Another MAGA talking point shot down!

[Tinkerpeach]

Citation?

Please tell me how that means the current case is wrong.

There is a thread here on the front page that lists all of his cases overturned by the courts.

All of your citations are in that.

And it does not directly affect this particular case but it shows he has a record of being wrong many times.

Many here say he wouldn't have brought charges if he didn't think he could win yet he has many times in the past.

 

[Mr.Badguy]

Alternate slates of electors are normal and customary under US law in a contested state. JFK and Al Gore both used them with the blessing of the high court.

What the Biden Regime is doing in attempting to criminalize common acts is outrageous - and treasonous.

But again these weren't official alternate slates, these were just people that showed up with fake papers and tried to get in.

 

[QP!]

All of his handpicked advisors didn't say no.

Some said yes.

They are there, like you said, to lend expertise mostly in their areas and although the president may ask them for advice on other things he doesn't need to take it.

He may decide they were wrong.

So ultimately it doesn't matter what his advisors told him.

There is nothing illegal about this whatsoever.

If a jury finds there was something illegal about it, then that is what matters.

Stop stating your derp opinion as if fact and like you can speak for a jury. I have explained to you prior why there is plenty of compelling evidence for a jury to convict based on what 'he should have known'.

 

[floridafan]

So, say an election was stolen is illegal?

Oh, but only if you're Donald Trump.

One Nation, two VERY different standards of law.

Talk is cheap, it was his actions that caused the indictment, as well as the one upcoming in GA.

 

[Uncensored2008]

But again these weren't official alternate slates, these were just people that showed up with fake papers and tried to get in.

False. 180° off. These are people that the Trump side sent a list to the house as the official electors for the state of Georgia. They were rejected as electors, just as the slate Algore sent as the Florida electors were rejected in 2000. The difference is that Bush didn't try to criminalize Gore's actions - Quid Pro is using his corrupt and weaponized DOI pervert criminal law in order to block his 2024 opponent.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Talk is cheap, it was his actions that caused the indictment, as well as the one upcoming in GA.

Remember, punk mob lawyer Smith isn't charging Trump with any action, he is trying to put Trump in prison for speech. Speech against the interests of the democrat party, specifically. Smith has said claiming the 2020 election was stolen is a criminal act - unlike Biden claiming the 2016 election was stolen - because Sieg Heil. Unlike 2018 with Abrams and Gillam both claiming elections were stolen.

In post constitutional America where we are seriously advocating putting enemies of the Reich in prison for SPEECH (remember when there was a 1st Amendment? Good times.), we can't really expect one single standard of law to apply to both Reich members and Americans. Just like freedom of speech itself, equal justice under the law is an anachronism the ruling democrats have done away with.

 

[floridafan]

Remember, punk mob lawyer Smith isn't charging Trump with any action, he is trying to put Trump in prison for speech. Speech against the interests of the democrat party, specifically. Smith has said claiming the 2020 election was stolen is a criminal act - unlike Biden claiming the 2016 election was stolen - because Sieg Heil. Unlike 2018 with Abrams and Gillam both claiming elections were stolen.

In post constitutional America where we are seriously advocating putting enemies of the Reich in prison for SPEECH (remember when there was a 1st Amendment? Good times.), we can't really expect one single standard of law to apply to both Reich members and Americans. Just like freedom of speech itself, equal justice under the law is an anachronism the ruling democrats have done away with.

You never read the indictment my dear, so lie your little ass off.

 

[Taichiliberal]

If Trump thought he could prove fraud, why go with a fake electors scheme, why try to make Jeffery Clark AG so he could overturn the results? Both of these go beyond the scope of challenging results. Imagine how you'd feel if a Democrat did either of those things
.

And off course the MAGA mooks deny that Dump himself kept repeating the Big Lie to the public eye every chance he got. Actions speak louder than words. This coupled with what you put forth here would be enough for any rational person to understand why the current legal proceedings are valid.

But of course, the MAGA crowd are anything but rational.

 

[Taichiliberal]

He does not have to prove what 'Trump thought'.

He has to prove there was an expectation of what Trump should have known.



Jack Smith will make this case hinge on what Trump 'should have known' and put the jury to that test.

The Jury will have decide if it is reasonable for a POTUS to hand pick all his top advisors and legal and other experts (AG, DoJ, FBi, Various department heads) and when ALL OF THEM say 'X did not happen', can that POTUS simply ignore them ALL, and go looking for someone, who holds an opposite view.

The jury will be asked if they think that is reasonable or if Trump 'should have known', based on that advice.

That and the Orange Oaf bleating to the public that he won to this day, should cinch the deal.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Let me try to explain something to you in a very simple comparison.

If I think my bank defrauded me out of money, does that give me a right to go in with a gun and demand my money? NO.
I can go to court and demand my money. I can tell people about it. I can write my congressman.

It does not give me the right to commit a crime.

You're trying to argue logically with a MAGA troll. You'll need an aspirin soon after....one of the reasons why I have the little clown on the ignore list. I must keep remembering to ban him from my threads.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Alternate elector slates are precedent in this nation.

JFK used them in 1960

1960: Hawaii Sends Two Slates to Electoral College > Hawaii Free Press

And Al Gore used them in 2000.

The Biden Regime is attempting to criminalize customary and normal actions in order to tamper with the 2024 election.

The BIG difference is that the folk you listed went through the PROPER PROCESS to be officially recognized as an elector. No one was stupid enough to think they had a magic wand that supersedes legal process...as Dump and his cronies did.

 

[Taichiliberal]

So, say an election was stolen is illegal?

Oh, but only if you're Donald Trump.

One Nation, two VERY different standards of law.

Stop babbling and posting this silly assed MAGA meme. The OP demonstrates clearly that Dump was informed by his own hand picked people/professionals that there was no election fraud or disparities that would warrant a recount or such. Trump fired him for that. A matter of fact, a matter of history.

 

[Matt Dillon]

Ever since the Orange Oaf lost the 2020 election to Uncle Joe, the mantra of his sycophants in the GOP, the right wing media and the MAGA crowds of registered Republicans has been that there was definite disparities (if not outright criminal activity) in the vote counting. Now for all this time the general public has been given a rehash of the "official" rulings that the Oaf and his minions were/are dead wrong, and that the 2020 election was secure. But reality and facts don't serve the Oaf and his MAGA cult well, so they just keep repeating such.

Now what caught my eye/ears this morning was a CBS interview with the Oaf's created/appointed security chief for just such a situation....a man he immediately fired when told that the election was secure and he lost fair & square.

Why this man's story has not been repeated loud and often is troubling, because in my opinion it would help silence a lot of MAGA mooks and make them look foolish in the eyes of "undecided" voters. Here's the story, judge for yourself:

Transcript: Chris Krebs on "Face the Nation"


MAJOR GARRETT : Welcome back, up now CBS News cybersecurity expert and analyst Chris Krebs, who as head of CISA, we'll get into what that means in a second, announced soon after the 2020 election that it was the, quote, 'most secure election in history.' The former president disagreed and memorably to Chris, fired him. Chris, it's good to see you.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/transcript-chris-krebs-on-face-the-nation/ar-AA1eROkg

I kept reading and waiting for your dumbass to get to the point and it never happened. Just go fuck yourself with a cactus.

Stop stealing oxygen from human beings.

 

[Taichiliberal]

I kept reading and waiting for your dumbass to get to the point and it never happened. Just go fuck yourself with a cactus.

Stop stealing oxygen from human beings.

Jeezus, I do wish you would at least be sober for about 24 hours before your fingers hit the keys. At least then your MAGA mush would be somewhat plausible.

Here's the version for dummies: Trump hires a guy to lead an investigation into possible voter fraud. The guy does his job, reports there's no fraud, and Trump fires him. Then Trump goes on to publicly claim election fraud.

Got it now, bunky?

 

[Nordberg]

Plenty of people told Trump there was fraud.

That is the problem with Smiths case.

He cannot prove what Trump thought.

Trump was told clearly that he lost the election and it was fair and square. It was people high in his admin that told him. It was Repub secretaries of state. It was state election officials. Trump knew he lost, and did not want to give up his powers.

 

[Tinkerpeach]

Trump was told clearly that he lost the election and it was fair and square. It was people high in his admin that told him. It was Repub secretaries of state. It was state election officials. Trump knew he lost, and did not want to give up his powers.

Many people told him he didn't lose.

That is the problem with Smith's argument here.

 

[Tinkerpeach]

Trump was told clearly that he lost the election and it was fair and square. It was people high in his admin that told him. It was Repub secretaries of state. It was state election officials. Trump knew he lost, and did not want to give up his powers.

You can't prove what someone thinks.

 

[Hawkeye10]

You can't prove what someone thinks.

Almost never can people correctly imagine what other people think....the Empathy Craze was always insane.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Many people told him he didn't lose.

That is the problem with Smith's argument here.

Um No....the problem is that "Wrong Think" is not a crime in any of the civilized lands.

 

[Tinkerpeach]

Um No....the problem is that "Wrong Think" is not a crime in any of the civilized lands.

Correct and that is the problem with Smith's conspiracy case against Trump.

It can be easily explained away by the legal defense.

If Trump believed he truly did lose then his actions can't be considered as a conspiracy to overthrow an election.

The more I find out about Smith's cases against Trump the more holes I find in them that the defense can use.

They are not nearly as solid as the left thinks they are.