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[Billy the Great Khan]

Anyone that even suggests legalizing cocaine, has not seen its destruction first hand. I have been raised around criminals and its not pretty.

Yes the drug profits will be out of the hands of bad men, though at the same time, use will over all increase just like it did with Alcohol.

We will have more addicts, more thefts, more prostitution, more violence, more schizophrenic, paranoid wack jobs, more compulsive liars, its not pretty....

Our society will go faster down the tubes then it already is, though judging by the amount of drugs getting into the country? The DEA is a just a multi billion dollar Beaurocracy that needs drugs to justify its existence. I would not be surprise if they are bringing the drugs in themselves. I have seen all kinds of stranger things. If the governemnt really wanted to stomp out drugs? Believe me they can.....

Pot? I have considered the possibility of legalizing it. It is actually better than Alcohol. Alcohol should have never been legalized either. Unless EVERYONE had a limit and anyone caught over that limit, even in your own house? Would be punished.

Though I think that weed also is a gateway drug. If you smoke enough of it you become imune and you will seek harder drugs.....If you dont you will have withdrawls and be depressed all the time. If people were to just smoke it recreationally as opposed to being cronic, that would be different but how can
we regulate pot consuption among individuals?

There are other reasons I oppose legalizing weed.

Do we justify exposing our children to these things directly or indirectly(increased crime as a result, especially in the case of cocaine)? Just to take away money from the criminals hands?

The real drug dealers are untouchable and they are the upstanding citizens. The super wealthy. Though they never actually touch any of the drugs. This is why they never get caught. And this is why the drugs keep flowing. They just find another patsy to move it when one gets busted.

The only way to beat them is to destroy drug crops(if they are large they are easy to find), but the government doesn't do this because they are in on the action.

I say no to legalization. I say destroy the bread and butter of the criminals. Destroy the crops.

You are aware that during prohibition, drinking increased almost 35%? Or are you just basing your opinion on anecdotal emotion?

 

[wiseones2cents]

You are aware that during prohibition, drinking increased almost 35%? Or are you just basing your opinion on anecdotal emotion?

If drinking did increase it was due to economical hard times. This had more to do with it, then the prohibition.

There was no where near as much alcohol drinkers back then as there is today so legalization did increase the consumption of alcohol and its abuse.

Look at all the violence, deaths and domestic problems as a result......

Anyways, what are you trying to say?To suggest that the illegalization of drugs has increased use and the legalizing drugs would reduce its use? Thats ridiculous.

 

[wanderingbear]

If drinking did increase it was due to economical hard times. This had more to do with it, then the prohibition.

There was no where near as much alcohol drinkers back then as there is today so legalization did increase the consumption of alcohol and its abuse.

Look at all the violence, deaths and domestic problems as a result......

Anyways, what are you trying to say?To suggest that the illegalization of drugs has increased use and the legalizing drugs would reduce its use? Thats ridiculous.

There wasnt as many people back then ether.

 

[Billy the Great Khan]

If drinking did increase it was due to economical hard times. This had more to do with it, then the prohibition.

There was no where near as much alcohol drinkers back then as there is today so legalization did increase the consumption of alcohol and its abuse.

Look at all the violence, deaths and domestic problems as a result......

Anyways, what are you trying to say?To suggest that the illegalization of drugs has increased use and the legalizing drugs would reduce its use? Thats ridiculous.

It shows that the legality of an item rarely coincides with it's use, especially for something like pot or beer, both of which are cultural symbols to many. And the only problems I see with any of those is with abuse, not availability or moderate consumption.

 

[wiseones2cents]

It shows that the legality of an item rarely coincides with it's use, especially for something like pot or beer, both of which are cultural symbols to many. And the only problems I see with any of those is with abuse, not availability or moderate consumption.

No, it is just noticed more when it is illegal.

I agree, and I have already made this distinction. Alcohol and weed do not have a bad effect on all people. Some are able to function perfectly fine in society with moderation. Though on others it has a very negative effect.

For me it ruined my life. I should be much better off financially then I am today.

How do we control moderation?

We can monitor alcohol consumption. Not so easy with pot as far as I know.

And these addicts pressure more people to use drugs and the lifestyle leads to criminal activity and all other kinds of immorality.

Its one thing to ruin your own life(which I still would not stand by and watch any child do). Its another when your problems start affecting others. For example. Many drug addcits are thiefs. If they get caught they can be prosecuted, but alot do not get caught and get away with it many, many times before getting caught, if at all.

And these people also become manic depressants(from withdrawls)(and all kinds of other psychological disorders that stem from paranoia)....That is not good for them or for their loved ones to watch them go down the tubes.....

So if weed becomes cheaper? People will smoke more and addiction will become more than likely. If weed is more expensive? People will steal more to support their habit. Its a no win situation.

The best thing to do is to wipe it out completely.

 

[Billy the Great Khan]

No, it is just noticed more when it is illegal.
I agree, and I have already made this distinction. Alcohol and weed do not have a bad effect on all people. Some are able to function perfectly fine in society with moderation. Though on others it has a very negative effect.

Anything in excess can have a dangerous effect, even on those that are not partaking, so the distinction between some drugs (alcohol, weed, coke, etc.) and other drugs (caffeine, pain killers, steroids, etc) is pretty difficult to make

For me it ruined my life. I should be much better off financially then I am today.

Shame, but to be brutally honest, that's no one elses fault but your own.

How do we control moderation?

I don't try and force or control anyone other than myself. The moment we leave it in someone else hands it reinforces the idea that you do not have a personal responsibility.

We can monitor alcohol consumption. Not so easy with pot as far as I know.

And you are more than welcome to if you own a business or similar thing. But don't ask me to conform to your regulations in the way I conduct my business or private life.

And these addicts pressure more people to use drugs and the lifestyle leads to criminal activity and all other kinds of immorality.

Speculative and subjective.

Its one thing to ruin your own life(which I still would not stand by and watch any child do). Its another when your problems start affecting others.

Agreed, though I find no problem with parents, not the law, deciding if their child is mature enough to try a drink or a smoke.

For example. Many drug addcits are thiefs. If they get caught they can be prosecuted, but alot do not get caught and get away with it many, many times before getting caught, if at all.

Many addicts are already involved in a plethora of other illegal activity, often required by their dealer connections.

And these people also become manic depressants(from withdrawls)(and all kinds of other psychological disorders that stem from paranoia)....That is not good for them or for their loved ones to watch them go down the tubes.....

And with legalization treatment can and will improve.

So if weed becomes cheaper? People will smoke more and addiction will become more than likely. If weed is more expensive? People will steal more to support their habit. Its a no win situation.

That assumes that weed is addictive in the first place, or that legality increases use (and we both agreed it doesn't). And that still falls under the bright banner of personal responsibility.

The best thing to do is to wipe it out completely.

Because, again, that worked out so well in the past.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Several points to be made here. First of all, you can't just barge into Mexico and South America with the American military, without first going to Congress, and they wouldn't support it because the majority of Americans wouldn't support it. You are talking about doing something 1000x worse than anything George W. Bush ever dreamed of. At least Bush had the justification of chem/bio weapons and terrorism, and the connection could be made to actual national security (not meant to disagree with the libs here, just a fact.)

Next point... many of these countries grow drugs LEGALLY. Where do you think drug companies get their supply? So you would have to find some way to figure out who was "legal" and who was not, and that ain't going to happen because those who are doing things illegal, aren't going to be forthright. Another aspect is this... If I live in Hubada-Hubada, Bolivia... and the mayor, governor, local authorities, all know I produce drugs, and I am actually giving them a little kickback.. What are the chances they are going to assist the US in finding me and shutting down my operations?

Then comes the question of jurisprudence, what do you do with the drug growers? You've moved your military into Mexico and South America, which technically means you are declaring war, and subject to the Geneva Conventions. So do we turn the drug growers over to the local authorities... (remember, they are being paid off by the drug grower.) Do we cart them off to Gitmo and give them military tribunals? Or do we ship them to Illinois to stand trial in US Federal Court? And when they DO get their day in court... they are guilty of doing something condoned by their own local government! How would you convict them of this? Our laws about growing dope don't apply in South America!

As you can see, you've opened a great big can of worms, and we have no answer as to how to deal with the problems. Sending the military into Mexico and South America is NOT the answer, and WOULDN'T solve the problem, rather it would CREATE MORE problems.

On the 'legalization' ramblings here... Pot is likely not going to be 'legalized' because of the delivery mechanism. Ingesting smoke into your lungs is not good for you, regardless of what "kind" of smoke it is! Our government is NOT going to make something legal that is potentially detrimental to our health, they have struggled enough with cigarettes and booze! Now, this is not to say they couldn't "DE-CRIMINALIZE" pot... make it not a felony to possess or grow... that sort of thing. I just don't think we'll ever see them make pot a 'legal' product, available for commercial distribution and sales. And certainly never cocaine or harder drugs. That's just not going to happen in a responsible society.

But let's just say, by some twist of fate, we manage to legalize pot and cocaine... Do you not believe there would be a 'cost' from this? There wouldn't be more people addicted to cocaine if it were legal? We wouldn't have to fund and build more rehab centers? We wouldn't have to pay for treatment? What about people who are depressed and smoke pot, then kill themselves... could their families sue the government for making it legal? (Remember where we live!) So, I think there are a LOT of problems to this idea, and many of them would not be realized until after the fact.

 

[wiseones2cents]

Anything in excess can have a dangerous effect, even on those that are not partaking, so the distinction between some drugs (alcohol, weed, coke, etc.) and other drugs (caffeine, pain killers, steroids, etc) is pretty difficult to make

Pain killers yes. Steroid and caffeine? Sorry I dont know too many people that have stole to feed their caffeine addiction. Mind altering drugs that distort judgement is the problem.

Shame, but to be brutally honest, that's no one elses fault but your own.

Wrong. Its societies fault I was exposed. With music promoting this type of immoral activity, more peer pressure is put on kids. If your an adult, you can say you should have known better, but if you were exposed as a child, that is very different. I was smart enough to leave that life style when I was young. Though I know many that have not.

I don't try and force or control anyone other than myself. The moment we leave it in someone else hands it reinforces the idea that you do not have a personal responsibility.

blah blah blah. I wil ask the question again. How do we control moderate use?

Yes though a serious drug user will manipulate in order to get another person hooked so he/she can benefit from it by skimming off the counts or actually selling it to them.

And you are more than welcome to if you own a business or similar thing. But don't ask me to conform to your regulations in the way I conduct my business or private life.

If your actions directly or indirectly affect me? You better believe I will try to make you conform. You are part of the problem because you are feeding the demand. And in today's case? You are actually putting money into the hands of people that will do us harm. As it is evident by my initial post.

Speculative and subjective.

Facts. I have been around enough drug abusers to come to this conclusion.

Agreed, though I find no problem with parents, not the law, deciding if their child is mature enough to try a drink or a smoke.

Unfortunately there are many poor excuses for parents and the decision should not be left in their hands.

Many addicts are already involved in a plethora of other illegal activity, often required by their dealer connections.

They are involved because it makes money and it supports their drug habits. The rest of what you said is nonsense for the most part.

And with legalization treatment can and will improve.

How does the saying go?An ounce of prevention is better than a pound of cure?

That assumes that weed is addictive in the first place, or that legality increases use (and we both agreed it doesn't). And that still falls under the bright banner of personal responsibility.

Weed is 100% addictive. I agree that legality would not increase use??? Sorry not me. I know for a fact, that use would increase.

Unfortunately not all people are responsible.

Because, again, that worked out so well in the past.

They only pretended to wipe it out. Considering that most politicians enjoyed a drink also. The source of the booze was coming from Europe. Tell me? How did they try to wipe out something when they couldn't even touch the source? Destroy the crops, you destroy the supply and the demand will decrease.

 

[wiseones2cents]

Several points to be made here. First of all, you can't just barge into Mexico and South America with the American military, without first going to Congress, and they wouldn't support it because the majority of Americans wouldn't support it. You are talking about doing something 1000x worse than anything George W. Bush ever dreamed of. At least Bush had the justification of chem/bio weapons and terrorism, and the connection could be made to actual national security (not meant to disagree with the libs here, just a fact.)

Next point... many of these countries grow drugs LEGALLY. Where do you think drug companies get their supply? So you would have to find some way to figure out who was "legal" and who was not, and that ain't going to happen because those who are doing things illegal, aren't going to be forthright. Another aspect is this... If I live in Hubada-Hubada, Bolivia... and the mayor, governor, local authorities, all know I produce drugs, and I am actually giving them a little kickback.. What are the chances they are going to assist the US in finding me and shutting down my operations?

Then comes the question of jurisprudence, what do you do with the drug growers? You've moved your military into Mexico and South America, which technically means you are declaring war, and subject to the Geneva Conventions. So do we turn the drug growers over to the local authorities... (remember, they are being paid off by the drug grower.) Do we cart them off to Gitmo and give them military tribunals? Or do we ship them to Illinois to stand trial in US Federal Court? And when they DO get their day in court... they are guilty of doing something condoned by their own local government! How would you convict them of this? Our laws about growing dope don't apply in South America!

As you can see, you've opened a great big can of worms, and we have no answer as to how to deal with the problems. Sending the military into Mexico and South America is NOT the answer, and WOULDN'T solve the problem, rather it would CREATE MORE problems.

On the 'legalization' ramblings here... Pot is likely not going to be 'legalized' because of the delivery mechanism. Ingesting smoke into your lungs is not good for you, regardless of what "kind" of smoke it is! Our government is NOT going to make something legal that is potentially detrimental to our health, they have struggled enough with cigarettes and booze! Now, this is not to say they couldn't "DE-CRIMINALIZE" pot... make it not a felony to possess or grow... that sort of thing. I just don't think we'll ever see them make pot a 'legal' product, available for commercial distribution and sales. And certainly never cocaine or harder drugs. That's just not going to happen in a responsible society.

But let's just say, by some twist of fate, we manage to legalize pot and cocaine... Do you not believe there would be a 'cost' from this? There wouldn't be more people addicted to cocaine if it were legal? We wouldn't have to fund and build more rehab centers? We wouldn't have to pay for treatment? What about people who are depressed and smoke pot, then kill themselves... could their families sue the government for making it legal? (Remember where we live!) So, I think there are a LOT of problems to this idea, and many of them would not be realized until after the fact.

Why? They did it when they went to war with Iraq! Basically Obama wouldn't have to create lies like bush did. Everyone knows and sees what is happening in Mexico and South America and the negetive effects drugs is having on the American society.

Who the heck would be against it other than the cocaine users?

With or without government assistence. If the local government cannot solve the problem? The US military will!

Depending on the person. Maybe release some with a warning, the more violent dangerous types I would send them to a guantanamo type prison.I would not release them since they are indirectly responsible for ruining American lives. As far as I know, drug cultivation is illegal in most south American countries. I believe only in Bolivia the coco plant is protected. Though as soon as we find drugs being exported from Bolivia? We shut them down too.

How would destroying drug crops make more problems? If your neighbors dog continuosly takes a poo in your backyard and you call the local authorities and they do nothing and then this dog starts to bite people on your property? Would you take maters into your own hands? If you had the power to do so, you certainly would.

Your last statement is more reasonable. Legalizing drugs would just not make sense in a civilized society.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Why? They did it when they went to war with Iraq! Basically Obama wouldn't have to create lies like bush did. Everyone knows and sees what is happening in Mexico and South America and the negetive effects drugs is having on the American society.

Well, Bush didn't lie about Iraq, the US didn't have the best intelligence information, but this would also be the case in any scenario, we are not going to always have 100% accuracy in intelligence. But beyond that... who's fault is it that the drug growers do what they do? Is it THEIR fault? These people are just farmers trying to take care of their families, and they are doing something condoned and sanctioned by the local authorities. What 'moral' justification do you have, to come in and 'punish' them for this?

Who the heck would be against it other than the cocaine users?

Well, the drug growers for one... the corrupt governments who take huge payoffs from them, for another... and I suspect, if we barged into Mexico and South America with our military, most of the international community would immediately condemn our actions. You saw how the liberals reacted with us using the military to fight radical terrorism... this is drugs! You don't think liberals would be opposed to a "war on drugs" in South America?

With or without government assistence. If the local government cannot solve the problem? The US military will!

Well that sounds a little like the Bush Doctrine to me!

Depending on the person. Maybe release some with a warning, the more violent dangerous types I would send them to a guantanamo type prison.I would not release them since they are indirectly responsible for ruining American lives. As far as I know, drug cultivation is illegal in most south American countries. I believe only in Bolivia the coco plant is protected. Though as soon as we find drugs being exported from Bolivia? We shut them down too.

Again, how are we going to "find" any damn thing? The governments are corrupt... they are being paid off by the drug cartels! We are going to have ZERO assistance from local authorities, and it's not like we have thousands of spies embedded in society down there. And you are going to just lock them up at Gitmo and not give them any sort of trial? Do they not deserve any sort of adjudication? Man, we've got people who planned and masterminded the cold-blooded murder of innocent Americans... and even THEY get a trial!

How would destroying drug crops make more problems? If your neighbors dog continuosly takes a poo in your backyard and you call the local authorities and they do nothing and then this dog starts to bite people on your property? Would you take maters into your own hands? If you had the power to do so, you certainly would.

Let's stick to the problem at hand, and not try to create stupid analogies that don't apply. How are we going to find all (or even most) of the drug crops in Mexico and South America? Have you looked at a map lately, it is a pretty big area you're talking about, and we will have ZERO cooperation from the locals... so how do you do this?

Your last statement is more reasonable. Legalizing drugs would just not make sense in a civilized society.

LOL... Yeah, I am being totally unreasonable in not wanting to go barging into Mexico and South America with our military forces, in order to stamp out drugs!

 

[Billy the Great Khan]

Pain killers yes. Steroid and caffeine? Sorry I dont know too many people that have stole to feed their caffeine addiction. Mind altering drugs that distort judgement is the problem.

Caffeine, in a very advanced addiction stage, can cause serious problems to ones personal life that can (theoretically) cause them to act irrationally. And if you don't see a problem with steroid abuse, then you aren't too educated on it

Wrong. Its societies fault I was exposed. With music promoting this type of immoral activity, more peer pressure is put on kids. If your an adult, you can say you should have known better, but if you were exposed as a child, that is very different. I was smart enough to leave that life style when I was young. Though I know many that have not.

No, it's still your fault. You're the one who gave in to whatever 'pressure' society put on you. You're the one who picked up the joint/pipe/bottle, and you're also the one who felt that such things were worthy of your time and effort. ALL your fault.

blah blah blah. I wil ask the question again. How do we control moderate use?

Again, I don't advocate control except under situations where it is paramount and immediate to personal safety at a community level (I.E. drinking and driving). If I want to get wacked out on acid in the comfort of my own home, I should be able to. If I want to see if I can get a 5.0 BAC, as long as I'm not driving I should be able to.

Yes though a serious drug user will manipulate in order to get another person hooked so he/she can benefit from it by skimming off the counts or actually selling it to them.

Que?

If your actions directly or indirectly affect me? You better believe I will try to make you conform. You are part of the problem because you are feeding the demand. And in today's case? You are actually putting money into the hands of people that will do us harm. As it is evident by my initial post.

By that extension EVERYTHING affects you indirectly. You're desire to conform everyone affects MY individual freedom.

Facts. I have been around enough drug abusers to come to this conclusion.

So have I. So please, cite your "facts".

Unfortunately there are many poor excuses for parents and the decision should not be left in their hands.

There are also plenty of poor examples for police and politicians, but you certainly trust them with the problem don't you? Especially since they will have absolutely no background into each individual case as a parent would.

They are involved because it makes money and it supports their drug habits. The rest of what you said is nonsense for the most part.

How does the saying go?An ounce of prevention is better than a pound of cure?

So in order to PREVENT more drug violence we should legalize the products, taking away the incentive for illegal dealing.

Weed is 100% addictive.

Source?

I agree that legality would not increase use??? Sorry not me. I know for a fact, that use would increase.

Again, source? And you did agree. I believe your EXACT words were

No, it is just noticed more when it is illegal
In regards to my comment that legality does not coincide with use.

So which is it?

Unfortunately not all people are responsible.

Welcome to the burden of individual freedom and responsibility.

They only pretended to wipe it out. Considering that most politicians enjoyed a drink also. The source of the booze was coming from Europe. Tell me? How did they try to wipe out something when they couldn't even touch the source? Destroy the crops, you destroy the supply and the demand will decrease.

Are you being serious? Have you ever heard of a moonshiner?
And how would you go about destroying the entire crop? It's grown all over the world, especially here in America. You would NEVER be able to eliminate it, or the demand.

 

[wiseones2cents]

Caffeine, in a very advanced addiction stage, can cause serious problems to ones personal life that can (theoretically) cause them to act irrationally. And if you don't see a problem with steroid abuse, then you aren't too educated on it.

For the most part it will keep them up at night. Thats about it. Steroids causes paranoia and aggression but it is not addictive and people dont steal for neither caffeine or steroids. Your argument is ridiculous.

No, it's still your fault. You're the one who gave in to whatever 'pressure' society put on you. You're the one who picked up the joint/pipe/bottle, and you're also the one who felt that such things were worthy of your time and effort. ALL your fault.

I know so many young people that were a victim of their enviornment. You coming from Detroit should know that. I've seen Detroit and its not pretty.Sometimes its about fitting in and survival. Especially in gang filled neighborhoods. The fact of the matter remains. It is SOCIETY that puts the pressure. And bad society is a result of bad governing. I can say so much more but its clear you dont know shit.

Again, I don't advocate control except under situations where it is paramount and immediate to personal safety at a community level (I.E. drinking and driving). If I want to get wacked out on acid in the comfort of my own home, I should be able to. If I want to see if I can get a 5.0 BAC, as long as I'm not driving I should be able to.

How about if you get whacked out on coke in the comfort of your own home and hit your kids? Especially if your out of supply and binging? How about if your drug use causes you to lose your job and your family suffers as a result. There are so many negative effects from over use and there is no way to monitor it. Something can only be done after the fact and in many cases it is too late.

Que?

Its street talk but I guess it differs from country to country.

By that extension EVERYTHING affects you indirectly. You're desire to conform everyone affects MY individual freedom.

Yes the butterfly effect.But some actions are proven to have a more negative effects than others.That is why we have laws. And there is a reason drugs was illegalized inthe first place.

So have I. So please, cite your "facts".

If you really had? You wouldn't be talking the nonsense you are. I dont think you have seen real hardcore addicts and its negative effects. If you did, you wouldn't be supporting legalization.

There are also plenty of poor examples for police and politicians, but you certainly trust them with the problem don't you? Especially since they will have absolutely no background into each individual case as a parent would.

One unfortunately is a necessary evil, since without them things would be worse. Therefore you cant compare them with parents. Your arguments are ridiculous. The government governs from data collected all over the nation. A parent governs only from what he or she was taught. If they had garbage parents or lived in a garbage enviornment? Chances are they will also be garbage parents and the kids will be raised in a garbage enviornment.

So in order to PREVENT more drug violence we should legalize the products, taking away the incentive for illegal dealing.

First of all we were talking about all aspects of drug use,not only violence.

Yes, so we have increased violent cocaine users. That would really make it safer(note sarcasm). We already see the decrease in violence due to legalizing alcohol(note sarcasm). And cocaine is MUCH more addictive(meaning thefts would increase big time). As far as weed only? We'd have more burnt out unproductive citizens in our society living in poverty. Stealing and begging.....Not to mention all kinds of mental disorders that lead to violence.

In order to stop ALL of this and more?We PREVENT drugs in our society. Rather then what you propose, to control it. Its uncontrolable.

Rather then help people seek help like you propose?I say dont get them hooked in the first place.

You think someone can heal with help after they have prostituted themselves for drugs and have been used and abused?? Its easier said then done.These trauma's take years to heal.Especially when everyone knows what you did.

Source?

Are you serious? You must be young if you dont know pot is addictive.

http://www.spiritualriver.com/is-marijuana-addictive/

Try being around an addict that has been "dry" for a few weeks and watch how edgy and snappy he is.

Again, source? And you did agree. I believe your EXACT words were
So which is it?

Where did I agree? Common sense tells me that if you legalize something,it will be done more. Since there is no more risk of punishment and the taboo is lifted.

Welcome to the burden of individual freedom and responsibility.

No way. Sorry. I will not leave decissions that effect other individuals in the hands of morons.

Are you being serious? Have you ever heard of a moonshiner?
And how would you go about destroying the entire crop? It's grown all over the world, especially here in America. You would NEVER be able to eliminate it, or the demand.

They weren't drinking moonshine in the roaring twenties. The booze was being shipped from Europe.

The Taliban was able to stomp out poppy leaf cultivation in its country in less than a year.

Your saying the US is incapabable of doing what the Taliban did?

If the governemnts really wanted to, it would be easy to stomp out the majority of crops. Especially cocaine and heroin plants. Marijuana would be more difficult especially due to indoor grown weed(AKA hydro),but not impossible.

Though the main argument in the article is about cocaine.These dealers are out of control and they need to be stomped out!

Oh and today? More Mexican journalists were gunned down by the dealers.

 

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Some nations know how to deal with illicit drugs crminals.

 

[Sammy Jankis]

Some nations know how to deal with illicit drugs crminals.

Does china know?

 

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It is obvious that we do.

 

[Sammy Jankis]

It is obvious that we do.

Maybe next you'll implement personal freedom.

 

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All are free to decide themselves. Differing decisions lead to divergent outcomes.