Small Government Haiti....

Jarod said:
Liberalism...

Liberalism (from the Latin liberalis, "of freedom; worthy of a free man, gentlemanlike, courteous, generous"[1]) is the belief in the importance of individual freedom. This belief is widely accepted today throughout the world, and was recognized as an important value by many philosophers throughout history. The Roman Emperor Marcus Aurelius wrote praising "the idea of a polity administered with regard to equal rights and equal freedom of speech, and the idea of a kingly government which respects most of all the freedom of the governed".[2]

Modern liberalism has its roots in the Age of Enlightenment and rejects many foundational assumptions that dominated most earlier theories of government, such as the Divine Right of Kings, hereditary status, and established religion. John Locke is often credited with the philosophical foundations of modern liberalism. He wrote "no one ought to harm another in his life, health, liberty, or possessions."[3]

In the 17th Century, liberal ideas began to influence governments in Europe, in nations such as The Netherlands, Switzerland, England and Poland, but they were strongly opposed, often by armed might, by those who favored absolute monarchy and established religion. In the 18th Century, in America, the first modern liberal state was founded, without a monarch or a hereditary aristocracy.[4] The American Declaration of Independence includes the words (which echo Locke) "all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness; that to insure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed."[5]

Liberalism comes in many forms. According to John N. Gray, the essence of liberalism is toleration of different beliefs and of different ideas as to what constitutes a good life.[6]

Do you now see why your statement is so silly, you dont even know what a liberal is!
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Wow more evidence of your dim-wittiness. I don't know where to begin.
 
Jarod a legitimate discussion can be had over what constitutes 'limited government' or 'small government' etc. But to echo the point made by others your post is just in really poor taste.

I understand the idea of being open minded and listening to Rush Limbaugh like you do but I think its rubbing off on you in a bad way.
 
Jarod said:
Do you now see why your statement is so silly, you dont even know what a liberal is!
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I know perfectly well what a real liberal is, I used to be one before the radical leftists dominated the liberal platform. Until the real 'liberals' can yank back their party from the radical totalitarians, liberal dictator is a perfectly valid identification.
 
Socrtease said:
Yeah I bet the Haitians wish tehy had Papa Doc back, or his son. Things were so good under the Docs.
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Straw Man.

About 30 years ago I had a good friend who had escaped Haiti and I heard shit that would fill your shorts. 15 years ago when I flew over the island at 20,000 feet you could see the border with the DR, all nice and green on the east and shitty brown on the left. Things have been fucked up there for a long time.
 
Ill bet the Hatians wish they had a liberal government instead of severly limited government.
 
I do not belive it is in bad taste to open an honest discussion about one of the factors that caused this earthquake to cause worse damamge the others of its same size.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
question. why weren't the haitians prepared to survive on their own until government could restore services?
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1) I dont belive "restored services" is the correct term.

2) How would you suggest that these desperatly poor people prepare for such a dissaster!
 
Jarod said:
I do not belive it is in bad taste to open an honest discussion about one of the factors that caused this earthquake to cause worse damamge the others of its same size.
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Well then you're an idiot for if you really believe people in the U.S. want a Hatian (sp) style government.
 
cawacko said:
Well then you're an idiot for if you really believe people in the U.S. want a Hatian (sp) style government.
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I do not believe people in the U.S. want a Hatitian style government. Where did I say that? I belvie that people who scream limited government do not know what they are asking for.

If we had no taxes we would have a hatitan style government.
 
Jarod said:
I do not believe people in the U.S. want a Hatitian style government. Where did I say that? I belvie that people who scream limited government do not know what they are asking for.
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I might agree with you on this point, at least partially. limited government requires something that most people are unprepared for or unwilling to deal with.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
what would you deem the proper 'term'.


you store food and water. have a weapon or 8 to protect you and your stored food/water. you group with a few like minded individuals who do the same.

Why are they poor?
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They are poor because the French enslaved them and took all they ever had generations ago and society has not had an oppertunity to develop.

The proper term is services, because restored services indicates they existed in the first place.

desperatly poor people cannor afford guns, extra water or food, they are lucky to have enough to get through the day.

The buildings they could have stored food and water in are gone!
 
Jarod said:
They are poor because the French enslaved them and took all they ever had generations ago and society has not had an oppertunity to develop.
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then why aren't you blaming the french instead of blaming america?

Jarod said:
The proper term is services, because restored services indicates they existed in the first place.
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forgive my lack of knowledge on Haiti, but you telling me these people didn't have food, water, shelter?

Jarod said:
desperatly poor people cannor afford guns, extra water or food, they are lucky to have enough to get through the day.
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Their 'ruler' is a multi millionaire. why didnt he supply his people?

Jarod said:
The buildings they could have stored food and water in are gone!
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Bunkers, holes in the ground, and other like minded places. I have several stashes of survival food and water places.....just in case.
 
cawacko said:
Jarod a legitimate discussion can be had over what constitutes 'limited government' or 'small government' etc. But to echo the point made by others your post is just in really poor taste.

I understand the idea of being open minded and listening to Rush Limbaugh like you do but I think its rubbing off on you in a bad way.
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You know, you might be right. I was listening to the bloated gas bag on the way to work this morning and he was ALREADY using the situation in Haiti to attack President Obama. So maybe that's where Jarod got his idea?
 
ZappasGuitar said:
You know, you might be right. I was listening to the bloated gas bag on the way to work this morning and he was ALREADY using the situation in Haiti to attack President Obama. So maybe that's where Jarod got his idea?
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It is likely that is the case. If you crazy ass liberals would stop listening to Rush, then we could simply ignore his fat ignorant ass.
 
Superfreak said:
It is likely that is the case. If you crazy ass liberals would stop listening to Rush, then we could simply ignore his fat ignorant @$@.
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Don't you know, he is a great republican leader...shaping republican policy and such. That is if you listen to the liberal side of the political spectrum.
 
leaningright said:
Don't you know, he is a great republican leader...shaping republican policy and such. That is if you listen to the liberal side of the political spectrum.
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I swear... I should keep a tally.... It would be interesting to see who actually quotes Rush more.... Liberals or Conservatives.

I am starting to believe he has more of his opponents listening to his show than he does supporters. No wonder he has good ratings.
 
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