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The problem with that is so many people are wrongly convicted. Derek chauvin for instance. Both legally and ethically, he did the right thing, but none of that mattered.

The number of people wrongly convicted is miniscule. And, what I suggested only applies to those with life sentences in any case, a small fraction of those incarcerated.
 
The problem with that is so many people are wrongly convicted. Derek chauvin for instance. Both legally and ethically, he did the right thing, but none of that mattered.

Nobody with enough mental capability to physically turn on a cell phone or laptop
really thinks that the troglodyte Chauvin was innocent.

I do believe prison is too harsh for any offender, however,
because sane people in control of their actions don't commit crimes like that.

Humane euthanasia is the only thing that makes sense for unrehabilitatable sociopaths.
It's not punishment. It's mercy.
 
I believe fully in due process. But once found guilty for a serious violent crime you can never repay the debt in lives and property lost into the woodchipper you go... No life in prison without parole sentences whatsoever. You get tossed in and we're done with you.
That's not what the conversation was about since it was a prejudicial. Still, your comments violate the Eighth Amendment so you're still a Trumper seeking to shred the Constitution, Terry. :)

If there was actual justice in this world family members of the victim would be allowed to run over these animals. But as iit is what passes for "justice" will have to do.
I prefer the woodchipper and a pig farm...
 
That's not what the conversation was about since it was a prejudicial. Still, your comments violate the Eighth Amendment so you're still a Trumper seeking to shred the Constitution, Terry. :)

We define what is "cruel." Putting someone to death for having committed serious crimes isn't cruel. It is reasonable that society is saying We're done with you, and you will die for what you did. That death doesn't have to be painless or immediate. Cruel would be to deliberately prolong it out of wanting to punish the person being put to death through the means used. A large meat grinder / woodchipper would kill someone in a virtual instant.
 
We define what is "cruel." Putting someone to death for having committed serious crimes isn't cruel. It is reasonable that society is saying We're done with you, and you will die for what you did. That death doesn't have to be painless or immediate. Cruel would be to deliberately prolong it out of wanting to punish the person being put to death through the means used. A large meat grinder / woodchipper would kill someone in a virtual instant.
The Nazi used to strangle people to death by purposely not dropping them far enough to break their necks. We us a standard anesthesia induction method of an amnestic (Midazolam) then a paralytic (pancuronium). Then we give them a massive dose of potassium to stop their heart. It is no more cruel than a typical general anesthetic.
 
The Nazi used to strangle people to death by purposely not dropping them far enough to break their necks. We us a standard anesthesia induction method of an amnestic (Midazolam) then a paralytic (pancuronium). Then we give them a massive dose of potassium to stop their heart. It is no more cruel than a typical general anesthetic.

I prefer the woodchipper...
 
We define what is "cruel." Putting someone to death for having committed serious crimes isn't cruel. It is reasonable that society is saying We're done with you, and you will die for what you did. That death doesn't have to be painless or immediate.

Cruel would be to deliberately prolong it out of wanting to punish the person being put to death through the means used. A large meat grinder / woodchipper would kill someone in a virtual instant.
Intentional pain. An eye for an eye isn't the path both English and American law have taken, Terry.

Not sure what you mean there. The appeal process? You want to get rid of court appeals now? Bullshit on the woodchipper. In the basement with a .45 to the back of the head is virtually instant as long as the shooter doesn't flinch. The woodchipper, not so much. Same with the pigs. Good place for the bodies, but not a cruelty-free execution process.
 
Intentional pain. An eye for an eye isn't the path both English and American law have taken, Terry.

Not sure what you mean there. The appeal process? You want to get rid of court appeals now? Bullshit on the woodchipper. In the basement with a .45 to the back of the head is virtually instant as long as the shooter doesn't flinch. The woodchipper, not so much. Same with the pigs. Good place for the bodies, but not a cruelty-free execution process.

Oh, the defendant is entitled to every right and recourse under law. What I don't want is us putting career criminals and violent offenders, particularly repeat offenders, in prison for multiple life sentences without parole. That is the height of stupidity. Why keep someone alive who has ZERO value to society and is potentially a risk for committing more crimes in prison?

Why should we risk the lives of other inmates and the guards to keep some violent, convicted, asshole alive that might assault or kill another inmate or a guard? Why risk that? What does society gain by doing that?
 
The number of people wrongly convicted is miniscule.

And, what I suggested only applies to those with life sentences in any case, a small fraction of those incarcerated.
So you're okay with imprisoning innocent people in order to nail the most bad guys, Terry?

Same goes for the death penalty. Even more so because you are willingly and literally handing over to government the power of life and death over a fellow citizen. Again, are you really willing to give a government the power to kill fellow citizens even though you know they fuck up a few and execute innocent Americans?

Will the real authoritarians please stand up?
 
So you're okay with imprisoning innocent people in order to nail the most bad guys, Terry?

Complex question fallacy.

Same goes for the death penalty. Even more so because you are willingly and literally handing over to government the power of life and death over a fellow citizen. Again, are you really willing to give a government the power to kill fellow citizens even though you know they fuck up a few and execute innocent Americans?

Will the real authoritarians please stand up?

We have a legal process. It is as good as we can make it. Is it perfect? No. Wanting perfection is just another logical fallacy. If we wait or want absolutely perfect results, nothing would be done because perfection is difficult or impossible to obtain.
 
Complex question fallacy.



We have a legal process. It is as good as we can make it. Is it perfect? No. Wanting perfection is just another logical fallacy. If we wait or want absolutely perfect results, nothing would be done because perfection is difficult or impossible to obtain.

I guess Dutch just wants to bulldoze the prisons.
 
Complex question fallacy.

We have a legal process. It is as good as we can make it. Is it perfect? No. Wanting perfection is just another logical fallacy. If we wait or want absolutely perfect results, nothing would be done because perfection is difficult or impossible to obtain.
Nice dodge, Terry.

Agreed we have a legal process. What you are condoning is willfully executing Americans by empowering the US Federal and State governments with the power of life and death over citizens even though you know a "miniscule" number are innocent Americans. I'd rather give my fellow citizens life in prison, no parole unless there was absolute certainty of their guilt.
 
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