BidenPresident
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It was the intention of the US.
Thank God Biden got us out of Afghanistan.
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It was the intention of the US.
Do you have support for this claim or is it just supposition?
BidenPresident
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You never supported your claim.
Geeko Sportivo
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Stupid MORONIC comment! MORONS CANNOT CALL ANYONE ELSE A MORON! That's like the Pot calling the Kettle Black!
During the Obama years, over 100,000 troops were in Afghanistan.
And before he left office, he turned over the presidency to Donald Trump with only 10,000 troops there total.
SO basically, Obama withdrew more troops than any other president- 90,000 to be exact!
So what does either mine or your comments have to do with what Biden faced as he brought the remaining troops home?
Did you think that your comment was somehow a plug for Trump?
WEAK DUDE! WEAK!
You seem to be the King of asinine comments around here! DO YOU JUST ENJOY HEARING YOURSELF RAMBLE ON?
Keep em' coming and we will have to start calling you HAWKEYE JR.
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All those years and they left the place in worse shape than they started. The facts speak for themselves.
BidenPresident
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Agree. What Bush's intention was by invading Iraq--to ruin the nation and control their oil.
Bush could have captured bin Laden and instead let him go. Agree, facts speak for themselves.
T. A. Gardner
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Or, maybe he recognized that Saddam Hussein supported and helped terrorist groups worldwide, even if Al Qaeda wasn't one of them, and wanted to end that shit ASAP.
That sentence makes ZERO sense.
BidenPresident
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Even President Bush did not claim Hussein was supporting terrorism.
BidenPresident
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What did you not understand?
Bush had bin Laden surrounded at Tora Bora. They were ordered to end the siege and allow bin Laden to escape.
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T. A. Gardner
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Yes, he did. And, if you were paying attention, which obviously you weren't, you'd know it too as it was widely reported at the time. For example, Saddam paid the equivalent of $10,000 to families of Palestinians that carried out "Martyr" attacks on Israel. That was a king's ransom back in the 90's for a Palestinian family. Just before the US invaded, a woman hiding in Bagdad who was a member of the 1970's / 80's Red Brigades in Germany fled the country and turned herself in to German authorities to avoid US capture. She was wanted for numerous bombings of nightclubs in Germany where US troops went.
Another incident shortly before the invasion was the Philippines tossed out several Iraqi diplomats who were meeting with Muslim terrorist groups in that country and funding their operations.
https://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/infocus/iraq/decade/sect5.html
https://centerforsecuritypolicy.org/the-truth-about-saddam-and-terrorism-2/
https://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=129914&page=1
https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-l...s-failed-counterstrike-terrorism-and-gulf-war
There was tons of evidence Saddam Hussien was involved in supporting terrorists worldwide and up to his eyeballs in it.
BidenPresident
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Instead,
the U.S. command chose to rely on airstrikes and untrained
Afghan militias to attack bin Laden and on Pakistan's loosely
organized Frontier Corps to seal his escape routes. On or
around December 16, two days after writing his will, bin Laden
and an entourage of bodyguards walked unmolested out of Tora
Bora and disappeared into Pakistan's unregulated tribal area.
Most analysts say he is still there today.
The decision not to deploy American forces to go after bin
Laden or block his escape was made by Secretary of Defense
Donald Rumsfeld and his top commander, Gen. Tommy Franks, the
architects of the unconventional Afghan battle plan known as
Operation Enduring Freedom.
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CPRT-111SPRT53709/html/CPRT-111SPRT53709.htm
BidenPresident
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I never read past personal attacks.
I don't think the oil thing makes sense. People gave the same explanation for our involvement in Vietnam. It is the old Marxist "war profiteering" claim used in many conflicts.
BidenPresident
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I don't see what Marx has to do with this issue. Imperialism is as old as human civilization.
The economic motivation for action
BidenPresident
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Like all acts of war from the first time our species walked on two feet.
T. A. Gardner
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Bullshit. That's just political spin. The battle there was far more complex.
https://newrepublic.com/article/72086/the-battle-tora-bora
That appears to be the most detailed, and least biased, version of events there.
BidenPresident
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Right. And Obama grabbing bin Laden in Pakistan and throwing the body in the ocean with no proof is more credible?!
T. A. Gardner
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It's more complex than that. At that time, the US military, and pretty much the political consensus regardless of party, was that US casualties were unacceptable. The concept of a 'bloodless' war had taken hold in the military and with politicians and in that vein the US military was highly reluctant to press a ground campaign into extremely rugged territory where they knew there'd be lots of casualties.
Instead, the US decided to minimize ground presence and use Afghan forces to do the ground fighting while bombing the snot out of Tora Bora. For the time, again, this was a pretty common and usual pattern of combat for the US military. It was used in Kosovo, in the first Gulf War, and even in the invasion of Iraq in general. Minimizing casualties was prioritized, and it wasn't something Bush decided on. Clinton did the same thing during his term in office, and Obama followed the same pattern.
T. A. Gardner
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A red herring defense won't work.