What TARP money for jobs???

Dixie said:
I've taken two sides on this issue and many others. There is the side I have consistently been on, and there are the myriad of sides my alter egos have put forth. The only reason I am talking about "intangible assets" is because I have no idea what I am saying and thus keep tossing out terms hoping that people will not realize how ignorant I am.

We have to delineate what is meant by "our net worth" here... You see, I know you keep telling me which one we are talking about, but I really insist upon continuing to ask this same idiotic question because I am trying really really hard to get someone anyone...please just one of you... to agree that my insane moronic definition of the country's net worth is somehow relevant. Are we talking about the collective net worth's of all individual American citizens and all American corporations, along with all Government assets and holdings? Because if that is the case, then I am indeed a fucking retard.

Now, we also have two different things to delineate (do you recognize that my saying delineate makes me sound really smart to my other personalities?) with regard to US government debt. Look out now, but I am going to go off on another insane tangent and hope that by typing lots of words I will again seem smart to just one of you.... PLEASE... just one of you tell me how smart I am. Now even the voices are telling me I am a fucking retard. Ok... here is my tangent. Are we talking about actual accrued US debt including the unfunded liabilities? That is in excess of $106 trillion! Are we talking about "expenditure" debt? That is around $54 trillion. After revenue and "intake" is accounted for (and this comes from various sources), our DEFICIT is $12 trillion, meaning we have a national debt of $12 trillion.

We have what amounts to a semantics argument here with Superfreak... something else he is infamous for! (I keep claiming this, because I know at least three of my other personalities believe it... that is a consensus baby!) He wants to consider "our country" to be the collective assets of every entity in the country (I mean seriously... who thinks of ALL the assets in the country when they try to talk about the country's net worth... well except for EVERYONE but me)...If we are talking about the 'net worth' of our government, the national debt is a fairly good standard for that, because it is debt we have incurred because of revenue shortfalls (I am continuing to ignore the very simple definition of net worth... because if I actually include the assets of the Federal Government, then well.... it would make me look like a fucking retard again). If we had more revenues traditionally coming in than we were spending, there would be no national debt, there would be a national surplus.

The only thing I can see you guys demonstrating here, is my profound retardation and gross misunderstanding of terms used in the debate.
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I mean seriously... who thinks of ALL the assets in the country when they try to talk about the country's net worth... well except for EVERYONE but me
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Why do you think this is what I am saying? I think I clearly asked you which "our country" do you mean, and you have not answered that question. I can't assume you mean one "our country" and use facts regarding another completely different "our country" can I? Nor can I allow you to use one set of numbers which apply to one version of "our country" to support an argument against a point made about another version of "our country" because that would be invalid. Are you following this?

You see Superfreak, for whatever reason.... maybe I pissed in your cornflakes about the war or gay marriage, or maybe my support of Bush as president.... something I did has angered you... to the point of being obsessed with 'besting' me in debate by any means necessary. So you create these absurd and ridiculous arguments that I never made, and try to get me to make some erroneous comment you can jump on, or articulate a point in a way you can distort what I said, for the sole purpose of having a 'gotchya' moment. This gives you some form of personal gratification, even though you come off as a complete asshole jerk for doing it.

The National Debt is a cumulative total of instruments of debt belonging to the US Government. The National Debt exists because each year, we have a Budget Deficit.... this is where our government spends more money than it takes in from revenues. The National Debt exists because we lack the 'liquid assets' to pay our deficit each year. If we had the resources to pay the deficit, it wouldn't be added to the National Debt. The US Government does own tangible and intangible assets, but these are not liquid assets, and have nothing to do with the National Debt, other than being a 'source of collateral' for loans from China and such.

When we say things like "our net worth" we need to qualify what "our" is being talked about... our nation, our government, our collective individual+state+corporate+federal assets and expenditures? They are all different things, and one 'argument' or 'point' doesn't apply to all instances of "our" net worth. When I state that the "net worth" (note the quotation marks) of our nation is -$12 trillion, I am not talking about the collective assets and expenditures of every citizen plus the corporations and the government, I am talking about our US Federal Government itself... since that is what the "National Debt" is referring to. If you want to turn my argument into something else, that's fine, it's a free country, but it is no longer MY argument, it becomes YOURS!
 
Dix, if you make $50K per year, own a house worth $300K, owe $10K in Credit cards and a mortgage for $200K, have $125K in your 401K....

You still have $210K in debt, but you have equity in your assets and are worth more than you owe. It doesn't make the debt disappear, but you have a positive net worth. The US definitely has a positive net worth, even with the debt we have accrued as a whole.

Anyway, you would add up the assets (what the stuff is worth) then subtract the debt (your liabilities) and you would get your net worth. Debt doesn't wipe out the value of your asset.
 
Damocles said:
Dix, if you make $50K per year, own a house worth $300K, owe $10K in Credit cards and a mortgage for $200K, have $125K in your 401K....

You still have $210K in debt, but you have equity in your assets and are worth more than you owe. It doesn't make the debt disappear, but you have a positive net worth. The US definitely has a positive net worth, even with the debt we have accrued as a whole.

Anyway, you would add up the assets (what the stuff is worth) then subtract the debt (your liabilities) and you would get your net worth. Debt doesn't wipe out the value of your asset.
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I understand what is being said about net worth.... that is why, when I used the term, I put it in quotation marks. This means I am not really talking about literal net worth, but rather, what is effectively the net of our worth. The US Government is not going to sell the Washington Monument to pay down the debt! Ain't going to happen! So why would the government's non-liquid assets have anything to do with the national debt or how much we are worth in terms of real credit? For all intents and purposes, the national debt IS our "net worth" because we aren't going to liquidate assets to pay our debtors.
 
Dixie said:
Why do you think this is what I am saying? I think I clearly asked you which "our country" do you mean, and you have not answered that question.
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Ditzie... READ THE FUCKING THREAD.... ONLY IN YOUR INSANE FUCKING WORLD IS THEIR MORE THAN ONE 'OUR COUNTRY'. That said, I DID address your ignorant fucking fantasy world where 'our country' to YOU was JUST the federal government. YOU FUCKING RETARD.

Dixie said:
The National Debt is a cumulative total of instruments of debt belonging to the US Government. The National Debt exists because each year, we have a Budget Deficit.... this is where our government spends more money than it takes in from revenues.
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Gee... thanks ditzie... you have successfully repeated the correct definition of our debt. The one I GAVE TO YOU 100 fucking posts ago. You fucking retard.

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Dixie said:
The National Debt exists because we lack the 'liquid assets' to pay our deficit each year. If we had the resources to pay the deficit, it wouldn't be added to the National Debt.
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No you fucking retard, that is not correct. We have the assets to do so... many of which are liquid. We CHOOSE to use DEBT rather than to sell the assets to pay the debt. You fucking retard.

Dixie said:
The US Government does own tangible and intangible assets, but these are not liquid assets, and have nothing to do with the National Debt, other than being a 'source of collateral' for loans from China and such.
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Wrong again you fucking retard. While we do have assets that are not liquid, we also have assets that ARE liquid. We CHOOSE to use DEBT rather than sell assets. You fucking retard. But this again has NOTHING to do with your absurd 'net worth' comment.

Dixie said:
When I state that the "net worth" (note the quotation marks) of our nation is -$12 trillion, I am not talking about the collective assets and expenditures of every citizen plus the corporations and the government, I am talking about our US Federal Government itself... since that is what the "National Debt" is referring to. If you want to turn my argument into something else, that's fine, it's a free country, but it is no longer MY argument, it becomes YOURS!
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Wow... so when you put quotes around Net Worth, that means we should all ignore the actual meanings of the words in quotes and we should just GUESS that means you are converting "net worth" into "national Debt"?????

Is that seriously how you are going to spin your ignorance ditzie? YOU FUCKING RETARD.
 
dixtard's version of net worth excludes assets. LOFL

No wonder you love NASCAR, only left turns to keep track of.
 
Topspin said:
dixtard's version of net worth excludes assets. LOFL

No wonder you love NASCAR, only left turns to keep track of.
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ditzie is curled up in the fetal position right now whispering over and over to his multiple personalities....

'why don't they like me, why don't they think I am smart, why do they mock me, why don't they like me... '

his other personalities respond in unison....

'because you are a fucking retard'
 
Ditzie... READ THE FUCKING THREAD.... ONLY IN YOUR INSANE FUCKING WORLD IS THEIR MORE THAN ONE 'OUR COUNTRY'. That said, I DID address your ignorant fucking fantasy world where 'our country' to YOU was JUST the federal government. YOU FUCKING RETARD.
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I think I explained myself very clearly.
1.) Our Country - The collective households, businesses, and government entities which make up "our country."
2.) Our Country - The United States Federal Government.
3.) Our Country - The collective states which comprise "our country."
4.) Our Country - Song by John Mellencamp

So there are four distinctly different versions of what one can mean when they say "our country." And maybe you are so profoundly retarded you don't understand that terms and words can have different meanings, but believe me little retard, they indeed can!

No you fucking retard, that is not correct. We have the assets to do so... many of which are liquid. We CHOOSE to use DEBT rather than to sell the assets to pay the debt. You fucking retard.
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Read again moron... We don't have the "LIQUID" assets, or we would use them! There is no reason to choose credit over liquid assets, other than being stupid and retarded and liking to pay interest! Yes, we do choose to use debt rather than sell non-liquid assets. We also create liquid assets by running the printing press at the US Treasury! Some of our debt is indeed paid for with liquid assets, but we don't have enough liquid assets to pay all of our debt, and we can't create that much liquid asset without destroying the dollar, so we borrow it.

Wow... so when you put quotes around Net Worth, that means we should all ignore the actual meanings of the words in quotes and we should just GUESS that means you are converting "net worth" into "national Debt"?????
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No... quotes around a word mean you are figuratively speaking, not literally speaking as you erroneously concluded. This is something most 8th graders learned in English Lit... I guess you were asleep that day? First of all, it is probably impossible to accurately tabulate the net worth of collective America (people+companies+governments debt/assets) And what would that have to do with the economy, the budget, our national debt, or anything else we are discussing? So, if you want to ignorantly presume I used a word in quotes to signify a literal meaning for something that would be totally pointless to this discussion, then that is your prerogative, but not what I stated!

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I would like to say, while it has been swell arguing with Super, Damo, and Yurt about what National Debt is, or the fact that our nation is $12 trillion in the hole, this thread was supposed to be about the hijacking of TARP by the Executive branch, without so much as a peep from our elected representatives. I would think people like Super, Yurt, and Damo, would be alarmed and outraged over President Obama laying claim to hundreds of billions to fund his political agenda... but they had rather divert the thread topic and bash on Dixie for not using words the way they think he should! This should tell every one of you, exactly where these "libertarian" types are... they aren't what they claim at all... they are FRAUDS! Left-wing hacks who are too chicken shit to admit they are left wing hacks, so they HIDE behind this "libertarian" bullshit while they attack anything or anyone from the right. They aren't part of the solution, they are a big part of the fucking problem!
 
Dixie said:
I think I explained myself very clearly. I am a fucking retard.

1.) Our Country - me and the voices
2.) Our Country - whatever shit I pull from my ass
3.) Our Country - after the shit I sometimes piss myself because I am a fucking retard
4.) Our Country - my mom says I am really special, why don't you all like me?

So there are four distinctly different versions of my normal bullshit. If you cannot tell the difference between one form of my bullshit and another, well then I will just pretend that I am the smartest person in the world. The fact that everyone thinks I am an idiot who continually contradicts myself is irrelevant, because I already forgot what I was supposed to be talking about and thus am just rambling along with nonsensical crap in the hopes that if I type a long enough sentence most people won't bother to read it and discover that I am indeed a fucking retard.

Read again... I am a moron... We don't have the "LIQUID" assets (you see,I say this again despite the fact that you just pointed out we DO indeed have liquid assets that we dont use.) , or we would use them! There is no reason to choose credit over liquid assets, other than being stupid and retarded and liking to pay interest! (yes, I do realize that is EXACTLY what we do) Yes, we do choose to use debt rather than sell non-liquid assets. We also create liquid assets by running the printing press at the US Treasury! (golly gee I hope this one sticks, because that one sounded really smart as I typed it. Oh shit, I hope that is right because if they mock me again I might start to believe I am truly a fucking retard)

Some of our debt is indeed paid for with liquid assets, but we don't have enough liquid assets to pay all of our debt, and we can't create that much liquid asset without destroying the dollar, so we borrow it. (Wow... that was tough pulling that one out of my ass. It kind of hurt. Made my brain freeze. You know, like when you eat ice cream to fast and what was my point again? Oh yeah, I am a fucking retard.)

No... quotes around a word mean you are figuratively speaking, not literally speaking as you erroneously concluded. This is something most 8th graders learned in English Lit... I guess you were asleep that day? First of all, it is probably impossible to accurately tabulate the net worth of collective America (people+companies+governments debt/assets) And what would that have to do with the economy, the budget, our national debt, or anything else we are discussing? So, if you want to ignorantly presume I used a word in quotes to signify a literal meaning for something that would be totally pointless to this discussion, then that is your prerogative, but not what I stated! *seriously... at least three of my voices are laughing at this bullshit... shut up...quit mocking me... I am smart! Quit IT! they will believe me... if they don't I can always repeat what they said and then pretend it was my original thought. I AM not a fucking retard... please won't someone be nice to me... won't someone tell me I am smart... fuck me... I am a retard aren't I*

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I would like to say, I am sofa king we todd did!
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Dixie said:
I think I explained myself very clearly.
1.) Our Country - The collective households, businesses, and government entities which make up "our country."
2.) Our Country - The United States Federal Government.
3.) Our Country - The collective states which comprise "our country."
4.) Our Country - Song by John Mellencamp

So there are four distinctly different versions of what one can mean when they say "our country." And maybe you are so profoundly retarded you don't understand that terms and words can have different meanings, but believe me little retard, they indeed can!



Read again moron... We don't have the "LIQUID" assets, or we would use them! There is no reason to choose credit over liquid assets, other than being stupid and retarded and liking to pay interest! Yes, we do choose to use debt rather than sell non-liquid assets. We also create liquid assets by running the printing press at the US Treasury! Some of our debt is indeed paid for with liquid assets, but we don't have enough liquid assets to pay all of our debt, and we can't create that much liquid asset without destroying the dollar, so we borrow it.



No... quotes around a word mean you are figuratively speaking, not literally speaking as you erroneously concluded. This is something most 8th graders learned in English Lit... I guess you were asleep that day? First of all, it is probably impossible to accurately tabulate the net worth of collective America (people+companies+governments debt/assets) And what would that have to do with the economy, the budget, our national debt, or anything else we are discussing? So, if you want to ignorantly presume I used a word in quotes to signify a literal meaning for something that would be totally pointless to this discussion, then that is your prerogative, but not what I stated!

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I would like to say, while it has been swell arguing with Super, Damo, and Yurt about what National Debt is, or the fact that our nation is $12 trillion in the hole, this thread was supposed to be about the hijacking of TARP by the Executive branch, without so much as a peep from our elected representatives. I would think people like Super, Yurt, and Damo, would be alarmed and outraged over President Obama laying claim to hundreds of billions to fund his political agenda... but they had rather divert the thread topic and bash on Dixie for not using words the way they think he should! This should tell every one of you, exactly where these "libertarian" types are... they aren't what they claim at all... they are FRAUDS! Left-wing hacks who are too chicken shit to admit they are left wing hacks, so they HIDE behind this "libertarian" bullshit while they attack anything or anyone from the right. They aren't part of the solution, they are a big part of the fucking problem!
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Dix, you clearly didn't read my posts. The only thing I have done, after simply pointing out what the TARP legislation said and agreeing with you that more stimulus isn't the answer when the first stimulus has been so desperately full of phail, is tell you and explain simply why debt does not mean you have negative equity as a whole.
 
Dixie said:
When all else fails, start behaving like a 12-year-old! Bravo, Freak!
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Hey, Dix - do you by any chance remember writing this?

"FREAK AND ONZIES SITTIN IN A TREE... K-I-S-S-I-N-G...
FIRST COMES LOVE, THEN GAY MARRIAGE...
THEN CUMS FREAK WITH THE KY BUTTLUBE!"

LOL
 
Dix, you clearly didn't read my posts. The only thing I have done, after simply pointing out what the TARP legislation said and agreeing with you that more stimulus isn't the answer when the first stimulus has been so desperately full of phail, is tell you and explain simply why debt does not mean you have negative equity as a whole.
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It is a superfluous point to make about debt or "national worth" and about usurption of power by the Executive Branch. I already understood that debt does not mean you have negative equity, and our government (country) certainly has total assets in excess of the national debt. Those have never been my argument, or even remotely related to it. We aren't going to sell the Washington Momument or the Capitol building... we aren't going to auction off Fort Knox... so those 'assets' are fixed, intangible, and non-liquid. They have nothing to do with our "worth" as a country (government). Yes, technically speaking, they are assets which offset our national debt, and on paper, make us a solvent entity. I never claimed otherwise, but that doesn't seem to stop some people from assuming that is what I meant when I said "our 'net worth' is -$12 trillion!"

My original point of dicussion is lost when we meander off into this silly and ridiculous debate over terminoligy and semantics. So is that 'by design'? Do you, Yurt, and Super just want to derail the topic and find something "wrong" in what I typed or how I stated some trivial detail of what we are discussing? It would appear, since this continues to happen in this thread and every other thread I post, that would be the case!
 
Dixie said:
When all else fails, start behaving like a 12-year-old! Bravo, Freak!
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LMAO... when you consistently repeat the same bullshit and proclaim that no one answered your pathetic attempts at spinning out of your own ignorance, then you are going to get treated like the idiot you are. You obviously are too fucking retarded to comprehend any language we use in the real world.
 
Dixie said:
I don't even know what the fuck you are talking about, moron! Our NET worth is NEGATIVE $12 TRILLION!
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yeah.... ditzie NEVER stated the above.

Oh wait I know... He MEANT to put quotes around net worth in the above so that we would all know he didn't REAAAALLY mean net worth, but rather meant national debt. Of course it was all our fault that the fucking retard didn't simply SAY what he meant. Instead we get a 70 post spinfest where he is desperately trying to get to the actual FACTS we pointed out to him days ago.
 
Superfreak said:
yeah.... ditzie NEVER stated the above.

Oh wait I know... He MEANT to put quotes around net worth in the above so that we would all know he didn't REAAAALLY mean net worth, but rather meant national debt. Of course it was all our fault that the fucking retard didn't simply SAY what he meant. Instead we get a 70 post spinfest where he is desperately trying to get to the actual FACTS we pointed out to him days ago.
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It's regrettable you can't find the words in the English language to articulate your thoughts and ideas, and have to resort to petty name-calling instead. I once thought you were someone who had some level of intellect, and most of the time, you made good arguments against the left. I now believe you are an idiot, incapable of rational thought and unable to discern even the slightest nuance in grammatical prose. Instead of searching for what we both agree on (which I am sure is plenty), you've decided that you are NOT going to agree with me or be agreeable with me, for any reason... even if we agree! That is unfortunate.

Yes... our "NET WORTH" ....What this nation is legitimately WORTH at the moment, is -$12 trillion! I said it, I meant it, I don't back down from it! We can't count our non-liquid assets against the national debt, because we have no intentions of selling non-liquid assets, so it simply doesn't matter and doesn't factor in to what this nation is legitimately WORTH! Of course, technically, our non-liquid assets keep us from being insolvent, but that is not what I am saying or what I have said. You keep trying to pin this on me, as if my comments were intended literally to mean, that our calculated "net worth" as a nation, is -$12 trillion, and that isn't what I said.

Now go ahead and reel off another paragraph of name-calling and vile hateful attacks on me personally, because that is all your FRAUDULENT petty ass has! That's ALL the fuck you got going for you, LOSER... so EN-FUCKING-JOY it!
 
Dixie said:
Yes... our "NET WORTH" ....What this nation is legitimately WORTH at the moment, is -$12 trillion! I said it, I meant it, I don't back down from it! We can't count our non-liquid assets against the national debt, because we have no intentions of selling non-liquid assets, so it simply doesn't matter and doesn't factor in to what this nation is legitimately WORTH! Of course, technically, our non-liquid assets keep us from being insolvent, but that is not what I am saying or what I have said. You keep trying to pin this on me, as if my comments were intended literally to mean, that our calculated "net worth" as a nation, is -$12 trillion, and that isn't what I said.

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Dixie said:
I don't even know what the fuck you are talking about, moron! Our NET worth is NEGATIVE $12 TRILLION!
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actually dear little ditzie... that is EXACTLY what you said.
 
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