Nothing Sacred for Hamas: Terror Command Center Found in Tunnel Beneath Cemetery

Hamas strategy:

Launch an attack on Israel causing casualties and property destruction. When Israel retaliates, gather the Western media to help them in calling for an immediate ceasefire before Israel can do much, if anything, about it. Wait a few weeks and repeat.
 
I certainly believe Hamas is a terrorist government which has caused a lot of Gaza's problems. But lying about how bad Gaza is will help no one.



In the real world, Gaza is poor. We can debate why it is poor, but no sane person would say Gaza is not poor.



Gaza is not a country, and has no territorial waters. Israel has territorial waters, which it bans Gazans from accessing.



They had to shutdown the desalination plants, because of no fuel. Desalination plants need fuel, which cannot be imported at this time.



Gaza does not have a major problem with cold weather. Investing a huge amount into district heating would be a mistake in Gaza.

in Gaza the rainy season usually begins in late November or early December and temperatures can get as low as 8C.

On 13 December 2013, 40–70 cm (16–28 in) of snow fell in
Jerusalem and 1 m (3 ft 3 in) in the Kefar Etzion area. Warmer parts of Israel received heavy rains, causing floods. Even though it was the Sabbath, the railway into Jerusalem ran for people stranded by blocked roads.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snow_in_Israel#2013_snowfall
 
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in Gaza the rainy season usually begins in late November or early December and temperatures can get as low as 8C.

On 13 December 2013, 40–70 cm (16–28 in) of snow fell in
Jerusalem and 1 m (3 ft 3 in) in the Kefar Etzion area. Warmer parts of Israel received heavy rains, causing floods. Even though it was the Sabbath, the railway into Jerusalem ran for people stranded by blocked roads.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snow_in_Israel#2013_snowfall

District heating is a huge infrastructure investment. In many cases, it saves money over time, but even in places like Copenhagen, that time horizon is a decade.

Gaza does not have a huge amount of money to invest in infrastructure, and a lot of infrastructure that they desperate need. During the Winter, the low in Gaza averages about 50 degrees(going up to 65 degrees during the day), so there is not a huge need for heating.

Yes, there was some snow, briefly on the ground, 50 miles away, 11 years ago. The previous time it happened was 73 years ago. AND IT HAS NOT SNOWED IN GAZA IN MODERN HISTORY!!!

So you are asking the Gazans to spend a huge amount of money they do not have on district heating, rather than on infrastructure that would save their children's lives. You want them to do this, because twice a century, it got somewhat cold for a day, 100 miles away. Let me remind you that today, a fifth have diseases from lack of sewers and piped clean water that may lead to death.

And we are not even touching the point that a heating station for district heating is an easy air target that could shutdown the whole system, and be extremely expensive to replace.
 
And, CNN couldn't disprove it either. TYT took lack of evidence as proof of Israel lying and doing evil.

Pay attention, stupid.

IT WAS NOT CNN'S JOB TO PROVE THE CLAIMS OF THE IDF. THEY DID THE ACTIONS, AND BROUGHT CNN TO PROVE THAT THEIR ACTIONS WERE JUSTIFIED.

THEY COULD NOT. RIGHT THERE IN THE IMMEDIATE PHYSICAL AFTERMATH. THEY COULDN'T PROVE THEIR CLAIM. PERIOD.


GTFU and deal with it.
 
Hamas strategy:

Launch an attack on Israel causing casualties and property destruction. When Israel retaliates, gather the Western media to help them in calling for an immediate ceasefire before Israel can do much, if anything, about it. Wait a few weeks and repeat.

Pretty dumb tactic given the superior fire power of the opponent, who has them hemmed in and controls to a large extent their resources.

No one said Hamas were geniuses. They gave the zionist exactly the excuse they needed.

And of course, dumb toots like you ignore the facts of Yahoo's epic fail in defending his people. Israeli's, however, are not so forgiving like the military/industrial USA. In fact, if not for this debacle the Israeli's were making moves to have Yahoo and his corrupt party tossed out on their asses.

But hey, you just keep your head firmly up the ass of your right wing wonk leadership.
 
It's also not true, he saw the map in private. Abbas says he bitterly regrets not signing up for the deal, it's too late now matey. Look how your bosom buddies are behaving towards Ham-arse, are you going to defend the bitches?

Hamas has to be totally eradicated this time, what the fuck can you do when you find the UN is aiding and abetting them?


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68127544

'Squad' Democrats vote against condemning 'barbaric' Hamas attack on Israel


https://www.foxnews.com/politics/sq...ainst-condemning-barbaric-hamas-attack-israel

Yeah, hindsight is a wonderful thing....doesn't change the fact that HE DID NOT SEE THAT MAP WHEN THE DEAL WAS OFFERED.

And WTF is a BS ex-pat National Front Frump living in an authoritarian country getting behind zionist attempts and pseudo-genocide of Palestinians?

Fox News?!?!? GMAFB! Those clowns are so attached to Murdoch's posterior it's laughable. They have ZERO credibility, as they publicly turn on their own for even thinking out loud that the Orange Oaf is wrong, much less agree with anything Biden proposes.

Once again, Tommy the Dip fails to "own the lib". :laugh:
 
District heating is a huge infrastructure investment. In many cases, it saves money over time, but even in places like Copenhagen, that time horizon is a decade.

Gaza does not have a huge amount of money to invest in infrastructure, and a lot of infrastructure that they desperate need. During the Winter, the low in Gaza averages about 50 degrees(going up to 65 degrees during the day), so there is not a huge need for heating.

Yes, there was some snow, briefly on the ground, 50 miles away, 11 years ago. The previous time it happened was 73 years ago. AND IT HAS NOT SNOWED IN GAZA IN MODERN HISTORY!!!

So you are asking the Gazans to spend a huge amount of money they do not have on district heating, rather than on infrastructure that would save their children's lives. You want them to do this, because twice a century, it got somewhat cold for a day, 100 miles away. Let me remind you that today, a fifth have diseases from lack of sewers and piped clean water that may lead to death.

And we are not even touching the point that a heating station for district heating is an easy air target that could shutdown the whole system, and be extremely expensive to replace.

They receive billions of dollars from Arab states, where does that money go? If they signed a peace agreement
then they could have the rights to offshore oil and gas as well as a thriving tourist industry.

One of the many questions arising in the wake of the October 7 Hamas terror attack on southern Israel is the sources of the organization’s funding for its military buildup and control over the Gaza Strip. Qatar is the answer that immediately comes to mind, but the data point to a more complex and disturbing answer.

The Gaza Strip is one of the poorest places in the world, but the Hamas regime in Gaza is quite rich. Since taking power in 2007, it has developed five funding channels: four of them operate under arrangements to which Israel is a party or are subject to its supervision.

Jerusalem Post
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Opinion Gaza is poor, Hamas is rich: How does it make money, does Israel help? - opinion

By ELIE PODEH, YITZHAK GAL Published: OCTOBER 23,
2023 11:23
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PALESTINIAN POLICE stand next to a truck at the Kerem Shalom crossing.(photo credit: IBRAHEEM ABU MUSTAFA/REUTERS)Since taking power in Gaza in 2007, Hamas has developed five funding channels: Four of them operate under arrangements Israel allows or supports.
One of the many questions arising in the wake of the October 7 Hamas terror attack on southern Israel is the sources of the organization’s funding for its military buildup and control over the Gaza Strip. Qatar is the answer that immediately comes to mind, but the data point to a more complex and disturbing answer.
The Gaza Strip is one of the poorest places in the world, but the Hamas regime in Gaza is quite rich. Since taking power in 2007, it has developed five funding channels: four of them operate under arrangements to which Israel is a party or are subject to its supervision.

Combined, these channels generate $2 billion to $2.5 billion a year for Hamas. This is a huge sum compared to the size of Gaza’s economy. By comparison, the Palestinian Authority (PA) budget, net of the sums transferred to the Gaza Strip, is slightly more than $3 billion a year. Some of the funds from these five channels are used to finance civilian public services, and the rest to fill the Hamas arsenals.

How does Hamas make money?

The PA budget is the most important and largest despite the fact that Hamas violently expelled the PA from Gaza in 2007. Its annual scope is estimated at more than $1 billion. These sums are transferred through the banking system supervised by Israel. They pay the salaries and pension contributions for 40,000 Gaza government employees as well as covering some civilian expenses. The PA also pays for Gaza’s water, power and medical services, transferring millions of dollars a year to Israel, which provides the services.

Qatar is the second funding source. The Qatari aid was previously delivered through Israel in suitcases bulging with cash. Today it is transferred through banks under UN supervision and with Israel’s approval. Its total scope is estimated at $400 million annually. This money finances welfare payments, part of the salaries of Hamas civilian and military wing employees, and civilian expenses, such as fuel for the Gaza power plant. This money, as far as is known, is hardly used for military procurement.

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WOMAN shows a $100 bill she received as aid from Qatar, during a lockdown amid the coronavirus outbreak in Gaza City in September. (credit: MOHAMMED SALEM/ REUTERS)

Customs duties and taxes collected by Hamas provide additional revenue sources. These include high customs duties and taxes on imports from Egypt brought in through the Rafah crossing, as well as “taxes” imposed by Hamas on smugglers of goods. In the past, these smugglers operated through tunnels on the Gaza Strip’s border with Egypt.

AFTER THE Egyptians destroyed the tunnels, smuggling continues through various ways, though at a smaller scale. A significant part of goods imported via the Rafah crossing are items with a high “tax component” (fuels, cigarettes, etc.). All these taxes go to Hamas, as it has absolute control over this route.

Hamas also imposes import taxes, fees, and various payments on imports from Israel that enter Gaza through the Kerem Shalom crossing. Combined, these two channels of “tax revenue” constitute the second largest component of the Hamas regime funding – about half a billion dollars a year.

All these “taxes and customs” are illegal under international customs regulation as well as the Paris Protocol (signed between Israel and the Palestinian Liberation Organization, aka the PLO, on 29 April 1994, and incorporated with minor amendments into the Oslo II Accord of September 1995) and other agreements between Israel and the PLO or the PA. They are levied at the expense of taxes and fees that the PA is supposed to collect to cover its own expenses for financing civilian services in Gaza. This unsupervised source pays the salaries of the Hamas military apparatuses, as well as paying for military equipment.

The fifth source is Iranian aid, donations from Hamas supporters, and other sources abroad. It is difficult to estimate the extent of these funds, which are transferred in convoluted and roundabout ways. Some of the aid is in the form of military equipment smuggled into Gaza, and some is cash transferred through money changers. These various sources probably amount to several hundred million dollars a year, almost all allocated for military equipment and other military uses.

These estimates indicate that more than two-thirds of the Hamas “budget” is channeled through the PA, or at its expense, and its transfer is made possible with Israel’s approval or consent. Along with the Qatari aid, this means that almost all Hamas funding is provided with Israel’s approval or consent. The only revenue source in which Israel is not involved are the “taxes” which Hamas imposes on imports through the Rafah crossing, as well as smuggling from Egypt to Gaza, the extent of which is unknown.

Its effective diversification of funding has provided Hamas with the resources to consolidate its control over Gaza and strengthen its military buildup, severely eroding the population’s standard of living.

https://m.jpost.com/opinion/article-769721


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Rescue workers had to evacuate parts of the Gaza Strip, flooded by four days of heavy rain and snow. The ongoing downpour is part of a storm that has covered Jerusalem and some of the West Bank with a thick blanket of snow.
 
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Yeah, hindsight is a wonderful thing....doesn't change the fact that HE DID NOT SEE THAT MAP WHEN THE DEAL WAS OFFERED.

And WTF is a BS ex-pat National Front Frump living in an authoritarian country getting behind zionist attempts and pseudo-genocide of Palestinians?

Fox News?!?!? GMAFB! Those clowns are so attached to Murdoch's posterior it's laughable. They have ZERO credibility, as they publicly turn on their own for even thinking out loud that the Orange Oaf is wrong, much less agree with anything Biden proposes.

Once again, Tommy the Dip fails to "own the lib". :laugh:

You truly are an obnoxious lying cunt, I've told you several times the truth but you still persist in your fabrications. I think it's my turn to ignore you.
 
Yeah, hindsight is a wonderful thing....doesn't change the fact that HE DID NOT SEE THAT MAP WHEN THE DEAL WAS OFFERED.

And WTF is a BS ex-pat National Front Frump living in an authoritarian country getting behind zionist attempts and pseudo-genocide of Palestinians?

Fox News?!?!? GMAFB! Those clowns are so attached to Murdoch's posterior it's laughable. They have ZERO credibility, as they publicly turn on their own for even thinking out loud that the Orange Oaf is wrong, much less agree with anything Biden proposes.

Once again, Tommy the Dip fails to "own the lib". :laugh:

You truly are an obnoxious lying cunt, I've told you several times the truth but you still persist in your fabrications. I think it's my turn to ignore you I have a limited tolerance to imbeciles like you.
 
Oh and it does snow in Gaza!!
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There is no actual snow in those pictures of Gaza. That was from 11 years ago, when the West Bank got snow, and Gaza got heavy rain.

Paying hundreds of billions for district heating just does not make sense in a place that nearly gets snow every 11 years. It does not make sense someplace that does not have potable water, or sewerage. You are asking the Gazans to spend all the money they would have spent rebuilding on keeping the the temperature in their homes(which do not exist) toasty rather than letting them get slightly chilly on some Winter nights.

They receive billions of dollars from Arab states, where does that money go? If they signed a peace agreement
then they could have the rights to offshore oil and gas as well as a thriving tourist industry.

The money is never going to be spent on such a stupid purpose. Even Hamas is not that stupid. Much of the money is stolen. And the rest of the money is not that much considering the number of Gazans. At the moment, money really does not matter, because there is little supplies getting in to be bought by that money.

Offshore rights are not on the table. Israel is not going to offer Gaza anything in offshore rights. It would take decades for tourists to trust Gaza, and given the dense population, there is no room for tourists.

Gaza has human capital which is relatively well educated. That is relative to their expected salaries. With peace, and easy travel, they could become quite prosperous. Neither looks likely any time soon.

The reality is there will be 2.4 million angry, poor people concentrated in a small area, unmovable, and ungovernable, for decades to come. They are angrier now, but they were very angry before. There is no obvious solution.

District heating is not a solution. It is sad that you think it is.
 
There is no actual snow in those pictures of Gaza. That was from 11 years ago, when the West Bank got snow, and Gaza got heavy rain.

Paying hundreds of billions for district heating just does not make sense in a place that nearly gets snow every 11 years. It does not make sense someplace that does not have potable water, or sewerage. You are asking the Gazans to spend all the money they would have spent rebuilding on keeping the the temperature in their homes(which do not exist) toasty rather than letting them get slightly chilly on some Winter nights.



The money is never going to be spent on such a stupid purpose. Even Hamas is not that stupid. Much of the money is stolen. And the rest of the money is not that much considering the number of Gazans. At the moment, money really does not matter, because there is little supplies getting in to be bought by that money.

Offshore rights are not on the table. Israel is not going to offer Gaza anything in offshore rights. It would take decades for tourists to trust Gaza, and given the dense population, there is no room for tourists.

Gaza has human capital which is relatively well educated. That is relative to their expected salaries. With peace, and easy travel, they could become quite prosperous. Neither looks likely any time soon.

The reality is there will be 2.4 million angry, poor people concentrated in a small area, unmovable, and ungovernable, for decades to come. They are angrier now, but they were very angry before. There is no obvious solution.

District heating is not a solution. It is sad that you think it is.

The Israelis are angry too after Hamas slaughtered their citizens including beheading infants and burning them alive.

Unmovable? Nonsense, Walter. Do you really believe that Israel will allow these barbarians to live side by side with them? Really, Walter?

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Poor Walter.
 
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The Israelis are angry too after Hamas slaughtered their citizens including beheading infants and burning them alive.

There is no room for compromise, for good reason.

Unmovable? Nonsense, Walter.

Great, they can move in with you. We can ship 2.4 million people to your house, and you will take care of them.

In the real world, they are unmovable. No one wants them. Moving them would be a huge crime against humanity. It just is not going to happen. There are just too many of them.

Do you really believe that Israel will allow these barbarians to live side by side with them? Really, Walter?

The Israelis certainly do not want to live right next to Gaza, but have been doing it for 75 years. That should tell you something. We all admit this is not the situation Israel wants to be in, and it is the situation that Israel has been in for 75 years, therefore it is not an easy situation to get out of.

Netanyahu again rejects Palestinian sovereignty

Netanyahu does not matter anymore. The more important fact is that the Israeli People reject Palestinian sovereignty after Hamas' attacks. It would take decades to rebuild trust, and Hamas is not even starting on that path.

This leaves 2.4 million people in Gaza who are not governed by any reasonable government, and there is not really any obvious reasonable government that could govern them. The Palestinian Authority is the closest to reasonable, and they are a joke. None of the Arab sovereign states will take them on. Israel cannot do it.
 
There is no room for compromise, for good reason.



Great, they can move in with you. We can ship 2.4 million people to your house, and you will take care of them.

In the real world, they are unmovable. No one wants them. Moving them would be a huge crime against humanity. It just is not going to happen. There are just too many of them.



The Israelis certainly do not want to live right next to Gaza, but have been doing it for 75 years. That should tell you something. We all admit this is not the situation Israel wants to be in, and it is the situation that Israel has been in for 75 years, therefore it is not an easy situation to get out of.



Netanyahu does not matter anymore. The more important fact is that the Israeli People reject Palestinian sovereignty after Hamas' attacks. It would take decades to rebuild trust, and Hamas is not even starting on that path.

This leaves 2.4 million people in Gaza who are not governed by any reasonable government, and there is not really any obvious reasonable government that could govern them. The Palestinian Authority is the closest to reasonable, and they are a joke. None of the Arab sovereign states will take them on. Israel cannot do it.

There are fewer of them every day, Walter.

I don't want them here, Walter but two of your far left Democratic Socialist loons in the House, Tlaib and Bush, just voted again a bill banning Hamas from entering the US.

Being a good little far left Democratic Socialist loon, I'm sure you support these two traitors, Walter.

Netanyah is the prime minister and he says "no two state solution," Walter.

Poor Walter.
 
There are fewer of them every day, Walter.

I don't want them here, Walter but two of your far left Democratic Socialist loons in the House, Tlaib and Bush, just voted again a bill banning Hamas from entering the US.

Being a good little far left Democratic Socialist loon, I'm sure you support these two traitors, Walter.

They support allowing Hamas terrorists entering the United States. They are traitors. Evil America hating traitors. They should be deported, never to be allowed back on our soil again. Ever.
 
They support allowing Hamas terrorists entering the United States. They are traitors. Evil America hating traitors. They should be deported, never to be allowed back on our soil again. Ever.

Indeed.

Two (2) US Congress persons voting against a bill banning a terrorist group, Hamas, from entering the US.

Stunning.
 
Indeed.

Two (2) US Congress persons voting against a bill banning a terrorist group, Hamas, from entering the US.

Stunning.

..and those who voted for them should be deported. Just for being that stupid!
 
There are fewer of them every day, Walter.

Gaza has an incredibly high birth rate, so the tens of thousands killed will quickly be replaced. Israel is not going to commit actual genocide.

I don't want them here

That is the way everyone feels, and they do not want to move. That makes them unmovable.

Netanyah is the prime minister and he says "no two state solution," Walter.

Netanyahu is polling at 15%. The only reason he has not been removed already is that there is an active war. An active war that he has little to do with. He is no longer an important entity.

The People of Israel have completely given up on a two state solution. That is the important fact. Beyond that, there is no other state to be the second state.
 
Gaza has an incredibly high birth rate, so the tens of thousands killed will quickly be replaced. Israel is not going to commit actual genocide.



That is the way everyone feels, and they do not want to move. That makes them unmovable.



Netanyahu is polling at 15%. The only reason he has not been removed already is that there is an active war. An active war that he has little to do with. He is no longer an important entity.

The People of Israel have completely given up on a two state solution. That is the important fact. Beyond that, there is no other state to be the second state.

Yes, Walter, just as I said, no two state solution.

Nonsense, Walter, not wanting to move does not mean they can not be moved.

Removing electricity, water, fuel and food will convince anyone to move.

You haven’t addressed the fact that Israel will never allow another Oct 7 slaughter of their people.

Nor should they.

Israeli PM Netanyahu, opposition leader Gantz to form emergency unity gov't. The two leaders agree to form a war cabinet comprising Netanyahu, Gantz and Defence Minister Yoav Gallant. Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and centrist opposition leader Benny Gantz have agreed to form an emergency unity government.

Poor Walter.
 
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