Man forced to ditch $115K Ford EV truck during family road trip to Chicago

RB 60 said:
I had my '87 Lincoln Mk VII LSC for 20 years. It'd still be on the road if the stupid kid that bought it didn't wreck it.
Go to a car show, you'll see cars far older than my old Lincoln. You won't see a Tesla though...
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Just drove across Montana and North Dakota. Only saw ONE Tesla the whole way (in Bozeman). Indeed, I didn't see one again until I got to Minneapolis.
 
QP! said:
As i always say, the way the technology is currently it is perfect for about 90% of the city people and their typical daily commutes, which constitute work, home, errands around the city.

That is the vast bulk of the population's driving ~95% of the time, by my guesstimate. Short trips, never needing a charge outside home or work.

For those that have broader needs an EV might not be quite up to their needs yet, or maybe the EV is there everyday work car but they have an ICE vehicle for other needs.

This is not an 'all or none' nor 'EV's are perfect' situation. It is a rapidly growing and improving technology that is on the front edge of technology growth curve and the gains will come fast now as manufacturing moves into a mass production phase.


I would be shocked, if within 10 years there is still any reason to drive an ICE vehicle but nostalgia. If the tech improves comparable to how most tech does in these early mass production commercialization stages ICE will just be way to expensive in every regard as compared to EV. Think of the early cell phones compared to today. Think of the early ICE engine compared to today. EV's are at the very front edge of their tech advancement curve. ICE is on the bottom of the back edge of their curve. ICE is a fully mature technology with only very marginal improvements still coming.
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Nuthin's perfect, dude.
Changing history doesn't make it true either.

The EV is OLDER than the gasoline car.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
I don't deny that electric cars are probably not adequately developed yet.

The Germans invented the gasoline-powered motorcar around 1885 or 1886.
[Don't feel embarrassed. Just a few years later, Americans invented the gasoline-powered airplane.]

It shouldn't take EVs that long to catch up, but they're apparently not ready yet.

Do you know what bothers me more than electric motors?
Modern unibody construction.
Today's exoskeleton cars are obscenely expensive disposables.
Minor contact and they're rubble.

Body-on-frame cars are virtually legislated out of existence,
but the very best vehicles I've ever owned were built in that configuration.
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The first electric car was built in 1890 and they still aren't ready yet?
 
NiftyNiblick said:
I don't deny that electric cars are probably not adequately developed yet.

The Germans invented the gasoline-powered motorcar around 1885 or 1886.
[Don't feel embarrassed. Just a few years later, Americans invented the gasoline-powered airplane.]

It shouldn't take EVs that long to catch up, but they're apparently not ready yet.

Do you know what bothers me more than electric motors?
Modern unibody construction.
Today's exoskeleton cars are obscenely expensive disposables.
Minor contact and they're rubble.

Body-on-frame cars are virtually legislated out of existence,
but the very best vehicles I've ever owned were built in that configuration.
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EVs are OLDER than gasoline cars, ya dumb mutt.
 
Into the Night said:
The first electric car was built in 1830. Rechargeable batteries came around in about 1890.
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Thomas Davenport of Vermont invented the first official battery-powered electric motor in 1834. This was the first electric motor that had enough power to perform a task and his invention was used to power a small-scale printing press.


:facepalm:
 
Nordberg said:
I have bene\ring n EV for years and have never run out of charge. Therefore, no EV owner has ever done that.
Evs are far, far cheaper to operate than ICEs.
You know nothing about it.
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Typical MAGA moron. SFH knows he's on the losing side of this debate so he has to make shit up so he thinks he's winning.

It costs significantly LESS to run your EV than it does to run a gas car. It's one of the many reasons EVs are so popular.
It costs significantly less to maintain as well.

I'm living proof. I've owned my Tesla Model Y for two years. Zero $$$ on maintenance. Oh wait. $5 for windshield washing fluid.
 
Joe Capitalist said:
Typical MAGA moron. SFH knows he's on the losing side of this debate so he has to make shit up so he thinks he's winning.

It costs significantly LESS to run your EV than it does to run a gas car. It's one of the many reasons EVs are so popular.
It costs significantly less to maintain as well.

I'm living proof. I've owned my Tesla Model Y for two years. Zero $$$ on maintenance. Oh wait. $5 for windshield washing fluid.
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BULLSHIT
 
anonymoose said:
Absolutely. Practical in use but impractical to purchase unless you have a lot of money to piss away only to feeeeel good about yoself.
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2022 Chevrolet Bolt EUV
Starting price: $27,495
EPA-estimated range: 247-259 miles

Nissan Leaf
Starting price: $29,135
EPA-estimated range: 149-212 miles

Mini Cooper SE Hardtop
Starting price: $31,895
EPA-estimated range: 114 miles

Hyundai Kona Electric
Starting price: $34,885
EPA-estimated range: 258 miles

Mazda MX-30
Starting price: $35,485
EPA-estimated range: 100 miles

Volkswagen ID.4
Starting price: $40,290
EPA-estimated range: 209-275 miles

Kia Nero EV
Starting price: $40,875
EPA-estimated range: 253 miles

Tesla Model 3
Starting price: $41,630
EPA-estimated range: 272-358 miles

Hyundai Ioniq 6
Starting price: $42,715
EPA-estimated range: 240-361 miles

Hyundai Ioniq 5
Starting price: ​​$42,785
EPA-estimated range: 220-303 miles

I rest my case.
 
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Stringfellow Hawk said:
I could not get to the closest major airport and back without a charge, ridiculous
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So then it is not for you.

A technology is not good only if it works well for 100% of the people.

Arguing against a technology because it 'does not work for you', is just stupid.


The vast, vast, vast, majority of people use their vehicles 90% of the time to commute to work and back and then out for small errands and back (groceries, etc), and an EV is perfect for them.


I have no use for a pickup truck in my life. It would be wasted and burn excess gas. that does not mean a pick up truck is not perfect for many other people.
 
Stringfellow Hawk said:
I stay in Hiltons and Marriott chain hotels every other week, most have two or less chargers that work and it is interesting watching the guests fight over them
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Then they are doing it wrong.

Most hotels you can leave the key with the Valet/Concierge and they will get it on a charger when available. I was with my friend in his Tesla at one hotel when he did just that.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
I don't deny that electric cars are probably not adequately developed yet.

The Germans invented the gasoline-powered motorcar around 1885 or 1886.
[Don't feel embarrassed. Just a few years later, Americans invented the gasoline-powered airplane.]

It shouldn't take EVs that long to catch up, but they're apparently not ready yet.

Do you know what bothers me more than electric motors?
Modern unibody construction.
Today's exoskeleton cars are obscenely expensive disposables.
Minor contact and they're rubble.

Body-on-frame cars are virtually legislated out of existence,
but the very best vehicles I've ever owned were built in that configuration.
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They will continue to improve rapidly but they are ready now.

Auto manufacturers care about the 80% of template drivers (work, home, errands, etc) to push out volume sales, and EV's are perfect for that now, in most markets.

For those in the 20% who need something else, that is fine. It is the none volume sales most dealers can get the big margins and profits from. Many people will have two vehicle. An EV for everyday and another for other uses.
 
QP! said:
Then they are doing it wrong.

Most hotels you can leave the key with the Valet/Concierge and they will get it on a charger when available. I was with my friend in his Tesla at one hotel when he did just that.
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Most hotels do not do that and the fact you mention valet shows that you don't have clue where most "working people" stay when traveling
 
QP! said:
So then it is not for you.

A technology is not good only if it works well for 100% of the people.

Arguing against a technology because it 'does not work for you', is just stupid.


The vast, vast, vast, majority of people use their vehicles 90% of the time to commute to work and back and then out for small errands and back (groceries, etc), and an EV is perfect for them.


I have no use for a pickup truck in my life. It would be wasted and burn excess gas. that does not mean a pick up truck is not perfect for many other people.
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its not perfect when there isn't a grid anywhere that can support it, you are just fucking stupid
 
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