Executive Order #13524

NigelTufnel said:
Jesus Christ. INTERPOL is not subject to FOIA. Never has been. Never will be because it is not an authority of the government of the United States to which FOIA applies.

If you sent a FOIA request to MI-6 what do you think would happen? Nothing, of course, because MI-6 is not an authority of the government of the United States to which FOIA applies. If you sent a FOIA request to INTERPOL what would happen? Nothing, of course, because INTERPOL is not an authority of the government of the United States to which FOIA applies.

The only INTERPOL related entity that has ever been and could ever be subject to FOIA is the DOJ-USNCB. And it still is.

Jackass.

And you did rely on Hot Air. It's right there in this thread for Christ's sake.
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1) I did not rely on 'Hot air' you idiot. While they were quoted, that is not the sole basis for my position. YOU simply want to keep repeating that because you cannot help by try to pretend that by attacking the source you somehow disprove the information contained within the articles. I know this is standard practice for you lemmings, but it gets old.

2) Again you twit... If anyone wanted information from Interpol, they could have filed a FOIA to get it. Yes, you are correct, it would not have been sent to Interpol headquarters. It instead would have been channeled through the DOJ in which they are housed. Prior to this, the DOJ could have held them to the request. Now we cannot.

3) If I wanted to file a FOIA request with MI6, I could do that as well. The UK also has a FOIA. The process is similar to ours.
 
Superfreak said:
1) I did not rely on 'Hot air' you idiot. While they were quoted, that is not the sole basis for my position. YOU simply want to keep repeating that because you cannot help by try to pretend that by attacking the source you somehow disprove the information contained within the articles. I know this is standard practice for you lemmings, but it gets old.

2) Again you twit... If anyone wanted information from Interpol, they could have filed a FOIA to get it. Yes, you are correct, it would not have been sent to Interpol headquarters. It instead would have been channeled through the DOJ in which they are housed. Prior to this, the DOJ could have held them to the request. Now we cannot.

3) If I wanted to file a FOIA request with MI6, I could do that as well. The UK also has a FOIA. The process is similar to ours.
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I'm not inclined to continue this conversation. Suffice it to say that you are way, way, way off base and are completely content with being so.
 
Yurt said:
i never said it was, you would go through the doj

now answer my question
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SO you agree that INTERPOL is not subject to FOIA. Given that, how is your question even relevant? How can immunity be granted when the law that INTERPOL is apparently being granted immunity from doesn't even apply to it? It makes no fucking sense.
 
NigelTufnel said:
SO you agree that INTERPOL is not subject to FOIA. Given that, how is your question even relevant? How can immunity be granted when the law that INTERPOL is apparently being granted immunity from doesn't even apply to it? It makes no fucking sense.
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you obviously haven't read the code that i provided earlier...you don't have a clue what they are now exempt from do you?
 
NigelTufnel said:
I'm not inclined to continue this conversation. Suffice it to say that you are way, way, way off base and are completely content with being so.
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translation "I am a hack and since you didn't buy my bullshit, I am going to pretend you are way way way off base and then I shall run away"
 
NigelTufnel said:
Here, you ignorant shit:

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/5/usc_sup_01_5_10_I_30_5_40_II.html
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Now, tell me exactly what is in "those provided by Section 2(c), Section 3, Section 4, Section 5, and Section 6 of that Act" and why it was necessary to exempt them from the FOIA? Since you are the local authority I fully expect you've read these sections and see all ramifications and effects of this executive order clearly. Please tell me about these sections and why they made it so that certain portions of INTERPOL were not exempt, and why it is necessary to extend such exemption to those sections of INTERPOL that would otherwise, because of those sections, be subject to FOIA.

I seek information, I'll go to the person who says they have the knowledge.
 
Superfreak said:
translation "I am a hack and since you didn't buy my bullshit, I am going to pretend you are way way way off base and then I shall run away"
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No, I stand by my position. I just don't see us making any headway on the issue due primarily to your unfamiliarity with the subject matter of our discussion.

However, I'm still interested in finding out who you meant by "we" several posts ago.
 
NigelTufnel said:
No, I stand by my position. I just don't see us making any headway on the issue due primarily to your unfamiliarity with the subject matter of our discussion.

However, I'm still interested in finding out who you meant by "we" several posts ago.
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translation "I am a hack and will again try to pretend you don't know what you are talking about as a rationale for my running away"
 
Damocles said:
Now, tell me exactly what is in "those provided by Section 2(c), Section 3, Section 4, Section 5, and Section 6 of that Act" and why it was necessary to exempt them from the FOIA?
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My link was to FOIA. First, INTERPOL must be subject to FOIA for it to be then exempted from FOIA. INTERPOL is not subject to FOIA because it does not fall within the definition of an "agency" in FOIA. Thus, the Executive Order does nothing with respect to INTERPOL and FOIA.

INTERPOL operates within the United States under the DOJ-USNCB. The DOJ-USNCB is indeed subject to FOIA. The Executive Order changes nothing in that regard.
 
NigelTufnel said:
Yes, I read it. INTERPOL is exempt from search of seizure of its property by the government, among other things. But that has nothing to do with FOIA, which doesn't even apply to INTERPOL in the first instance.
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that is not all....they are also immune from lawsuits and every form of judicial process just like foreign governments...

why is it necessary to give a POLICE organization such immunity when our own police organizations do not enjoy such immunity?
 
NigelTufnel said:
My link was to FOIA. First, INTERPOL must be subject to FOIA for it to be then exempted from FOIA. INTERPOL is not subject to FOIA because it does not fall within the definition of an "agency" in FOIA. Thus, the Executive Order does nothing with respect to INTERPOL and FOIA.

INTERPOL operates within the United States under the DOJ-USNCB. The DOJ-USNCB is indeed subject to FOIA. The Executive Order changes nothing in that regard.
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Again, this doesn't answer my question. First "INTERPOL" does have definite portions (since it is an organization of police forces working together) that are definitely within the definition of "agency" in the FOIA, there is a reason it is specifically mentioned in these Executive orders.

What I want to know is exactly what this executive order does, what are its ramifications?

It would be helpful if you would explain it, as the expert of the site on the subject, to us neophytes.

Tell me why any administration would take the time to exempt an organization that doesn't fall into the definitions within a law from the law? It is nonsense to do so, and you know it is. No executive order would be necessary to exempt them from any provision of the Act at all if they did not fall under its jurisdiction. Even Obama wouldn't waste his time on it if they were already exempted as you try to imply.
 
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