Outstanding Article

apple0154 said:
I don't know how you could interpret what I said that way.

Obama does not want people to be distracted from the health plan. One thing at a time.
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Being the 'leader of the free world' calls for the ability to multi-task and be flexible. It's not a nice little box where I'm going to do this first and then I'm going to do this and so on. Again it's what being a leader is all about.

I'm begginning to wonder if you even know what leadership is.
 
cawacko said:
Being the 'leader of the free world' calls for the ability to multi-task and be flexible. It's not a nice little box where I'm going to do this first and then I'm going to do this and so on. Again it's what being a leader is all about.

I'm begginning to wonder if you even know what leadership is.
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After eight years of Bush I know what it isn't and it isn't jumping all over the place to get ones picture in the paper.

Wouldn't it be a pleasant change to see something actually get done? Started, worked on, then finished. Then move on to the next priority.

We've seen the co-operation Obama got when he first entered office. He knows that anything he proposes is going to be attacked. Why would he give his opponents time to build a case against something he may want to implement two or three years from now?

A good leader anticipates his opponent's objections so when they do come up he has an answer. It's called "thinking things through".

Like when one starts a war they're supposed to have a plan on how to finish it. Not just play it by ear or, worse yet, change direction and invade another country before the first war has concluded.

We've seen plenty of attempts at multi-tasking in the past. More appropriately defined as "multi-fiasco-ing".
 
apple0154 said:
Unfortunately, it's not the absolute best. It is only a start to a universal plan, plans which all developed countries have.

It's the fault of the opposition why the plan is anything but the absolute best. The opposition doesn't want any plan so to think an absolute best plan could be implemented is dreaming in technicolor.

But it is a start and considering government has been trying to implement a plan since the 1940's, as I noted in msg. 126, ANY plan deserves a full round of applause. We'll be finally out of the gate, so to say.

As people experience the, as of yet, unimaginable benefits successive governments will improve the plan. History will look back on "today" as the turning point championed by a great leader.

(It that partisan enough for you?) :rofl:
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But to show confidence in the system, shouldn't our representatives in the Congress and the Senate be obligated to sign on and use it??
 
apple0154 said:
After eight years of Bush I know what it isn't and it isn't jumping all over the place to get ones picture in the paper.

Wouldn't it be a pleasant change to see something actually get done? Started, worked on, then finished. Then move on to the next priority.

We've seen the co-operation Obama got when he first entered office. He knows that anything he proposes is going to be attacked. Why would he give his opponents time to build a case against something he may want to implement two or three years from now?

A good leader anticipates his opponent's objections so when they do come up he has an answer. It's called "thinking things through".

Like when one starts a war they're supposed to have a plan on how to finish it. Not just play it by ear or, worse yet, change direction and invade another country before the first war has concluded.

We've seen plenty of attempts at multi-tasking in the past. More appropriately defined as "multi-fiasco-ing".
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Wow, just wow. I hope you are on Obama's payroll.

"He knows anything he proposes is going to get attacked." - Did you just start following politics this year?

You have no idea what a leader is. You're trying to twist the definition to fit into your partisan story here.

You are moving dangerously close to Desh territory. Congratulations sir.
 
cawacko said:
Wow, just wow. I hope you are on Obama's payroll.

"He knows anything he proposes is going to get attacked." - Did you just start following politics this year?

You have no idea what a leader is. You're trying to twist the definition to fit into your partisan story here.

You are moving dangerously close to Desh territory. Congratulations sir.
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It's OK. I understand your frustration at seeing a health care package voted on. Some folks just don't like progress. Some folks are upset a Democratic President, once again, has crossed a threshold in social reform.

As I mentioned before we'll have a chance to view Obama's record at the end of his first term. For now, less than one year in office, the country is on it's way to a medical plan. Can you think of a better Christmas gift?

Cheers to you and yours! :party:
 
apple0154 said:
It's OK. I understand your frustration at seeing a health care package voted on. Some folks just don't like progress. Some folks are upset a Democratic President, once again, has crossed a threshold in social reform.

As I mentioned before we'll have a chance to view Obama's record at the end of his first term. For now, less than one year in office, the country is on it's way to a medical plan. Can you think of a better Christmas gift?

Cheers to you and yours! :party:
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LOL... not at all. We were having a discussion on leadership and what it encompasses and entails. It was not (at least on my part) a discussion of whether I like Bush or Obama. You kind of turned it into a 'Bush sucks' 'Obama's great' type deal.

There is nothing wrong with being partisan as I'm partisan myself. I just thought we were having a real conversation not the normal partisan b.s. that usually gets spewed back and forth. Unfortunately I was wrong.

Merry Christmas to you.
 
cawacko said:
LOL... not at all. We were having a discussion on leadership and what it encompasses and entails. It was not (at least on my part) a discussion of whether I like Bush or Obama. You kind of turned it into a 'Bush sucks' 'Obama's great' type deal.

There is nothing wrong with being partisan as I'm partisan myself. I just thought we were having a real conversation not the normal partisan b.s. that usually gets spewed back and forth. Unfortunately I was wrong.

Merry Christmas to you.
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You weren't wrong. We were and are discussing leadership.

Obama got a medical bill passed. Something leaders have been trying to do for a long, long time. That is leadership.

No photo ops. No grandstanding. No borrowing someone's "uniform" and standing in an operating theater pretending to be a doctor.

Thank God those days are over.
 
apple0154 said:
You weren't wrong. We were and are discussing leadership.

Obama got a medical bill passed. Something leaders have been trying to do for a long, long time. That is leadership.

No photo ops. No grandstanding. No borrowing someone's "uniform" and standing in an operating theater pretending to be a doctor.

Thank God those days are over.
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Uh, it actually hasn't been passed yet. And getting someone passed on a partisan vote isn't showing all that much leadership.

Hell Bush got the Iraq vote passed with quite a few Democratic votes. That's tremendous leadership by your standard.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
By doing so, they would be able to show that they truly believe that this is better then the system we now have.
It's beginning to look like you don't truly believe in this new plan.
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It's better than having no insurance. No one is obliged to give up the plan they have so why the objection?
 
cawacko said:
Uh, it actually hasn't been passed yet. And getting someone passed on a partisan vote isn't showing all that much leadership.

Hell Bush got the Iraq vote passed with quite a few Democratic votes. That's tremendous leadership by your standard.
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Leadership is getting the right thing passed. Leadership is doing the right thing.

As for Bush getting the votes if one twists and fabricates the information it's not exactly a great success.

After the plan has been in force for a period of time we'll see how many people want it discontinued. I'll wager not only is the plan here to stay but successive governments will be scrambling to fine tune it and add additional coverage just like every other country has done, without exception.
 
cawacko said:
Uh, it actually hasn't been passed yet. And getting someone passed on a partisan vote isn't showing all that much leadership.

Hell Bush got the Iraq vote passed with quite a few Democratic votes. That's tremendous leadership by your standard.
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And Bush didn't have to invite 60 voters in, for a PRIVATE discussion.:good4u:
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
But it woiuld show confidence in how great this plan is.
Why are you objecting to those who are voted in, using the same that the voters use??
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Obviously there is some confusion regarding what the plan is and it's purpose.

The government has a number of "plans". No one is obliged to use them or restricted from using others.

There is welfare for the poor. One is not obliged to collect welfare. They can accept financial help from their family if available and they so choose.

Government housing. One is not obliged to live in government housing but it is better than sleeping in a cardboard box. Do you expect the people who voted for government housing to live in government housing?
 
apple0154 said:
Obviously there is some confusion regarding what the plan is and it's purpose.

The government has a number of "plans". No one is obliged to use them or restricted from using others.

There is welfare for the poor. One is not obliged to collect welfare. They can accept financial help from their family if available and they so choose.

Government housing. One is not obliged to live in government housing but it is better than sleeping in a cardboard box. Do you expect the people who voted for government housing to live in government housing?
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But put asinde your fawnig over the Government and just think how this could benefit everyone.
If they would sign on to the program; then they could show that there are no Death Panels and that all of the worries, were for not.
I mean; there are enogh of them at death's door, as it is.

Why are you so against them doing this??
 
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