Really? You mean because only 1% is one kind of vehicle doesn't prove they will not be successful over time?
I guess you just proved you are unable to use logic.
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Really? You mean because only 1% is one kind of vehicle doesn't prove they will not be successful over time?
I guess you just proved you are unable to use logic.
T. A. Gardner
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EV's have had more than 150 years to prove their viability and desirability to consumers in the market. They have never been able to do that. They can't now either except for government interference in the market.
It must be weird living in a world where technology never improves in 150 years.
T. A. Gardner
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The improvements have been incremental, not revolutionary. A battery car 100 years ago uses the same fundamental systems in the same way as one today. Sure, the battery has gotten better, and there are other improvements in design, but the basics haven't changed. The same is true of ICE vehicles.
That has left the ICE vehicle dominant except for government interference in the market.
Into the Night
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You guess you really have a problem with tense as well. The past is not the future.
In all the history of the EV, there has NEVER been more than 1% of the cars on the road that are EVs.
The gasoline and diesel engines have ALREADY proven themselves over time. They are cheaper, more powerful, lighter, and more efficient.
Into the Night
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You're living in it, Luddite.
Into the Night
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ICE vehicles have changed a lot.
Magnetos are a thing of the past. The only place you still find those is on small garden engines and aircraft (which uses 1940's technology in their engines!). Battery ignition systems are far more effective.
Even the distributor is a thing of the past. Modern cars don't have one. They now use low voltage ignition systems that is far more efficient and doesn't need expensive large wires or distributors.
The carburetor is a thing of the past, along with carburetor heat systems. Indeed, the entire induction system has no gasoline vapors in it at all anymore. Just air. This means the gasoline is much more efficiently used since it no longer condenses along the walls of the induction system. All modern engines now are multipoint fuel injected engines.
Timing of engine ignition and fuel is no longer mechanical. They are now computer controlled, making timing much more precise and reliable at all engine speeds and loads (FADEC).
Sensors are everywhere, monitoring engine parameters, even listening for knocking and adjusting the engine to eliminate it, proximity sensors, tire pressure monitoring sensors, cabin comfort sensors, driver assist sensors, etc.
These were developed for ALL cars, not just electric ones.
EGR systems have basically eliminated smog from the equation. This simple bit of plumbing and a valve does quite a lot for you. EVAP systems do the rest.
Gasoline itself is a renewable fuel. It can even be synthesized from carbon dioxide, hydrogen, heat, pressures, and the presence of an iron catalyst (all conditions found underground naturally).
The current generation of EVs hasn't changed much at all since the Li-ion battery was first invented in the 80's, back when gasoline cars had carburetors and distributors. Sure, body styles and body sensors came along just as they did for gasoline cars, but that affected ALL cars. There is nothing magick about the EV there. In other words, the Luddites are the EV owners.
What HAS happened is the government subsidies and mandates for EVs. That's just communism and fascism.
T. A. Gardner
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Those are details, incremental changes. ICE engines still have a transmission and drive train that is for all intents the same as it was 100 years ago. Yes, everything's more refined, but it works the way it did then. ICE engines are either air or water cooled, that hasn't changed.
Into the Night
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They are incremental changes, true.
The transmission is nothing like the transmissions of 100 years ago! Even the drive train has changed completely!
Gone is the old manual transmission with no sync rings. Today, the modern transmission is BELT driven much of the time, or at least an automatic. Yes, a slight resurgence in manual transmissions is making a comeback, but they now have modern sync rings, making them MUCH easier to shift, and fluid or electric clutches, eliminating that friction component completely. No more clutch pads to wear out!
The drive shafts are less common now, favoring front wheel drive cars, using a solid shaft instead of a long hollow one.
Even the brakes have changed a lot. Fewer and fewer drum brakes even exist on cars, favoring the far simpler disc brakes.
EVs use liquid cooling for their batteries and motors. Without that, instant fire.
Gasoline engines also typically use liquid cooling. The coolant is pretty damn good, too. You don't have to change or flush the system every year anymore.
Cooling has changed a lot.
EVs also have a transmission, although it's a fixed transmission, making it simpler. Like any transmission, it is also liquid cooled.
Not having a carburetor or distributor or high tension ignition system is not merely a detail. It's a completely different way of handling the engine. About the only that's similar is the piston and the cylinder (although improved materials now make them last longer and perform better), and spark or glow plug (depending on the type of engine).
Even the gaskets have changed a LOT. 100 years ago, it was considered routine maintenance to replace your head gasket every few years. Today, with the new materials and more precise design, these gaskets often last the life of the car (assuming you are not abusing them).
About the only other thing gasoline cars have from 100 years ago is a gas tank and exhaust system, and they are also both now made of improved materials.
Sure, there's useless shit on gasoline cars, such as the catalytic converter, which effectively does nothing significant. I call them pollution to pollution converters. They are only there because they are required by the government, and they are expensive, being made of platinum, palladium, or rhodium (all currently worth more than gold).
Pistons, rods, cranks, and transmissions have been around a long time, and are found on more than just gasoline or diesel cars. You find them in external combustion engines (such as steam engines), internal combustion engines, air compressors, certain types of fire extinguishers, syringes, water wheels, air conditioning equipment, EVs, water supply and sewage treatment systems, etc.
Yes...EVs have pistons. You'll find them on the brakes and shocks.
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