Guns and Drugs:A veiw on prohibition

wanderingbear

Radical liberal
The Liberals want the Drugs the conservatives want the guns.Sence everyone wants freedom why dont we all admit that prohibition of any kind not only dosnt work but accually makes things worse and get rid of prohibition all together. After all this is suppose to be a free country.
 
The Liberals want the Drugs the conservatives want the guns.Sence everyone wants freedom why dont we all admit that prohibition of any kind not only dosnt work but accually makes things worse and get rid of prohibition all together. After all this is suppose to be a free country.

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However I'll try and add an element of discussion. I'm all for ending prohibition, but still feel SOME (I.E. very small and very limited) regulation of both items is required. I don't want my kids getting a hold of drugs, nor do I want violent felons getting guns.
 
I approve this post.

However I'll try and add an element of discussion. I'm all for ending prohibition, but still feel SOME (I.E. very small and very limited) regulation of both items is required. I don't want my kids getting a hold of drugs, nor do I want violent felons getting guns.


Well of course some regulations apply. Like kids shouldnt be aloud to have drugs and felons shouldn't have guns. But regulation isnt prohibition.Its just making sure that there are safety rules in place to protect the most vunrable.
 
I'm a Conservative and I'm not opposed to drug legalization. I just know that the entrenched bureaucracy wants as much control over folks lives as possible so will fight tooth and nail to keep the shit illegal. They've written laws enabling them to seize all assets of drug dealers that helps to offset the cost of enforcement.

Which political philosophy do you think is vested in this bureaucracy?
 
I'm a Conservative and I'm not opposed to drug legalization. I just know that the entrenched bureaucracy wants as much control over folks lives as possible so will fight tooth and nail to keep the shit illegal. They've written laws enabling them to seize all assets of drug dealers that helps to offset the cost of enforcement.

Which political philosophy do you think is vested in this bureaucracy?

I hate bureaucracy. And. What? theres something we agree on?
 
Which conservitives the Republicans or the Libertarians?

The ACP Creed
We Believe:

* the legitimacy of government exists only as long as it defends human liberty.
* the origin of human liberty predates government, and therefore liberty cannot be repealed by government.
* the existence of human liberty presupposes the right to defend it, and the basic right to live begets the rights of self-defense and free expression.
* the self-ownership evident in human liberty begets basic rights over one’s self and time, and that the right to pursue happiness and self-fulfillment originate here.
* the boundary of human liberty ends where it transgresses the rights of another. Jurisprudence exists to mediate disputes where the boundaries of more than one individual intersect.
* the armed forces and law enforcement exist to bolster private defense, not to supplant it.
* that the American Experiment was born out of these beliefs and that it has resulted in a bountiful gain for the human condition.

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The ACP Creed
We Believe:

* the legitimacy of government exists only as long as it defends human liberty.
* the origin of human liberty predates government, and therefore liberty cannot be repealed by government.
* the existence of human liberty presupposes the right to defend it, and the basic right to live begets the rights of self-defense and free expression.
* the self-ownership evident in human liberty begets basic rights over one’s self and time, and that the right to pursue happiness and self-fulfillment originate here.
* the boundary of human liberty ends where it transgresses the rights of another. Jurisprudence exists to mediate disputes where the boundaries of more than one individual intersect.
* the armed forces and law enforcement exist to bolster private defense, not to supplant it.
* that the American Experiment was born out of these beliefs and that it has resulted in a bountiful gain for the human condition.

The Green party has the same beliefs. But then what American doesn't believe this?
 
That was simply the Creed. Here are the Principles and the Policy:

Principles of the American Conservative Party
Foundation:

From this Foundation, all principles flow:

* The individual is sovereign
o We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

* Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just limited powers from the consent of the governed
o "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity do ordain and establish the Constitution for the United States of America." What does this mean? Simply put, that the formation of a legitimate government can only occur when the citizens themselves choose to surrender a portion of their inherent authority. The citizens may chose to give, but the government cannot chose to take (or keep) authority against the wishes of its citizenry.


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From our Principles, our Policy Issues will be derived:
Federalism and Social Issues

* We reject the practice of using Government powers for any purpose of social engineering, and we uphold the principle that the individual is sovereign; where social conduct involves personal choices, the People are best served when those choices are embraced and defended at the family and community level.

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* Property currently owned or controlled by the Government is held in Trust for the citizens
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Citizenship

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Citizen Responsibilities

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* It is the responsibility of every citizen to participate in the political process.

Global War on Terror and Iraq and Afghanistan

* We support our service members and their missions in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere. That support includes political and funding issues.
* We believe the proliferation of dangerous weapons (including WMD) has created a need to act against threats before they are capable of being fulfilled. We support preemption.
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Education

The position has been drafted and available for review and comment.

* Establish an Institute for Educational and Academic Standards which will publish standards for educational materials and academic teaching but have no implementation/enforcement/acceptance powers.
* Eliminate the Department of Education, Terminate No Child Left Behind initiative and terminate federal support of the Head Start Programs.

Eminent Domain
The takings of private property for private use is to be prevented. A recent ruling of the United States Supreme Court, Kelo v. City of New London, has shown a need to reinforce the premise that the government does NOT have the right to seize, even with compensation, private property for private use.

Immigration
Immigration is the life blood of the American dream. With very few exceptions, most of us are derived from foreign stock. We support immigration, enthusiastically.
1. We believe that the limitations imposed upon the number of people that may come to this country to work under H-1B visas is a limitation on our Country's ability to compete in the global marketplace. We therefore support the lifting of limits on H-1B visas. However, an H-1B visa should be reserved for those individuals that seek to become American citizens. The term of the H-1B visa should be limited and renewable only once.
2. We support aggressive enforcement of immigration laws by:

* Increasing the fines levied against businesses that hire illegal immigrants;
* illegal immigrants that are arrested for charges unrelated to their status be:
* deported if the charges are misdemeanor;
* deported after adjudication if the charges are felony;

3. We support amnesty/asylum petition hearings only for those illegals that present themselves to immigration authorities prior to any criminal arrest. We also support requiring those that are in the United States illegally to leave and apply for legal immigration from their country of origin
4. Legal immigrants are obligated to pursue citizenship in a timely manner and their continuing presence in the United States should be dependent upon it.
5. The United States is a country of immigrants with a unique and unifying culture. The diversity of culture is to be appreciated, not embraced. English is a unifying force and with the exception of immigration agencies and departments, all government function should be carried out in English only.
Taxes

The government needs funds to carry out the functions and tasks assigned to it by the Constitution. Taxes, fairly assessed, are the primary source of those funds.

1. The government can levy tariffs upon imports, but should do so when the cost of managing those imports imposes a burden on the government. The cost of verifying, inspecting and handling imports should be born by those seeking to deliver goods to the United States. Tariffs should not be used to increase the cost of goods being imported in order to protect or otherwise subsidize domestic goods.

2. The income tax on individuals can impose an undue burden on those earning minimal incomes. We believe a flat tax with significant personal exemptions offers the best opportunity to distribute the burden fairly.
 
Your talking about basic American values. we all start with them. Where the differences begin is in other things Like the Environment and the Peace movement.
 
Well so far they have proven by their actions that they don't. And yes I agree that Obama's actions have proven he's not on the peace train. (A little Muslum philosophy from Cat Stevens.)

That's bullshit. We just have a different way of going at each, both proven to work.

I've gone to graduate school for environmental engineering and have designed many systems to protect the environment. These systems cost money, paid for by the profits of capitalism. A wealthy society is a clean society. Walk down a street lined with the homes of the wealthy and then some ghetto and tell me which 'hood is cleaner.

We conservatives know that the best path for peace is through strength, with ever able bodied citizen at the ready. Look at Switzerland, where every citizen is a member of the Army and every home has a gun. Contrast that with parts of Africa where millions of poorly defended folks have been slaughtered.
 
That's bullshit. We just have a different way of going at each, both proven to work.

I've gone to graduate school for environmental engineering and have designed many systems to protect the environment. These systems cost money, paid for by the profits of capitalism. A wealthy society is a clean society. Walk down a street lined with the homes of the wealthy and then some ghetto and tell me which 'hood is cleaner.

We conservatives know that the best path for peace is through strength, with ever able bodied citizen at the ready. Look at Switzerland, where every citizen is a member of the Army and every home has a gun. Contrast that with parts of Africa where millions of poorly defended folks have been slaughtered.


There were we differ. We of the peace movement say "Warring for peace is like fucking for virginity. The Idea that war or force could ever bring peace is a compleate oxymoron. The only way to bring peace is through Love.
 
There were we differ. We of the peace movement say "Warring for peace is like fucking for virginity. The Idea that war or force could ever bring peace is a compleate oxymoron. The only way to bring peace is through Love.
That sounds great man. But you can't change human nature. War is always started by the stronger taking shit from the weaker. Peace is never achieved through weakness.
 
All we are saying/
is give WAR a chance...

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That sounds great man. But you can't change human nature. War is always started by the stronger taking shit from the weaker. Peace is never achieved through weakness.

You think of pacifism as weakness. You should study Gandhi. He freed the Nation of India through pacifism and a direct refusal to do what he was told.
 
You think of pacifism as weakness. You should study Gandhi. He freed the Nation of India through pacifism and a direct refusal to do what he was told.
I have studied Gandhi. He succeeded with non-violence because he had control of vast labor and resources that Britain needed, and the Brits, being a moral and just people, didn't have the stomach to kill millions of them and enslave the rest. Do you honestly think that tactic would work against Napoleon, Hitler, al-Gaddafi, Saddam Hussein, or Al Queda?
 
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