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ExpressLane said:
A lot of them are tradesmen that need them. Not many people that drive F350 just for Fun they ride too rough.
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Tough realities:
If you are a tradesperson who needs a new top of the line F-350 every year, then you must be getting enough income to pay for it. If not, then you are performing a high price hobby.

Having a high price hobby is fine, but do not complain that you are living paycheck to paycheck when you spending your money on this hobby. No one said free markets were going to be generous with you.
 
Walt said:
Tough realities:
If you are a tradesperson who needs a new top of the line F-350 every year, then you must be getting enough income to pay for it. If not, then you are performing a high price hobby.

Having a high price hobby is fine, but do not complain that you are living paycheck to paycheck when you spending your money on this hobby. No one said free markets were going to be generous with you.
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OK I let you slide once... but now prove how many people are buying a new top of the line F350 EVERY YEAR :rofl2: :laugh: Give me a wild guess how much a new top of the line F350 costs.
 
Walt said:
Tough realities:
If you are a tradesperson who needs a new top of the line F-350 every year, then you must be getting enough income to pay for it. If not, then you are performing a high price hobby.
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If you are in a trade and need an F-350 you could be leasing it and writing off the payments as a business expense. That's what I'd do if I needed one. I could also buy or lease a lower mileage used one and do the same thing to reduce payment costs. I'd also cost that into the price I charged for work just as I would for other machinery and equipment.

[/quote]Having a high price hobby is fine, but do not complain that you are living paycheck to paycheck when you spending your money on this hobby. No one said free markets were going to be generous with you.[/QUOTE]

Many people who own something like that, do have it as a hauler for their fifth wheel trailer or boat. I've seen people with what's called "horse property" here have something like that to pull a horse trailer. That could be more of a semi-hobby than simply a whim.

Also, F-350's are comparatively rare to F-250's and 150's, if you are sticking to just Ford trucks.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
If you are in a trade and need an F-350 you could be leasing it and writing off the payments as a business expense. That's what I'd do if I needed one. I could also buy or lease a lower mileage used one and do the same thing to reduce payment costs. I'd also cost that into the price I charged for work just as I would for other machinery and equipment.

Having a high price hobby is fine, but do not complain that you are living paycheck to paycheck when you spending your money on this hobby. No one said free markets were going to be generous with you.
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Many people who own something like that, do have it as a hauler for their fifth wheel trailer or boat. I've seen people with what's called "horse property" here have something like that to pull a horse trailer. That could be more of a semi-hobby than simply a whim.

Also, F-350's are comparatively rare to F-250's and 150's, if you are sticking to just Ford trucks.
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I have a F250 because My wife has to have a washer and dryer :palm: I like touring the country and we have a 38ft 5th wheel. Personally I would have an under 30ft trailer but you can't find one with W/D hookups. My wife says its a deal breaker .:laugh: Plus I have two boats an older 25 footer striper boat and a bass boat. My bass boat I could pull with F150 but not my striper boat. I would have kept more previous diesel but we wanted to upgrade for travel. I have met LOTS of retirees that have diesels to pull trailers with the campgrounds are full of them..
 
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ExpressLane said:
OK I let you slide once... but now prove how many people are buying a new top of the line F350 EVERY YEAR :rofl2: :laugh: Give me a wild guess how much a new top of the line F350 costs.
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The point is there are people wasting money on vehicles, and then complaining about how they live paycheck to paycheck. AND that is their right, but we need to stop pretend the US Government has somehow let them down. Their parents let them down by not teaching them that a flashy car is just not worth it.

A very nice high end pickup truck will cost you about $100k. A car could easily be a bit higher. They would usually sell the last car for about half the price, so they have to payoff the previous loan for about $50k. Then the new loan might have a monthly cost of $1k a month.

And another thing, these 10 year car loans are absolutely crazy. Maybe if you intend to keep the car for 10 years, and it is a business car... But in most cases anything beyond a 4 year car loan is a mistake.
 
Nordberg said:
I took my dog to the Vet today. 15 vehicles in the parking lot. 2 were sedans.
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I had an acquaintance who justified his 4 door extended cab Toyota Tacoma by saying he might have to haul a corde of wood sometime.

I don't think anyone I ever knew with a Jeep Cherokee ever actually went 4wd off roading in any serious way. And there's no snow in California until you get into the Sierra
 
Walt said:
I like you liking touring the country. Have fun however you want. But do not complain how unfair it is that it costs money.
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I don't so don't worry about it. I planned and saved for my retirement so I'm good. ;) The thing that has been restricting our travel recently is grandkids. We provide childcare. My daughter in law is a teacher so she takes care of them during the summer. So our travel has been restricted to summers. Before that we would go on the road 2-3 months at a time.
 
Walt said:
The point is there are people wasting money on vehicles, and then complaining about how they live paycheck to paycheck. AND that is their right, but we need to stop pretend the US Government has somehow let them down. Their parents let them down by not teaching them that a flashy car is just not worth it.

A very nice high end pickup truck will cost you about $100k. A car could easily be a bit higher. They would usually sell the last car for about half the price, so they have to payoff the previous loan for about $50k. Then the new loan might have a monthly cost of $1k a month.

And another thing, these 10 year car loans are absolutely crazy. Maybe if you intend to keep the car for 10 years, and it is a business car... But in most cases anything beyond a 4 year car loan is a mistake.
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I always pay cash for everything. I hate paying for what I want and paying the banker too. The last thing I took out a loan for was my home and I paid it off in 7 years. I can remember working in the ER and people wouldn't pay a cent for their non-emergent care then walk out and get in a new car and drive off. So I agree with you. But don't pretend that only truck drivers do it because I have seen lots of people in sedans doing it too. Years ago I saw a woman in LITERALLY wear a fur coat wrestling with the choice of paying or her daughter's care with a Medicaid card or a Postal workers insurance card. (I said the Postal worker card ;) ) then she got in a new Cadillac and left. :dunno: She paid at least but how did she have a medicaid card.
 
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Cypress said:
I had an acquaintance who justified his 4 door extended cab Toyota Tacoma by saying he might have to haul a corde of wood sometime.

I don't think anyone I ever knew with a Jeep Cherokee ever actually went 4wd off roading in any serious way. And there's no snow in California until you get into the Sierra
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An extended cab truck has as much more or more cab room as a sedan does and can bring that flat screen tv home too or anything else you might want to haul. I'm constantly hauling bushes , trees , dirty flats of flowers and multiple bags of dirt home for my wife. Heck my wife bought a new recliner for my birthday last week and we picked it up ourselves and saved the $99 delivery fee. Trucks are simply more comfortable to drive and more useful than sedans. I have 4 Wheel drive on my truck. I have only occasionally used it in mud and snow and on steep slick boat ramps. I have ZERO interests in typical off-roading. 4 WD is great when you need it. My brother and I launched my bass boat on a poorly maintained private boat ramp and got stuck. Then I engaged the 4WD and it barely got us out. I thought we would have to get our tractor to get it out. :laugh:
 
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Walt said:
Why on earth would companies looking at strong profits get cash infusions?
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Wait, we're talking about GM and Ford, not companies with strong profits.

They definitely needed them back during Bush years. And they also had problems during the trump years. But they are doing fine now.
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Do you ever tell the truth about anything? Barry da Fairy and Government Motors, Cash for Clunkers.

GTFO...
 
ExpressLane said:
An extended cab truck has as much or more cab room as a sedan does and can bring that flat screen tv home to or anything else you might want to haul. I'm constantly hauling bushes , trees , dirty flats of flowers and multiple bags of dirt home for my wife. Heck my wife bought a new recliner for my birthday last week and we picked it up ourselves and saved the $99 delivery fee. Trucks are simply more comfortable to drive and more useful than sedans.
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Disagreed. I don't think the back seats in the extended cab truck are more comfortable and luxurious than in a minivan or a nice full size sedan. In fact, I find them significantly inferior.

Pick ups are fine for dirty work. I just wouldn't expect the kids, the wife, friends and aquiantences to marvel at the comfort, convenience, and luxury of the back seat in a Tacoma extended cab.
 
Nordberg said:
Look in a parking lot. There are huge trucks and SUVs all over the place. There must be a lot of big ass boats. In fact, people buy those monsters to drive around cities and suburbs.
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Jeep Cherokees, Humvees, and Toyota Tacomas are mostly just penis extenders.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
If you are in a trade and need an F-350 you could be leasing it and writing off the payments as a business expense. That's what I'd do if I needed one. I could also buy or lease a lower mileage used one and do the same thing to reduce payment costs. I'd also cost that into the price I charged for work just as I would for other machinery and equipment.

Having a high price hobby is fine, but do not complain that you are living paycheck to paycheck when you spending your money on this hobby. No one said free markets were going to be generous with you.
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Many people who own something like that, do have it as a hauler for their fifth wheel trailer or boat. I've seen people with what's called "horse property" here have something like that to pull a horse trailer. That could be more of a semi-hobby than simply a whim.

Also, F-350's are comparatively rare to F-250's and 150's, if you are sticking to just Ford trucks.
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Mostly ranchers hauling cattle trailers and contractors hauling tractors using them around here. A 350 rides a little too rough for a non-work vehicle.
 
All you have to do is remember all the car commercials for Jeep Cherokees and Toyota Tacomas. They are not being marketed as farm vehicles or transportation for lumber and cordes of firewood.

They are marketed to the fantasy of the rugged outdoorsman and woman.
 
Cypress said:
Disagreed. I don't think the back seats in the extended cab truck are more comfortable and luxurious than in a minivan or a nice full size sedan. In fact, I find them significantly inferior.

Pick ups are fine for dirty work. I just wouldn't expect the kids, the wife, friends and aquiantences to marvel at the comfort, convenience, and luxury of the back seat in a Tacoma extended cab.
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I said sedans not minivans. (nice try though( :laugh:

What is your thing about the mid sized Tacoma? Toyota's full size truck is the Tundra.

Let's compare a full sized sedan and an extended full sized truck from the same manufacturer. Bold equals bigger.


Dodge 300 full size sedan

Headroom: 38.6 inches in the front, 37.9 inches in the rear
Legroom: 41.8 inches in the front, 40.1 inches in the rear
Hiproom: 56.2 inches in the front, 56.1 inches in the rear
Shoulder room: 59.5 inches in the front, 57.7 inches in the rear
Cargo volume: 16.3 cubic feet

Dodge truck

Front head room: 40.9 inches
Front legroom: 40.9 inches
Front shoulder room: 65.9 inches
Front hip room: 62.9 inches
Rear head room: 40.3 inches
Rear legroom: 43.1 inches
Rear shoulder room: 65.6 inches
Rear hip room: 62.8 inches

You lose.

Cargo Volume 57.1 cubic feet
 
ExpressLane said:
I said sedans not minivans. (nice try though( :laugh:

What is your thing about the mid sized Tacoma? Toyota's full size truck is the Tundra.

Let's compare a full sized sedan and an extended full sized truck from the same manufacturer. Bold equals bigger.


Dodge 300 full size sedan

Headroom: 38.6 inches in the front, 37.9 inches in the rear
Legroom: 41.8 inches in the front, 40.1 inches in the rear
Hiproom: 56.2 inches in the front, 56.1 inches in the rear
Shoulder room: 59.5 inches in the front, 57.7 inches in the rear
Cargo volume: 16.3 cubic feet

Dodge truck

Front head room: 40.9 inches
Front legroom: 40.9 inches
Front shoulder room: 65.9 inches
Front hip room: 62.9 inches
Rear head room: 40.3 inches
Rear legroom: 43.1 inches
Rear shoulder room: 65.6 inches
Rear hip room: 62.8 inches

You lose.

Cargo Volume 57.1 cubic feet
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The free market determines which is superior.


99 percent of Moms with kids I know prefer minivans or SUVs for them and their kids. I assume for the comfort and convenience.

It is very rare to see a soccer Mom roll into the soccer field with her kids in a Ford F-250, or extended cab Tacoma.
 
Cypress said:
The free market determines which is superior.


99 percent of Moms with kids I know prefer minivans or SUVs for them and their kids. I assume for the comfort and convenience.

It is very rare to see a soccer Mom roll into the soccer field with her kids in a Ford F-250, or extended cab Tacoma.
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There you go with Tacoma again :laugh:

And in Texas those soccer dads drive Trucks. When my son was young we owned a minivan and a Truck. I won't disagree that minivans are great people haulers I liked mine. It was great for hauling my son's soccer team in to eat pizza after the game. But YOU are moving the soccer goalposts. And I still couldn't pull my boats or my 5th wheel with a minivan :laugh: I said full size trucks are more roomy than sedans. And virtually every available car option is also available in trucks.

I do see a lot of women driving trucks in Texas though.;)


Texas leads the nation in pickup truck sales volume. In 2014, Texas sold 322,000 pickups, which was 15% of the total 2.1 million pickups sold in the U.S.. One fourth of all new vehicles sold in Texas are pickup trucks.
Texas ranks 23rd in the nation for the state's total vehicle share. However, Texas ranks 14th in pickups' share of new-vehicle sales.
 
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