Ukranian counteroffensive making inroads

Cypress said:
So if America is invaded in the future by Red China, you have a threshold of damage you think we should sustain before you jump out of your foxhole with the white flag of surrender.

You aren't even willing to take the body blow Ukrainians have taken, so presumably as soon as the Chinese inflict ~100k casualties on us, you would submit and surrender to Red China.
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Russia was provoked many times and allowed no other options...this is our fault.
 
Althea said:
We discussed this a year ago. We agreed to revisit it. You felt (perhaps properly) that by attacking on Russian soil, Ukraine loses the war of appearances.

I disagreed. I didn't believe that Putin would use nukes, and like trump...he needed to be challenged.

Now Ukraine is in shambles, Russia has plenty of Iranian weapons, and the Western world has wasted most of its ammunition blowning thousands of missiles out of the sky. Russia has plenty of oil money to purchase more weaponry, and they're getting better at using the weapons that they have.

I believe Ukraine is still much better are fighting, but they are now suffering the same issues that Russia did w/respect to young men fleeing the country to avoid the war.

Russia will continue to force Ukraine to waste valuable resources chasing missiles aimed at Kiev.
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It's hard for Americans to fathom. We've haven't had a foreign invasion on our soil in 200 years, and American on the home front have never really had to endure, suffer and sacrifice, at least since the civil war. I don't think we can really put ourselves in the mindset of Ukrainians and Russians who have a history and tradition of enduring the worst body blows imaginable and still enduring. That is outside of our mindset and experience

I've always thought Ukraine should have capability of striking into Russia where air and missle operations are being launched from.

I just don't see the effectiveness of bombing civilian targets in Moscow and Saint Petersburg. Russian attacks on Ukrainian infrastructure were a failure, if the goal was to freeze Ukranian civilians through the winter and make them submit. If anything, Russian attacks on civilian infrastructure has just hardened Ukrainian resolve.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
The Russians are firing on all cylinders as Ukraine as a nation is near collapse....this has become a turkey shoot.
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Give a precise and credible explain for why a global military superpower is playing defense against a second rate European nation 18 months after invading.
 
Cypress said:
Give a precise and credible explain for why a global military superpower is playing defense against a second rate European nation 18 months after invading.
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The Russians are in the business of killing Ukrainians, and business has long been spectacularly good.
 
Russia only wants to take the Russian speaking areas, about 40% of Ukraine, which they will finish this year.....after that the only thing that needs to happen is the rump of Ukraine agreeing to be neutral and largely demilitarized. The only other option, the lessor one from Russia's view, is Ukraines unconditional surrender.
 
Cypress said:
So if America is invaded in the future by Red China, you have a threshold of damage you think we should sustain before you jump out of your foxhole with the white flag of surrender.

You aren't even willing to take the body blow Ukrainians have taken, so presumably as soon as the Chinese inflict ~100k casualties on us, you would submit and surrender to Red China.
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They can’t invade us just like we can’t invade them

Besides I’m a woman so I would more than likely be taking care of the wounded or something
 
Tinkerpeach said:
They can’t invade us just like we can’t invade them

Besides I’m a woman so I would more than likely be taking care of the wounded or something
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What's true in the year 2023, will not be true in the year 2065. China's trajectory is that of the world's dominant power.

Doesn't matter if your a woman. You believe in surrender. You don't believe people should fight for the freedom of their country once your personal threshold for damage and casualties is inflicted.
 
Cypress said:
What's true in the year 2023, will not be true in the year 2065. China's trajectory is that of the world's dominant power.

Doesn't matter if your a woman. You believe in surrender. You don't believe people should fight for the freedom of their country once your personal threshold for damage and casualties is inflicted.
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If democrats stay in charge China will be dominant long before 2065
 
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