You Trumppers were sure China would attack Taiwan.

PostmodernProphet said:
so what DO you want to become......a "Western" modern country?......are you moving away from communism toward capitalism?......what makes us uncomfortable is government control of every business enterprise......the current situation you are experiencing is what we consider the failure inherent in having an entire economy dictated by a handful of people......
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We want to become an independent, territorial integrity, and sovereign country. This is a long-term goal. You can see that we attach great importance to industry. Because our idea is very simple, if we need something, we make it. From a political perspective, although many people believe that we are not 'communists', fundamentally speaking, we still believe that workers and farmers are the foundation of the country. Therefore, we will not allow the country to develop unrestricted according to the logic of capitalism, because it means the rapid development of financial capital and the decline of industry. Without strong industry, the interests of workers will be harmed.

So you often see news about "companies being restricted by the government". In this scenario, foreign media likes to describe the government as "bad", but if you understand the story behind it, you will find that these companies are not innocent.

From a political perspective, China's bourgeoisie lacks "independence". Before 1949, they were foreign agents in China, although this may be exaggerated. To be precise, they placed their own interests first, foreign interests second, and domestic interests third (if they really care about domestic interests).

Americans will not have a strong feeling about this because the United States is the center of the world's finance, and the US dollar is the strongest currency in the world. Any move by the Federal Reserve will directly affect the world economy. For all capitalists in the world, the United States is their homeland. (Of course, this is an exaggerated statement)

If we were a very small country, we could also rely on the US economy，like other small countries. But the problem is that we have one-fifth of the world's population, and it is difficult for us to become wealthy. We cannot transfer too many benefits to other countries. If we rely on other countries(too much), we will lose any hope.
 
Bigdog said:
Your English is very good. There is much to admire about the Chinese people, but many of us do not agree with your form of gov't.

Personally, I like Chinese Taoism very much, and some ancient Chinese medicine including acupuncture. Though I disagree with the use of animal parts like rhinoceros horns as cures (are you aware of Viagra or Cialis medicines), ... and the inhumane treatment of many wild animals such as harvesting bile from bears and "shark finning" for soup.

I think Trump is very pragmatic and wise. China is outsmarting us in international trade, and ignoring patent and copyright laws. The U.S. goods and services trade deficit with China was $367.4 billion in 2022. The U.S. is losing the economic Trade War with China very badly.

I have not read the "China Mirage". Have you read George Orwell's "Nineteen eighty four" (1984) or "Animal Farm"? They are short, fictional books about politics and dystopian societies. I highly recommend them. They have both been made into movies, though Animal Farm is an animated cartoon style.


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In China, 1984 is a very famous book, and George Orwell is a famous writer. I don't know if Americans know this: we are very familiar with these theories that praise freedom and criticize authoritarianism, including some of Hayek's economic theories. We are very familiar with concepts such as "human rights", "democracy", and "freedom".

It may surprise some Americans that we the Chinese are actually a group of people who grew up watching American movies and Japanese anime. In fact, poor copyright protection has even allowed us to watch more American movies than Americans...
 
After seeing how badly the Russia invasion of Ukraine went, and realizing how much more difficult invading Taiwan would be... It will be a while before China even thinks of trying. Another Biden success.
 
Jack Grealish said:
We want to become an independent, territorial integrity, and sovereign country. This is a long-term goal. You can see that we attach great importance to industry. Because our idea is very simple, if we need something, we make it. From a political perspective, although many people believe that we are not 'communists', fundamentally speaking, we still believe that workers and farmers are the foundation of the country. Therefore, we will not allow the country to develop unrestricted according to the logic of capitalism, because it means the rapid development of financial capital and the decline of industry. Without strong industry, the interests of workers will be harmed.

So you often see news about "companies being restricted by the government". In this scenario, foreign media likes to describe the government as "bad", but if you understand the story behind it, you will find that these companies are not innocent.

From a political perspective, China's bourgeoisie lacks "independence". Before 1949, they were foreign agents in China, although this may be exaggerated. To be precise, they placed their own interests first, foreign interests second, and domestic interests third (if they really care about domestic interests).

Americans will not have a strong feeling about this because the United States is the center of the world's finance, and the US dollar is the strongest currency in the world. Any move by the Federal Reserve will directly affect the world economy. For all capitalists in the world, the United States is their homeland. (Of course, this is an exaggerated statement)

If we were a very small country, we could also rely on the US economy，like other small countries. But the problem is that we have one-fifth of the world's population, and it is difficult for us to become wealthy. We cannot transfer too many benefits to other countries. If we rely on other countries(too much), we will lose any hope.
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a lot to digest......do you not understand that the upper echelon of the party stands between you and success in those goals.......you say "these companies are not innocent"......but the simple reality is, those companies are only permitted to do what the government tells them to do.......they follow instructions and if the government's instructions fail, the people who did what they were told are the ones punished.......
 
PostmodernProphet said:
a lot to digest......do you not understand that the upper echelon of the party stands between you and success in those goals.......you say "these companies are not innocent"......but the simple reality is, those companies are only permitted to do what the government tells them to do.......they follow instructions and if the government's instructions fail, the people who did what they were told are the ones punished.......
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“those companies are only permitted to do what the government tells them to do”
No. We are not a planned economy. We are a market economy, and everything is changing.
There will be many discussions, debates, negotiations, and experiments.
Tesla is an example.(The official who was responsible for Tesla's plan to build a factory in Shanghai is now serving as the Premier of the State Council)
It is a real complex progress. You can imagine all kinds of difficulties.
(This is also why China's manufacturing industry is not easily replaced, as government officials from other countries are unlikely to be so deeply involved in complex coordination work.)
 
PostmodernProphet said:
odd, I seem to recall that Russia is STILL IN Ukraine.....how long has it been now?.....
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This would be the nightmare scenario for China, they keep some forces in Taiwan, but fail to win the whole country. That would mean they would have to resupply those forces across the water, and also it would give Taiwanese time to think and decide to fight. What China wants is a quick victory, like Putin was sure he would get in Ukraine. They will not risk an occupation of part of Taiwan, and would rather just not have a war.
 
Jack Grealish said:
In China, 1984 is a very famous book, and George Orwell is a famous writer. I don't know if Americans know this: we are very familiar with these theories that praise freedom and criticize authoritarianism, including some of Hayek's economic theories. We are very familiar with concepts such as "human rights", "democracy", and "freedom".

It may surprise some Americans that we the Chinese are actually a group of people who grew up watching American movies and Japanese anime. In fact, poor copyright protection has even allowed us to watch more American movies than Americans...
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Hi, Jack. You seem like a very successful and educated man. I do not think you can speak for ALL Chinese people as China's system has benefited you, greatly, while many others remain poor with a very low standard of living. Do you view 1984's authoritarian gov't as the "right approach"?... because it aligns with Confucian harmony?

In American, the Left and Right accuse each other of being authoritarian. Of course, the Left are the true authoritarians. :0)

The Left do NOT like us having the rights granted in the U.S. Constitution's 1st and 2nd amendments. Do you agree with the Left?

Yes, it has been said that the benefit of pirated movies in China, is the introduction to Western culture that they provide.
 
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Jack Grealish said:
“those companies are only permitted to do what the government tells them to do”
No. We are not a planned economy. We are a market economy, and everything is changing.
There will be many discussions, debates, negotiations, and experiments.
Tesla is an example.(The official who was responsible for Tesla's plan to build a factory in Shanghai is now serving as the Premier of the State Council)
It is a real complex progress. You can imagine all kinds of difficulties.
(This is also why China's manufacturing industry is not easily replaced, as government officials from other countries are unlikely to be so deeply involved in complex coordination work.)
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I mean no disrespect, Jack, but ...

"How much of Chinese business is state owned?
In fact, 71% of China's Fortune 500 companies are state-owned. State ownership is most common in China's strategic sectors, such as energy, telecommunications, and banking. Over 150,000 SOEs dominate China's economy, 98 of these SOEs are owned by the central government.Jan 13, 2023

15 Biggest Chinese State-Owned Companies - Yahoo Finance

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/15-b...1% of China's,owned by the central government.
 
Bigdog said:
I mean no disrespect, Jack, but ...

"How much of Chinese business is state owned?
In fact, 71% of China's Fortune 500 companies are state-owned. State ownership is most common in China's strategic sectors, such as energy, telecommunications, and banking. Over 150,000 SOEs dominate China's economy, 98 of these SOEs are owned by the central government.Jan 13, 2023

15 Biggest Chinese State-Owned Companies - Yahoo Finance

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/15-b...1% of China's,owned by the central government.
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80% of employment positions are provided by private companies. Yes, when you calculate the size of a company, you will find that those state-owned companies are at the top of the list. But that's because of the nature of their business, companies like power transmission networks have a natural monopoly position. They are irreplaceable and therefore belong to the state.

Moreover, state-owned enterprises are not completely separated from the market. If the efficiency of enterprises is too poor, or if some enterprises lose the necessity of existence due to technological development, their status as state-owned enterprises will also be cancelled. This is commonly referred to as "state-owned enterprise reform".

Regarding the management of state-owned enterprises, this is a very complex issue, and I must admit that it goes beyond my knowledge.
But I can tell you a general principle that if an industry requires a lot of competition, flexible development paths, and does not threaten the stability of the entire country, then the industry will allow private capital to enter. The state encourages private capital to enter many industries, including aerospace technology. We now have many emerging private rocket companies. The country is helping them, providing convenience for personnel（Some people working in the state-owned aerospace sector are allowed to leave and join these private companies）, and helping them build sites for commercial space launches. There are many examples like this.
China is not, as some people imagine, subjecting a large number of industries to state control and working according to plans due to ideology. In fact, many Western elites who have business dealings with China, those who appear on Bloomberg's economic forum, entrepreneurs, and people like Elon Musk, are well aware of China's economy.
Unfortunately, the true views of these entrepreneurs have been largely ignored, while publications like The Economist have written a large number of biased articles. This has resulted in a large amount of inaccurate views of China among ordinary Western people.
 
Jack Grealish said:
80% of employment positions are provided by private companies. Yes, when you calculate the size of a company, you will find that those state-owned companies are at the top of the list. But that's because of the nature of their business, companies like power transmission networks have a natural monopoly position. They are irreplaceable and therefore belong to the state.

Moreover, state-owned enterprises are not completely separated from the market. If the efficiency of enterprises is too poor, or if some enterprises lose the necessity of existence due to technological development, their status as state-owned enterprises will also be cancelled. This is commonly referred to as "state-owned enterprise reform".

Regarding the management of state-owned enterprises, this is a very complex issue, and I must admit that it goes beyond my knowledge.
But I can tell you a general principle that if an industry requires a lot of competition, flexible development paths, and does not threaten the stability of the entire country, then the industry will allow private capital to enter. The state encourages private capital to enter many industries, including aerospace technology. We now have many emerging private rocket companies. The country is helping them, providing convenience for personnel（Some people working in the state-owned aerospace sector are allowed to leave and join these private companies）, and helping them build sites for commercial space launches. There are many examples like this.
China is not, as some people imagine, subjecting a large number of industries to state control and working according to plans due to ideology. In fact, many Western elites who have business dealings with China, those who appear on Bloomberg's economic forum, entrepreneurs, and people like Elon Musk, are well aware of China's economy.
Unfortunately, the true views of these entrepreneurs have been largely ignored, while publications like The Economist have written a large number of biased articles. This has resulted in a large amount of inaccurate views of China among ordinary Western people.
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LOOK....I get that you are a chink but could you possibly put in just a little more effort?




TYVM
 
Jack Grealish said:
80% of employment positions are provided by private companies. Yes, when you calculate the size of a company, you will find that those state-owned companies are at the top of the list. But that's because of the nature of their business, companies like power transmission networks have a natural monopoly position. They are irreplaceable and therefore belong to the state.

Moreover, state-owned enterprises are not completely separated from the market. If the efficiency of enterprises is too poor, or if some enterprises lose the necessity of existence due to technological development, their status as state-owned enterprises will also be cancelled. This is commonly referred to as "state-owned enterprise reform".

Regarding the management of state-owned enterprises, this is a very complex issue, and I must admit that it goes beyond my knowledge.
But I can tell you a general principle that if an industry requires a lot of competition, flexible development paths, and does not threaten the stability of the entire country, then the industry will allow private capital to enter. The state encourages private capital to enter many industries, including aerospace technology. We now have many emerging private rocket companies. The country is helping them, providing convenience for personnel（Some people working in the state-owned aerospace sector are allowed to leave and join these private companies）, and helping them build sites for commercial space launches. There are many examples like this.
China is not, as some people imagine, subjecting a large number of industries to state control and working according to plans due to ideology. In fact, many Western elites who have business dealings with China, those who appear on Bloomberg's economic forum, entrepreneurs, and people like Elon Musk, are well aware of China's economy.
Unfortunately, the true views of these entrepreneurs have been largely ignored, while publications like The Economist have written a large number of biased articles. This has resulted in a large amount of inaccurate views of China among ordinary Western people.
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I know what you Han are doing.....Dont fuck with me.
 
Jack Grealish said:
“those companies are only permitted to do what the government tells them to do”
No. We are not a planned economy. We are a market economy, and everything is changing.
There will be many discussions, debates, negotiations, and experiments.
Tesla is an example.(The official who was responsible for Tesla's plan to build a factory in Shanghai is now serving as the Premier of the State Council)
It is a real complex progress. You can imagine all kinds of difficulties.
(This is also why China's manufacturing industry is not easily replaced, as government officials from other countries are unlikely to be so deeply involved in complex coordination work.)
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isn't it true that China retains a 51% interest in every business entity?.....
 
Hawkeye10 said:
LOOK....I get that you are a chink but could you possibly put in just a little more effort?




TYVM
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ROFL.......not liking the competition?......I find it amusing you've spent two years telling us how good the Chinese are and that we have no hope of competing with them and now you criticize someone for saying the same thing.......maybe Xi has decided to replace you as JPP spokesman.....
 
PostmodernProphet said:
ROFL.......not liking the competition?......I find it amusing you've spent two years telling us how good the Chinese are and that we have no hope of competing with them and now you criticize someone for saying the same thing.......maybe Xi has decided to replace you as JPP spokesman.....
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BLAH BLAH BLAH
 
Walt said:
This would be the nightmare scenario for China, they keep some forces in Taiwan, but fail to win the whole country. That would mean they would have to resupply those forces across the water, and also it would give Taiwanese time to think and decide to fight. What China wants is a quick victory, like Putin was sure he would get in Ukraine. They will not risk an occupation of part of Taiwan, and would rather just not have a war.
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Taiwan will not be physically invaded......Demmycrats will gift it to China whenever they think they can get away with it......
 
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