obama h/c bill dead?

Damocles said:
It is reality. What is "moronic" is the attempt to deliberately misinterpret what people say.

And that cycle is what I am pointing out here, it wasn't HCR, they voted for the Ds because the other party needed to be "punished"... People in your party realized the sentiment and a huge amount of them ran solely on being "notBush" while painting any R as "McBush" or its equivalent with their name attached...

Shoot they still sometimes try it.
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LOL, you are trying to make this about Bush. The 2008 election was a direct rebuke of conservatism. It was a realigning election. It's the beginning of America's ascendancy as a liberal nation, the beginning of a golden age, the end of the conservative dark ages. Now we just need to get rid of the evil in our society and it will be complete.
 
"Obama would mention it once in a while - but only when in friendly territory - while McCain ignored the topic all together. Was it even a topic in their debates?"

Um, in short - yeah.

I looked up the debate transcripts, and started to cut & paste the Obama comments on healthcare from each, but realized it would be way too obnoxious. It would have made for one of those huge, annoying posts, that would only make a point by its hugeness.

Suffice to say that yes, it was talked about in the debates. At length. The transcripts are online & easily googleable.....
 
Onceler said:
Oh, piss off. Your sanctimonious "now people realize there are consequences" is moronic.

How old are you? How many times does this have to happen before you get the gist? Party sweeps into power. Party overreaches. Voters get nervous. Voters want checks. Voters sweep other party into power.

Rinse, cycle, repeat.....
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wow...too much caffeine today onceler?
 
Hopefully, one day, there will be no communists, no fascists, no conservatives, no moderates, no libertarians, no Christians. Then we can have peace.
 
Atheistmark said:
LOL, you are trying to make this about Bush. The 2008 election was a direct rebuke of conservatism. It was a realigning election. It's the beginning of America's ascendancy as a liberal nation, the beginning of a golden age, the end of the conservative dark ages. Now we just need to get rid of the evil in our society and it will be complete.
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It was about Bush, who isn't even close to conservative. Something I have said for years and years...

If it wasn't about Bush all those ads calling McCain "McSame" and "McBush" were wasted money and all those people didn't win seats running as notBush.
 
Onceler said:
No, it isn't. The right spends most of its time these days rewriting history.

Obviously, a lot of the campaign was a repudiation of the Bush years, and there were certainly efforts to keep McCain tied to Bush.

But if you paid attention to the actual campaigns & the candidates, healthcare was HUGE. Hillary & Obama spent a ridiculous amount of time on it in the primaries, parsing every aspect of what were pretty similar plans they had. Obama carried that over into the general in a big way; he didn't just talk about universal healthcare. It was a promise.

To deny THAT is hack...
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well, they say that those who win get to write history....I guess that means we go with Brown's version......
 
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