Twitter from Daily Kos: Healthcare Reform is Dead!

Dixie said:
I am dying to ask a question about health care reform, and I guess this is as good a thread as any to do it... so here goes...

We keep hearing from the left, that healthcare is a "right" ....I don't know that I accept the fact that we were endowed by our Creator with the right to never be sick, but just for the sake of argument, I am willing to give the benefit of doubt on this... it's a right! So, when did it become incumbent upon government to facilitate our every right? When is government going to start subsidizing my guns and ammo? I have the right to bear arms, shouldn't the government provide me with arms if I can't afford them? Shouldn't government be charged with ensuring there is a church in every town? We have the right to worship, but shouldn't the government provide the place of worship for us?
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You tell me, Dixie: can the average American pursue life, liberty & the pursuit of happiness if they are one serious illness or accident away from bankruptcy?

You don't really have to answer that, btw.
 
Onceler said:
You tell me, Dixie: can the average American pursue life, liberty & the pursuit of happiness if they are one serious illness or accident away from bankruptcy?

You don't really have to answer that, btw.
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I'll answer. Yes, they can. Bankruptcy is not the end of all being, it doesn't end the pursuit of happiness. If Walt Disney was alive I'd ask you to talk to him about it, he declared bankruptcy it's possible he might be able to give you a new perspective on it.
 
Onceler said:
You tell me, Dixie: can the average American pursue life, liberty & the pursuit of happiness if they are one serious illness or accident away from bankruptcy?

You don't really have to answer that, btw.
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???....you make it sound as if you think the answer is "no".....liberals constantly amaze me.....
 
Onceler said:
You tell me, Dixie: can the average American pursue life, liberty & the pursuit of happiness if they are one serious illness or accident away from bankruptcy?

You don't really have to answer that, btw.
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Tell me... how does the current plan prevent bankruptcy due to medical expenses???

Oh yeah.... it doesn't.

You know what does.... a plan like the one I have. I pay almost everything during the year up to my deductible of $5k (some preventative care is covered 100% that does not go against the deductible). After that, everything is 100% covered. I know EXACTLY what my maximum out of pocket expense is. Done. No worry about Bankruptcy due to catastrophic medical problems.

My deductible comes from a tax fee HSA account. If I don't use it in a given year... I keep it and can apply it to future years. I can also invest the proceeds of the HSA account. I am single and healthy and I pay $134 per month for this plan. Roughly $1600 per year. Imagine that.
 
Onceler said:
You tell me, Dixie: can the average American pursue life, liberty & the pursuit of happiness if they are one serious illness or accident away from bankruptcy?

You don't really have to answer that, btw.
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I can see by the responses of others why you didn't want me to answer... sort of like giving me a hammer and telling me I don't have to hit you over the head with it! The answer, of course, is YES... they have been doing this for over 230 years in America!
 
Dixie said:
I can see by the responses of others why you didn't want me to answer... sort of like giving me a hammer and telling me I don't have to hit you over the head with it! The answer, of course, is YES... they have been doing this for over 230 years in America!
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230 years ago, or even 30 years ago, a catastrophic illness or accident didn't cost hundreds of thousands of dollars and put you into debt for the rest of your life.

You connie cons can be very detached from reality at times.
 
Onceler said:
230 years ago, or even 30 years ago, a catastrophic illness or accident didn't cost hundreds of thousands of dollars and put you into debt for the rest of your life.

You connie cons can be very detached from reality at times.
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While your point still may stand how many of today's life saving measures were around 30 or 230 years ago?
 
Onceler said:
230 years ago, or even 30 years ago, a catastrophic illness or accident didn't cost hundreds of thousands of dollars and put you into debt for the rest of your life.

You connie cons can be very detached from reality at times.
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yes, and we did not practice defensive medicine like we do today, nor was our country as litigious as it is today. The trial lawyers have made certain their gravy train is not going to be drying up with changes to health care.

You will also note that most people 30 years ago did not have the HMO models that we see in this country today. Nor did they have the low to no deductible plans that paid 100% for the little every year type needs and then split the high cost items 70/30 or 80/20 like most plans do today. That is why more face bankruptcy today than 30 years ago.

But you lefty loons are most certainly detached from those little facts.
 
Superfreak said:
yes, and we did not practice defensive medicine like we do today, nor was our country as litigious as it is today. The trial lawyers have made certain their gravy train is not going to be drying up with changes to health care.

You will also note that most people 30 years ago did not have the HMO models that we see in this country today. Nor did they have the low to no deductible plans that paid 100% for the little every year type needs and then split the high cost items 70/30 or 80/20 like most plans do today. That is why more face bankruptcy today than 30 years ago.

But you lefty loons are most certainly detached from those little facts.
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You always try to change the focus of the debate. I agree on some of those points, particular the legal aspect of costs.

But that wasn't what we were discussing.
 
Onceler said:
You always try to change the focus of the debate. I agree on some of those points, particular the legal aspect of costs.

But that wasn't what we were discussing.
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You were discussing why it is that 30 years ago people didn't face bankruptcy due to medical costs. Were you not?

It does not change the focus of the discussion to point out what else has changed in the last 30 years that has led us to the point where one catastrophic medical emergency can lead to bankruptcy.

Also... do read my other post on how to avoid the bankruptcy problems with a high deductible catastrophic plan.
 
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