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wiseones2cents

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I've said it all along. The real threat to the USA is Mexico, South America. Thanks to a flourishing drug trade fueled by USA consumers.

More and more gangs are heading north and there was a huge bust in California today. Mexico is out of control and these gangs are causing alot of
trouble along the border. Killings,kidnappings, ect...

The US army should be in Mexico and South America. Destroying the drug crops and then seeking out these criminals.

They pose a bigger threat then Al-Qaeda which was fabricated by the Pentagon.

Here is the disgusting news. These guys are worse then terrorists.They need to be stmped out.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20091222/wl_csm/270273
 
wiseones2cents said:
I've said it all along. The real threat to the USA is Mexico, South America. Thanks to a flourishing drug trade fueled by USA consumers.

More and more gangs are heading north and there was a huge bust in California today. Mexico is out of control and these gangs are causing alot of
trouble along the border. Killings,kidnappings, ect...

The US army should be in Mexico and South America. Destroying the drug crops and then seeking out these criminals.

They pose a bigger threat then Al-Qaeda which was fabricated by the Pentagon.

Here is the disgusting news. These guys are worse then terrorists.They need to be stmped out.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20091222/wl_csm/270273
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Yeah, we tried that. Didn't work out so good apparently. Legalization is the only true way to reduce their power.
 
I can see legalizing marijuana, but cocaine? It's hard to imagine that we'd ever do that.

But yeah - this is a major issue...
 
Onceler said:
I can see legalizing marijuana, but cocaine? It's hard to imagine that we'd ever do that.

But yeah - this is a major issue...
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Why not coke?

While I understand people under the influence of coke might become too impaired to drive and/or may tend to become more violent, I don't see how legalizing the drug will be bad overall.

Penalize those who commit ACTUAL crimes under the influence.

I would be willing to bet the number of coke related violent crimes committed with coke being legal would turn out to be far less than the number of violent crimes relating to coke when it is illegal.
 
Most crimes committed by drug users are because they don't have the money to get the drug because the laws against drugs make drugs far to expensive. If they were able to afford the drugs they wouldn't generally commit a crime.
 
Superfreak said:
Why not coke?

While I understand people under the influence of coke might become too impaired to drive and/or may tend to become more violent, I don't see how legalizing the drug will be bad overall.

Penalize those who commit ACTUAL crimes under the influence.

I would be willing to bet the number of coke related violent crimes committed with coke being legal would turn out to be far less than the number of violent crimes relating to coke when it is illegal.
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I think he's talking about actual possibilities, not what he actually supports.
 
wanderingbear said:
Most crimes committed by drug users are because they don't have the money to get the drug because the laws against drugs make drugs far to expensive. If they were able to afford the drugs they wouldn't generally commit a crime.
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Yeah, if we just gave them enough to destroy their lives for free they'd just go away quietly...

Legalize it, but don't ignore that drug use can become a problem. To a certain extent we are responsible for each other.
 
Damocles said:
Yeah, if we just gave them enough to destroy their lives for free they'd just go away quietly...

Legalize it, but don't ignore that drug use can become a problem. To a certain extent we are responsible for each other.
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Im not saying to ignore the personal problems that drugs can cause. Im just saying that haveing them illegal causes the drugs to become more dangerous then they would be if they were legal.
 
It's a tough one for me. I have always supported legalizing marijuana in a big way; it's a more harmless drug than alcohol.

Coke to me is much more of a "hard" drug, like heroin. Very addictive & potentially destructive. That would have to be weighed against the growing control & violence of the cartels; in the long run, it's probably better to legalize it so as to debilitate their influence, but it's still a scary thought. I don't want America to be like Amsterdam.

It's probably a moot point; while I think the movement to legalize pot is gaining real traction, I think legalizing coke or any harder drug would be kryptonite politically...
 
wanderingbear said:
Im not saying to ignore the personal problems that drugs can cause. Im just saying that haveing them illegal causes the drugs to become more dangerous then they would be if they were legal.
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I'm not disagreeing. I'm just reminding people that it wouldn't solve all issues.

One thing that it would do is make it so many people wouldn't be fired for using the stuff. Even if you had a card, if you work where I do you'll still get fired if you pop for it. It is still illegal, even if your state says it's okay.
 
Damocles said:
I'm not disagreeing. I'm just reminding people that it wouldn't solve all issues.

One thing that it would do is make it so many people wouldn't be fired for using the stuff. Even if you had a card, if you work where I do you'll still get fired if you pop for it. It is still illegal, even if your state says it's okay.
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Actually thats changed recently. Obama has instructed the D.E.A. not to go after legal medical marijuana users and growers.
 
wanderingbear said:
Actually thats changed recently. Obama has instructed the D.E.A. not to go after legal medical marijuana users and growers.
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Which doesn't change the company policy one iota. As long as the drugs are illegal, we'll get fired for it. Even if the state says it is okay.
 
wanderingbear said:
Then dont work for that company.
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I don't particularly care. I don't do the drugs anyway. Too many of my family go too far even with the simplest of drugs for me to play like that.

I was making the point that making it legal would change this for many places, so that people won't lose their jobs if they are functioning users.
 
Anyone that even suggests legalizing cocaine, has not seen its destruction first hand. I have been raised around criminals and its not pretty.

Yes the drug profits will be out of the hands of bad men, though at the same time, use will over all increase just like it did with Alcohol.

We will have more addicts, more thefts, more prostitution, more violence, more schizophrenic, paranoid wack jobs, more compulsive liars, its not pretty....

Our society will go faster down the tubes then it already is, though judging by the amount of drugs getting into the country? The DEA is a just a multi billion dollar Beaurocracy that needs drugs to justify its existence. I would not be surprise if they are bringing the drugs in themselves. I have seen all kinds of stranger things. If the governemnt really wanted to stomp out drugs? Believe me they can.....

Pot? I have considered the possibility of legalizing it. It is actually better than Alcohol. Alcohol should have never been legalized either. Unless EVERYONE had a limit and anyone caught over that limit, even in your own house? Would be punished.

Though I think that weed also is a gateway drug. If you smoke enough of it you become immune and you will seek harder drugs.....If you dont you will have withdrawls and be depressed all the time. If people were to just smoke it recreationally as opposed to being cronic, that would be different but how can we regulate pot consuption among individuals?

There are other reasons I oppose legalizing weed.

Do we justify exposing our children to these things directly or indirectly(increased crime as a result of legalization, especially in the case of cocaine)? Just to take away money from the criminals hands?

The real drug dealers are untouchable and they are the upstanding citizens. The super wealthy. Though they never actually touch any of the drugs. This is why they never get caught. And this is why the drugs keep flowing. They just find another patsy to move it when one gets busted.

The only way to beat them is to destroy drug crops(if they are large they are easy to find), but the government doesn't do this because they are in on the action.

I say no to legalization. I say destroy the bread and butter of the criminals. Destroy the crops.
 
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