The Car of the Year.............Is Electric. MAGA soils diapers.

[Dutch Uncle]

So, do you think each state has a right to determine what their, say, abortion laws will be? Can a state ban abortions for example?

^^^
Typical Trumper; loves to conflate personal rights with state pollution and economic regulations.

Thanks for tacitly admitting you are an anti-State's Rights authoritarian Trumper, Terry. You've denied being a Trumper before, but you walk like a Trumper and talk like a Trumper so what are people supposed to believe?

Abortion is a right up to a point. The point being where the fetus becomes a human being capable of living on its own. I'm fine with 24 week limit but am willing to leave it up to medical experts, not religious wackos or authoritarian fuckwits seeking to subjugate Americans be they women, of non-European descent or disagreeing with authoritarian fuckwits.

 

[Nordberg]

I have had a Volt for a long time. My wife smacked it up again and the collision shop gave us a Chevy ICE as a loaner. I had forgotten how bad ICEs are to drive, I cannot wait to get the Volt back. The noise, the acceleration, the feel. ICEs suck,

 

[Into the Night]

ELON MUSK REVEALS DETAILS ABOUT TESLA’S NEXT-GENERATION MODEL ON INVESTORS CALL: ‘UNHEARD OF IN THE AUTO INDUSTRY’

https://apple.news/ArYRRNDDASeWKehSbmCIL_A

Axios reports that the $25,000 vehicle will be a small, affordable EV.
“The high-volume, low-cost smaller vehicle is actually much more conventional,” Musk told investors of the new car’s design. “We’re doing everything possible to simplify the next-generation vehicle in order to achieve a units-per-minute that is unheard of in the auto industry.
Tesla’s new, smaller vehicle will be “cool, but [utilitarian],” Musk said. “It’s not meant to fill you with awe and magic, it’s to get you from A to B. Still beautiful, but utilitarian.”
Because of its “more conventional” looks and features, the new vehicle will be easier and faster to build.
A $25,000 EV would be a game-changer for the auto industry and the fight against the climate crisis. Though demand for EVs has been booming in recent years, EVs remain pricey. As of July 2023, the average price paid for an EV in the United States was $53,469, over $5,000 more expensive than gas-powered cars. With a more affordable option on the market, more drivers could make the switch to electric, reducing the air pollution caused by gas-powered vehicles.

Whoopie. A car with limited range that is costly despite the heavy subsidies.
What 'air pollution'? What is this 'pollution' you keep talking about?

 

[Into the Night]

Today, 08:41 AM
Blazing Psycho
Mind Purging Bitching Failure
This message is hidden because Blazing Psycho is on your ignore list.

Censorship doesn't work, dude.

 

[Into the Night]

He's a bigger danger to himself than others....unless his militia friends convince him to drive a car bomb.

Stop making shit up, Sock.

 

[Into the Night]

Poor, lonely Fredo. I feel sorry for you, son. I really do.

Stop making shit up, Sock.

 

[Into the Night]

My guess is that they don't. That's why they spend every day bitching, whining and blaming others for their problems. They're mentally ill losers.

I expect most are not employed...and not living comfortably in retirement either as shown by their angst.

Stop making shit up and acting like a psychoquack, Sock.

 

[Into the Night]

I suspect Blazed Psycho is a dupe account. He's got the mental immaturity of TDaK, LyinBitch or Libhater.

You are describing yourself, Sock.

 

[Into the Night]

Always possible, but only a complete psycho could alter their personality so much without slipping up. Agreed about the comparison of mental maturity, not to mention mental acuity and education, but their personalities appear to vary enough to indicate they are not the same person.

Consider Sybil; he imitates three different personalities, but follow his posts long enough and it's easy to see they are one and the same. IMO, just because all four are angry morons isn't enough to conclude they are the same personality.

You are describing yourself again, Sock.

 

[Into the Night]

You're all idiots, Fredo. Poor demented losers looking for meaning in your lives as you see the end approaching. Something normal people our age have already found.

Insulting people gets you nowhere, Sock.

 

[Into the Night]

What I'm wondering is...

You have a bunch of Leftist / Democrat run states that are saying all new car sales by 2030 to 2035 have to be zero emissions (eg., EV's or the like). What are they going to do if the car manufacturers refuse to build EV's because they lose money on every sale?

Such places will not have cars or trucks, at least until the revolt hits home.

 

[Into the Night]

And what is going to happen to the electric grid? Imagine all those new EV owners plugging into the grid at one time.

'All those new EV owners' is less than 1% of the cars on the road. There's quite a few reasons why:

* long recharge time
* limited range
* high costs with maintenance
* high costs to purchase
* poor handling
* significantly reduced range due to inclement weather
* damage to the environment due to mining and processing methods of obtaining lithium metal in such large quantities.
* poor resale value

About the only thing an EV has going for it is acceleration, but that drains the battery quite fast, and it isn't a drag race out there.

 

[Into the Night]

Because they DON'T lose money on every sale.

They basically do.

That's just another bullshit right wing talking point you've swallowed. [/B]

Nope. It happens to be true. That's why so many automotive manufacturers are getting out EVs.

Market capitalization of Tesla (TSLA)
Market cap: $744.53 Billion
As of November 2023 Tesla has a market cap of $744.53 Billion. This makes Tesla the world's 9th most valuable company by market cap according to our data.

Stock price isn't profit or loss, dummy.

 

[Into the Night]

https://www.solarreviews.com/blog/how-much-does-it-cost-to-charge-a-tesla-is-it-the-same-as-the-cost-to-charge-other-electric-vehicles#:~:text=The%20Tesla%20Model%20X%20costs,about%204.3%20cents%20per%20mile.

The Tesla Model X costs about $17.55 to fully charge, which comes out to about 5 cents per mile.
It will cost around $10.49 to charge a Tesla Model 3. Depending on the variant, this is between 4 and 5 cents per mile.
If you own a Tesla Model S, you can expect to pay about 4.3 cents per mile. A full charge will cost $17.55 total.
The cost to charge a Tesla Model Y is about $13.16, or 4 cents per mile.
The cost to operate an electric vehicle is substantially lower than the cost of a conventional gas-powered car.

Special pleading fallacy (again). You are ignoring costs of purchasing, maintenance, insurance, and of course the heavy subsidies.

 

[Into the Night]

You should consider reading more than just the headline, Terry.

"In its latest earnings report, Ford conceded that its Model e division - which focuses on electric vehicles and future mobility - posted losses of $1.3 billion between July and September 2023. The automaker says this significant loss can be attributed to "continued investment in next-generation EVs and challenging market dynamics."

Interestingly, sales of electric vehicles increased in the third quarter, with 20,962 cars sold during this period. Mustang Mach-E sales increased by 42.5%, totaling 14,824 units. Unfortunately, sales of the F-150 Lightning have plummeted. Ford recently reduced production of its electric truck but cited other issues as the reason behind this decision.

"Ford is able to balance production of gas, hybrid, and electric vehicles to match the speed of EV adoption in a way that others can't. That's obviously good for customers, who get the products they want - and good for us, too, because disciplined capital allocation and not chasing scale at all costs maximizes profitability and cash flow," said CFO John Lawler."

Ford is cutting Mustang-E production because it's LOSING MONEY ON IT!

 

[Into the Night]

You should consider reading more than just the headline, Terry.

"In its latest earnings report, Ford conceded that its Model e division - which focuses on electric vehicles and future mobility - posted losses of $1.3 billion between July and September 2023. The automaker says this significant loss can be attributed to "continued investment in next-generation EVs and challenging market dynamics."

Interestingly, sales of electric vehicles increased in the third quarter, with 20,962 cars sold during this period. Mustang Mach-E sales increased by 42.5%, totaling 14,824 units. Unfortunately, sales of the F-150 Lightning have plummeted. Ford recently reduced production of its electric truck but cited other issues as the reason behind this decision.

"Ford is able to balance production of gas, hybrid, and electric vehicles to match the speed of EV adoption in a way that others can't. That's obviously good for customers, who get the products they want - and good for us, too, because disciplined capital allocation and not chasing scale at all costs maximizes profitability and cash flow," said CFO John Lawler."

Ford is cutting production of Mustang-E cars because it is LOSING MONEY ON THEM.

 

[Into the Night]

Those points aside, there is a concern about increasing the electrical output of the US without just building more coal or oil-fired generators.

If that can be handled, then a balance could be made in reducing electrical costs in oil refineries.

You're a moron, Sock.
Oil refineries heat the oil in the tower using oil. They are essentially self powered.

 

[Into the Night]

The fact you overlook the R&D cost in next-generation vehicles is both interesting and expected, Terry.

EVs are not 'next generation', Sock. They are old technology.

 

[Into the Night]

Ignore Terry who will tell you advancements in technology never happen.

Improvements in battery technology (better storage, reduced/no rare earth materials) and improvements in Solar are the future.

Each new home will have a battery wall in the garage or elsewhere, when built, along with solar panels and will be able to capture a good percent/All of their daily energy needs and store until needed or sell it back to the grid, especially in periods of surge need.


Again, Terry will reply to this as if we are not seeing several major new improvements and breakthru's each and very year, and saying none of this work, because he is stupid when it comes to all things tech. Meanwhile tech across all cataegories advances not GAF what Terry thinks...

EVs are not 'advancement of techonology'. They are outdated technology.

 

[Into the Night]

yes but intelligent people, (not you) understand that context matters.

When Ford was building the first ever mass production line they lost major money for years, as the cost of building out the lines is front loaded and amortized over years and then earned back thru vehicle sales OVER DECADES.

this is the absolute NORM when any mass manufacturing tool up is being undertaken. Investors typically front all the costs and losses for the return built in to the future.

Only Terry screams at Henry Ford, 'But you are losing money up front no matter how you want to slice it', as if that is a reason for Ford and others to never build a mass production line.


Terry cannot you not see above that AGAIN you are making the exact same mistake i point you ALWAYS make with technology and that is you ALWAYS freeze it at a point in time, and then assume no changes or value in the future and by your metrics almost NO NEW TECH would ever get built?

Today is not yesterday, Kewpie. Ford is cutting production of ALL of it's EV line because it is LOSING MONEY ON THEM.