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Here's an interesting little tidbit from 7 years ago regarding just how HAMAS came to be and why. Seems somewhat prophetic now, but I'll bet you dollars to donuts that the vast majority of folk on both sides of the fence (pro-Palestinian and pro-Israel) either have forgotten or don't the following:


How Israel helped create Hamas

To a certain degree, the Islamist organization whose militant wing has rained rockets on Israel the past few weeks has the Jewish state to thank for its existence. Hamas launched in 1988 in Gaza at the time of the first intifada, or uprising, with a charter now infamous for its anti-Semitism and its refusal to accept the existence of the Israeli state. But for more than a decade prior, Israeli authorities actively enabled its rise.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2014/07/30/how-israel-helped-create-hamas/
 
Here's an interesting little tidbit from 7 years ago regarding just how HAMAS came to be and why. Seems somewhat prophetic now, but I'll bet you dollars to donuts that the vast majority of folk on both sides of the fence (pro-Palestinian and pro-Israel) either have forgotten or don't the following:


How Israel helped create Hamas

To a certain degree, the Islamist organization whose militant wing has rained rockets on Israel the past few weeks has the Jewish state to thank for its existence. Hamas launched in 1988 in Gaza at the time of the first intifada, or uprising, with a charter now infamous for its anti-Semitism and its refusal to accept the existence of the Israeli state. But for more than a decade prior, Israeli authorities actively enabled its rise.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2014/07/30/how-israel-helped-create-hamas/

Not this bullshit again. I wish you people hate the guts Hamas has to admit you just want to get rid of Jews. You want them to stop resisting walking to the ovens.
 
Not this bullshit again. I wish you people hate the guts Hamas has to admit you just want to get rid of Jews. You want them to stop resisting walking to the ovens.

Can you factually disprove the information provided? No? Then what makes you think all your bluff and bluster is going to make it magically go away?

Yahoo and company fucked up...then and now. The Israeli people suffer because of his corrupt zionist gov't, and the Palestinians have been getting in the neck for over 50 years.

Think, Yaky, THINK! Hamas was elected but NOT by all Palestinians, just like ALL of our American presidents since you were born were NOT elected by all Americans. Also, there is no battleground for Hamas and the IDF to have at it. The Israel gov't saw to that when they herded those people into that region and then walled them off.

War is done by the arrogant, the desperate and the foolish.
 
Tired of hearing about Israel every fucking day. Who cares.

Our military/industrial complex does, as does the imperialistic nature of many in our gov't. There's a video of a young Sen. Joe Biden stating that if there were not an Israel, we (America) would have to create one to maintain/support "our interest" in the region. And then there's AIPAC. Just saying.
 
Our military/industrial complex does, as does the imperialistic nature of many in our gov't. There's a video of a young Sen. Joe Biden stating that if there were not an Israel, we (America) would have to create one to maintain/support "our interest" in the region. And then there's AIPAC. Just saying.

Fully agree with all you said.
 
Can you factually disprove the information provided? No? Then what makes you think all your bluff and bluster is going to make it magically go away?

Yahoo and company fucked up...then and now. The Israeli people suffer because of his corrupt zionist gov't, and the Palestinians have been getting in the neck for over 50 years.

Think, Yaky, THINK! Hamas was elected but NOT by all Palestinians, just like ALL of our American presidents since you were born were NOT elected by all Americans. Also, there is no battleground for Hamas and the IDF to have at it. The Israel gov't saw to that when they herded those people into that region and then walled them off.

War is done by the arrogant, the desperate and the foolish.

Hamas is a rabid dog elected by palestinians
 
Hamas is a rabid dog elected by palestinians

As opposed to what, electing a corporate stooge like Reagan, or a corporate doofus like G.W. Bush, or a totally unqualified con man like Dump? Hell, you've had local elections of neo-fascist and a former KKK leader in our not too distant past. And those were elected in situations NO WHERE NEAR WHAT THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE HAVE LIVED UNDER FOR DAMN NEAR 70 YEARS!

So again, NOT ALL THE PEOPLE ELECTED HAMAS. A matter of fact, a matter of history. For your education:

Those posts omitted important context. It was true that Hamas won the latest election among Palestinians in Gaza — it happened in 2006 — though that victory was not by a majority of votes. The militant group did, however, win the majority of seats in the legislature. Furthermore, it was misleading to conflate that electoral outcome with the views of people in the region today.


https://www.snopes.com/news/2023/11/01/majority-palestinians-gaza-elect-hamas/
 
Here's an interesting little tidbit from 7 years ago regarding just how HAMAS came to be and why. Seems somewhat prophetic now, but I'll bet you dollars to donuts that the vast majority of folk on both sides of the fence (pro-Palestinian and pro-Israel) either have forgotten or don't the following:


How Israel helped create Hamas

To a certain degree, the Islamist organization whose militant wing has rained rockets on Israel the past few weeks has the Jewish state to thank for its existence. Hamas launched in 1988 in Gaza at the time of the first intifada, or uprising, with a charter now infamous for its anti-Semitism and its refusal to accept the existence of the Israeli state. But for more than a decade prior, Israeli authorities actively enabled its rise.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2014/07/30/how-israel-helped-create-hamas/

Did Israel create Hamas?

Since the first day of the Movement’s existence, Israel has been targeting its leaders and members, even before its official establishment in the 1980s. It has pursued its leaders through arrests, deportations as well as continuous assassinations. The majority of the Movement’s top figures and dozens of leaders have been martyred as a result of the assassination policy.

Despite the Occupation’s assassination of the Movement’s leaders multiple times, there are still people who believe in the conspiracy theory that Israel created Hamas to combat the nationalist movement. This claim lacks any logical basis and is closer to absurdity and intellectual deception. It is inconceivable that Israel, for the sake of fighting the nationalist movement, would seek to revive the religious movement, which has historically been the first enemy of colonial forces and has been fought against and defeated over the years. We witnessed this throughout the period of liberation of all Arab and Islamic countries from colonial forces. In Sudan, there was Muhammad Ahmad Al-Mahdi; in Libya, there was Omar Mukhtar and Muhammad Idris Al-Senussi; in Algeria, there was Abdelkader El Djezairi and in Palestine itself, Sheikh Amin Al-Husseini, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem. It has always been the Islamic background that faced colonialism. It would be foolish to create a large enemy just to confront a smaller one.


The declaration of the Hamas Movement in 1987, as a struggle Movement came as a result of the global Islamic Movement. Prior to that, the Muslim Brotherhood in Palestine sought to engage in real military action unofficially. The evidence of this is the arrest of Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, “the founder of Hamas”, in 1983, on charges of weapon storage. He was sentenced to thirteen years, but was released in a prisoner exchange in 1985. In fact, throughout the Muslim Brotherhood’s history, there were attempts to establish a military situation to confront the Occupation. One of the most prominent figures involved in these attempts in the 1970s, albeit unofficially, was Sheikh Sayed Abu Musameh, one of Hamas’s top leaders.

The Fatah Movement, the backbone of the Palestinian nationalist movement in the seventies, which was led back then by Yasser Arafat and, after him, Mahmoud Abbas, had a close affinity to Muslim Brotherhood. Even some of Fatah’s founders were members of the Muslim Brotherhood, most notably Abu Jihad Al-Wazir, who was responsible for the youth sector in the Brotherhood. His initial experience in fighting the Occupation was linked to the Muslim Brotherhood, whose volunteers emerged in 1948.

During Fatah’s presence in Jordan, there was a military effort by the Islamic Movement, known at the time as the “Sheikhs’ Bases” in 1968. This was based on an agreement between Fatah and the Muslim Brotherhood to allow the Brotherhood to train and establish independent bases in the Jordan Valley and conduct resistance activities under their cover, including joint operations.

Later on, when Hamas established itself as a prominent Palestinian resistance movement, other Palestinian factions, in particular the PLO, started seeing Hamas as a serious threat to their domination of the Palestinian political scene. To face the growing support for Hamas, they claimed that the Occupation allowed Hamas to emerge as a popular force within the Palestinian people. This claim is nothing short of absurdity because, even when Muslim Brotherhood in Palestine was just a charitable and popular movement and had not evolved into Hamas, it was strong and present in student activities and university elections, competing with Fatah and the left. The difference in victory between the two was minimal.

Claims by the Israelis that they helped Hamas to grow, to divide the Palestinian national movement is not proof that Hamas was created by Israel. It is a well-known fact that all colonial forces tried to play the game of divide and conquer to subdue the local people. Yet, Hamas could not be held responsible for the enemy’s oppressive intentions. These attempts were carried out by the Occupation with Hamas, Fatah and all Palestinian movements. In fact, the establishment of the Palestinian Authority came in this context.

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20231115-did-israel-create-hamas/
 
The myth that Israel/Netanyahu created/funded Hamas

The truth behind the social media anti-Israel lies.




Since these false claims that Israel created Hamas or that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu supported Hamas are circulating across social media, let’s address them.

Hamas is an arm of the Muslim Brotherhood, an organization founded in Egypt in the 1920s, before the rebirth of the State of Israel, but which now has a presence in Israel and in much of the world. In its early days it coordinated with the Nazis and received support from Nazi Germany.

https://www.jns.org/the-myth-that-israel-netanyahu-created-funded-hamas/
 
Did Israel create Hamas?

Since the first day of the Movement’s existence, Israel has been targeting its leaders and members, even before its official establishment in the 1980s. It has pursued its leaders through arrests, deportations as well as continuous assassinations. The majority of the Movement’s top figures and dozens of leaders have been martyred as a result of the assassination policy.

Despite the Occupation’s assassination of the Movement’s leaders multiple times, there are still people who believe in the conspiracy theory that Israel created Hamas to combat the nationalist movement. This claim lacks any logical basis and is closer to absurdity and intellectual deception. It is inconceivable that Israel, for the sake of fighting the nationalist movement, would seek to revive the religious movement, which has historically been the first enemy of colonial forces and has been fought against and defeated over the years. We witnessed this throughout the period of liberation of all Arab and Islamic countries from colonial forces. In Sudan, there was Muhammad Ahmad Al-Mahdi; in Libya, there was Omar Mukhtar and Muhammad Idris Al-Senussi; in Algeria, there was Abdelkader El Djezairi and in Palestine itself, Sheikh Amin Al-Husseini, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem. It has always been the Islamic background that faced colonialism. It would be foolish to create a large enemy just to confront a smaller one.


The declaration of the Hamas Movement in 1987, as a struggle Movement came as a result of the global Islamic Movement. Prior to that, the Muslim Brotherhood in Palestine sought to engage in real military action unofficially. The evidence of this is the arrest of Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, “the founder of Hamas”, in 1983, on charges of weapon storage. He was sentenced to thirteen years, but was released in a prisoner exchange in 1985. In fact, throughout the Muslim Brotherhood’s history, there were attempts to establish a military situation to confront the Occupation. One of the most prominent figures involved in these attempts in the 1970s, albeit unofficially, was Sheikh Sayed Abu Musameh, one of Hamas’s top leaders.

The Fatah Movement, the backbone of the Palestinian nationalist movement in the seventies, which was led back then by Yasser Arafat and, after him, Mahmoud Abbas, had a close affinity to Muslim Brotherhood. Even some of Fatah’s founders were members of the Muslim Brotherhood, most notably Abu Jihad Al-Wazir, who was responsible for the youth sector in the Brotherhood. His initial experience in fighting the Occupation was linked to the Muslim Brotherhood, whose volunteers emerged in 1948.

During Fatah’s presence in Jordan, there was a military effort by the Islamic Movement, known at the time as the “Sheikhs’ Bases” in 1968. This was based on an agreement between Fatah and the Muslim Brotherhood to allow the Brotherhood to train and establish independent bases in the Jordan Valley and conduct resistance activities under their cover, including joint operations.

Later on, when Hamas established itself as a prominent Palestinian resistance movement, other Palestinian factions, in particular the PLO, started seeing Hamas as a serious threat to their domination of the Palestinian political scene. To face the growing support for Hamas, they claimed that the Occupation allowed Hamas to emerge as a popular force within the Palestinian people. This claim is nothing short of absurdity because, even when Muslim Brotherhood in Palestine was just a charitable and popular movement and had not evolved into Hamas, it was strong and present in student activities and university elections, competing with Fatah and the left. The difference in victory between the two was minimal.

Claims by the Israelis that they helped Hamas to grow, to divide the Palestinian national movement is not proof that Hamas was created by Israel. It is a well-known fact that all colonial forces tried to play the game of divide and conquer to subdue the local people. Yet, Hamas could not be held responsible for the enemy’s oppressive intentions. These attempts were carried out by the Occupation with Hamas, Fatah and all Palestinian movements. In fact, the establishment of the Palestinian Authority came in this context.

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20231115-did-israel-create-hamas/

Obviously the author of your link did NOT read the title or content of mine. How Israel helped create Hamas An excerpt:



The last election in Gaza occurred around 17 years ago, in 2006. The election saw a political split between the secular Fatah (a branch of the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO)) that dominated the PLO since the 1967 Arab-Israeli War, and the Islamist Hamas that formed in 1987 as an offshoot of Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood.

Hamas in its early days, according to former Israeli officials, was seen by the government of Israel as a counterweight to the PLO. Israel supported Hamas as a way to break the PLO's hold on the region. Retired official Avner Cohen, who worked in Gaza in the 1990s and oversaw religious affairs in the region, told the WSJ in 2009, “Hamas, to my great regret, is Israel’s creation." That report continued: The Israeli government officially recognized a precursor to Hamas called Mujama Al Islamiya, registering the group as a charity. It allowed Mujama members to set up an Islamic university and build mosques, clubs and schools. Crucially, Israel often stood aside when the Islamists and their secular left-wing Palestinian rivals battled, sometimes violently, for influence in both Gaza and the West Bank.

Israeli officials, however, disagree that they should be blamed for Hamas' growth. Instead, they argue outsiders like Iran helped the military group ascend. (Iran, as of this writing, continued to be a major backer of the organization.)


Curious, how can you be so anti-black in America but pro-Israeli across the ocean? Does this attitude carry over to American Jews?
 
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