A Conservative Case for Gay Marriage - Promoting American Values

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Onceler said:
Actually, just about everything he says contradicts it.

The OT is about fear, oppression, intolerance & superstition. The NT - at least the JC parts - are about love, tolerance & fearlessness.

They are diametrical opposites. I always find it amazing that they have been bunched together under one religion.
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again...not true

point out one thing he says that directly contradicts the OT...in fact, jesus frequently cited the OT....

all you're talking about is your intolerance of the OT...calling it superstition etc...i suggest you read what jesus actually said before you continue this nonsense....i suggest further you gain a more full understanding of the history of the OT and the NT and again, i stress, find out what jesus said because you're not speaking the truth onceler, and i'm not just saying that in the way we normally raz each other
 
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

That one line contradicts most of the OT.

I'm sorry if it offends your sensibilities, or makes you afraid.
 
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." is what Jesus said about the prostitute Mary Magdalene when he was asked if shes should be stoned. Mary and Jesus pecame close friends after that.
 
Southern Man said:
Actually, the woman's picture didn't show up in my browser. I'm not sure why, but it may be because it was deemed pornographic by my filtering system. Just your photo turned up. :palm:

And, actually, it was my Haitian friend who made the statement that you are referring to. I assure you that he ain't gay, and neither one of us had "plowed" the dirt road.

Third, actually, lesbians are included in the terms "homosexuals" and "queers" that I typically use.
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The womans photo did appear on your browser. You were just too focused on the man to notice.
 
WinterBorn said:
The most encouraging thing about this topic is the number of conservatives on this board who support gay marriage.

They may argue with you on matters fiscal or party politics, but they stand with you on this topic.
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No offense mate, but that’s wishful thinking on your part. I wish it were true to, but we’d have to be idiots – or worse, climate science deniers – to simply ignore basic and easily available empirical facts.

The Republican Party and movement conservatives more broadly, are very, very anti-gay marriage. That’s how they win a lot of elections, but placing gay marriage bans on state ballots.

GALLUP POLLS
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That reads 80 - eight zero- percent against. And who was it that introduced a proposed amendment to the US Constitution to ban gay marriage?

Here’s the deal man. Message board posters aren’t representative of the electorate at large. Saying one is pro-gay marriage really doesn’t count for more than a bucket full of spit. When someone goes into the voting booth, they are voting on the values that are most important to them. And there are virtually no republicans who run at the national or state level, who are willing to proactively promote marriage equality. So when anyone votes republican, they are 99% of the time, voting against the advancement of marriage equality. And in many cases they are voting to set it back. It’s not a cause celebre, even among the few enlightened republicans. It’s always about taxes and “shadow-boxing some ill-conceived fantasy about socialism, with most of them.”

No doubt there are a lot of moderate or mainstream democratic politicians that aren’t in favor of marriage equality. But at least they don’t actively work against those that do work on behalf of it. I don’t think any one of the dozens of gay ban initiatives were every started or funded in any measurable way by Democrats. The idiot democrats who aren’t on board yet aren’t actively road blocking this in any significant way. They can be run over with, and we can leave tire tracks on their backs. They aren’t throwing up road blocks, and tossing broken glass on the road.

No offense man, this was a good post. I appreciate your enlightened attitude, and that you fight the good fight against the bigots. But, we need to be honest about which people are the actual problem, and who are the roadblocks, to marriage equality. Southernman ain't an anomaly. Especially on the political right.


http://www.gallup.com/video/118889/Republicans-Weekly-Church-Goers-Anti-Gay-Marriage.aspx
 
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Cypress said:
No offense mate, but that’s wishful thinking on your part. I wish it were true to, but we’d have to be idiots – or worse, climate science deniers – to simply ignore basic and easily available empirical facts.

The Republican Party and movement conservatives more broadly, are very, very anti-gay marriage. That’s how they win a lot of elections, but placing gay marriage bans on state ballots.

GALLUP POLLS
presentation2v.jpg


That reads 80 - eight zero- percent against. And who was it that introduced a proposed amendment to the US Constitution to ban gay marriage?

Here’s the deal man. Message board posters aren’t representative of the electorate at large. Saying one is pro-gay marriage really doesn’t count for more than a bucket full of spit. When someone goes into the voting booth, they are voting on the values that are most important to them. And there are virtually no republicans who run at the national or state level, who are willing to proactively promote marriage equality. So when anyone votes republican, they are 99% of the time, voting against the advancement of marriage equality. And in many cases they are voting to set it back. It’s not a cause celebre, even among the few enlightened republicans. It’s always about taxes and “shadow-boxing some ill-conceived fantasy about socialism, with most of them.”

No doubt there are a lot of moderate or mainstream democratic politicians that aren’t in favor of marriage equality. But at least they don’t actively work against those that do work on behalf of it. I don’t think any one of the dozens of gay ban initiatives were every started or funded in any measurable way by Democrats. The idiot democrats who aren’t on board yet aren’t actively road blocking this in any significant way. They can be run over with, and we can leave tire tracks on their backs. They aren’t throwing up road blocks, and tossing broken glass on the road.

No offense man, this was a good post. I appreciate your enlightened attitude, and that you fight the good fight against the bigots. But, we need to be honest about which people are the actual problem, and who are the roadblocks, to marriage equality. Southernman ain't an anomaly. Especially on the political right.


http://www.gallup.com/video/118889/Republicans-Weekly-Church-Goers-Anti-Gay-Marriage.aspx
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lmao... yet another load of crap from the sanctimonious leg humper.

first... yes... we all noticed that you are no longer calling people 'global warming deniers'... why is that gumby? did your masters inform you that the globe is no longer warming so they are switching to climate change? Is this because they all KNOW that the climate has always been changing, is currently changing and will always BE changing and thus it provides them cover whereas they are getting called out for falsifying data, hiding data and out right lying about man made global warming?

That said... back to the topic of this thread. A poll that asks "should gay marriage be legalized" can be answered NO for multiple reasons. Those Reps who believe that the government should not be involved in the marriage portion of the debate would vote NO for that reason. Those Reps who are against gays being married or having cival unions would obviously also vote no. Those reps who are against gay marriage but completely open to civil unions would also vote NO.

But I know... it ruins your sanctimonious bullshit if people point that out. Just as it would ruin your sanctimonious bullshit to point out that Prop 8 passed in CA because the DEMOCRATS did not support it... you lost the African American and Hispanic votes on the issue. So your comments that they aren't throwing up roadblocks is nothing more than another batch of your bullshit. Go tell the gay couples in San Fran that Dems weren't an impediment to their being able to marry. To you, this is a partisan issue. Your continued desire to paint 'liberals good' 'conservatives bad'.

Bottom line you are an a leftwing nutjob. No better than the rightwing nutjobs you love to bash. You are an extremist. One who defends the idiotic policies of Chavez. One who stalks women until they cease talking to you.
 
Onceler said:
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

That one line contradicts most of the OT.

I'm sorry if it offends your sensibilities, or makes you afraid.
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LOL It was illegal at the time for any entity to carry out the death penalty except for Romans. The people in the story were trying to trap Jesus by either condoning the breaking of civil law (which would make Him look bad) or by denouncing the old law (which would make Him bad). He found a way to piss them off and send them packing that allowed Him to save face.
 
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