

Not many blacks, true. But given what a small percentage of the population they've traditionally constituted, you can't really blame the TV networks back then. They were a nascent industry beholden to the commercial product manufacturers who paid the bills and wanted their ads on shows that targeted those who constituted the largest percentage of viewers and had the most money to spend.

As much as you'd love to blame it on the evil racism of the evil white male TV execs, reality does not bear that out.

Plus, your woke narrative can just as easily be described as antisemitism, since most of the TV and movie industry was controlled by Jews.

So are you accusing Jews of being racist and misogynist?

Are you saying they purposely stereotyped their own fellow Jews?

Anyway, given how OVER represented blacks have become in the media today, I'd say they no longer have anything to complain and cry victim about.

You can stay stuck in the past or move forward.



No, what's IRKING (far from breaking) me, is your intellectual dishonesty about everything related to this topic.

Something I've seen before amongst the woke white crowd.

So shackled is your sense of superiority to how relentlessly you "defend" those helpless, downtrodden black people who just can't get a fair shake without mighty whities like YOU on their side.

God, your pontificated proud ignorance is pathetic!

Jewish writers, producers, directors, studio heads were NOT idiots. They knew damned well who was in charge of the country and who was the minority. They also knew what the influential in the majority population (i.e., gentile) felt about them (vast reluctance to enter WW2, the presence of American Bundt camps, Father Coughlin, etc.). So yes, the movies may of had characteristic stereotypes of Jewish characters, but one would notice that they were no where near what the Nazi propagandist films put forth. Remember, some of the classic Christmas movies were from studios headed by Jewish CEO's.

The hitch was that as the years went by, you had successful "blaxploitation films" and black TV sitcoms where the hierarchy writing/directing staff was practically (if not totally) devoid of black folk. That has changed over the years.

I just wanted the reading public to see this corner stone removed from your screed/rant against The Owl Woman.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

You don't find what I suggested absurd?...

Frankly, sir, I find your bitter opinions absurd.

Why do you support pushing your opinions upon others?

 

[Nomad]

You're still at it, bunky?

I mean, you pull all this supposition and conjecture BS out of your posterior as if it's fact. Thing is, you know NOTHING about the history of the brand logos for Aunt Jemima (or Uncle Ben). The Aunt Jemima logo was "tweaked" in the last 50 years to make it less offensive to the black population....Hell, 80 years before that it had changed from it's serious plantation born imagery. Look it up and get back to us when you're educated enough to stop labeling everything you don't like as "woke".

Owwwwww!!!! Stop!!!!!

Stop slapping at me with your weak, limp wrists, girlie man!!!

Like the rest of your woke, phony-ass friends, all you seem to be capable of is dishonesty and throwing emotional hissy fits.

First of all, in case you failed to notice, I'm not the only one still posting in this thread. And.... all I've been doing is responding to those posts.

But hey, I understand how a limp-wristed Nazi fairy like you would get all upset and incensed by something as devastating to you as an opposing point of view.

As for the logo tweaking, yes I know that. I've been around at least as long as your old fairy ass.

If you'll look at the progression of the logos....

.... you'll see that since the 1960's they represented a perfectly normal looking, contemporary black woman.

But more importantly, they never went as far as to kill the name and brand character.

What you seem to be upset about is that they used black woman period.

Racist tranny bitch.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

This Little Mermaid black actor thing is breaking Nomad.

I looked at our theater listings this afternoon. Although I'm not a Disney fan and did not see the original, I just might go see it this week. It's been so long since I've had movie popcorn! And there is nothing wrong with a little escapism. I'll imagine that my youngest g-daughter is watching with me.

Plus air-conditioning.

It's breaking a lot of racists.

I love air conditioning! LOL

 

[Nomad]

Frankly, sir, I find your bitter opinions absurd.

Why do you support pushing your opinions upon others?

Why don't you move to Russia or Iran where unpopular opinions are illegal and punishable by imprisonment or death?

Probably more your kind of place.