Judge orders Trump to pay nearly $355 million in civil fraud trial

Doc Dutch said:
He already is doing that and he's bleeding both his Sheeple and the RNC dry....which is a good thing. Soon Pedo Don will personally be broke along with the Party of Trump and his supporters.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/06/politics/trump-rnc-mcdaniel/index.html


https://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-legal-fees-pac-donor-money-personal-cases-2024-2
Donald Trump spent over $52 million in PAC donor money on legal fees last year. Here's where it all went.
  • Donald Trump spent $52,431,858 on legal fees in 2023 using PAC funds, a Business Insider analysis found.
  • The vast majority — nearly $40 million — went to law firms working on his personal legal problems.
  • Trump spent this small fortune in donor money on his legal fees despite being a billionaire.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...24-campaign-donations-legal-fees/70503786007/
Donald Trump's supporters have given him staggering donations. It's paying his legal fees.

Okay, Sheeple! Break open your piggy banks! Papa Don needs your money!!!!
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Trump is in full desperation mode right now.

He could care less if The House and Senate are lost, as long as he becomes POTUS again as he feels he will be able to get rid of, or stop the criminal trials, and being POTUS he will be able to fix his financial issues by giving Russia and Saudi and maybe China, what they want, in terms of pulling the US back from NATO and any other foreign commitments.

And i think he would be right, if he won the POTUS again. The Federal charges would all be dismissed and the State ones would stayed for 4 more years likely killing them, or he dies before they can fully prosecuted after he gets out of office.

Money wise, even if these financial penalties break him, Putin and Russia would gladly find way to get him billions, to have all sanctions lifted, the US pulled out of NATO, and Ukraine support ended.

I once thought, perhaps if these legal issues got too bad for him, he might consider stepping down from the race to allow another Republi'can' to win, so that a Pardon could not be contested. It would seem the better path than trying to pardon himself or bury his own charges, all of which might end up reversed. But now Trump is All-In. A pardon is not enough, as he would be pardoned and broke and still facing State charges if he does not run and win. So he must run and must win as his only salvation.

Which means even if Republi'can' support turns to Haley, as Trump is forced to sit in NYS court every day and is off the campaign trail, Trump cannot hand her the torch. If she was to win the nomination, he will have to try and break the party further, or even go 3rd party as his survival is not tied to a Haley win, even as POTUS. He still goes down and lives broke.
 
Phantasmal said:
He will still have to pay, he can’t get out of paying this by declaring bankruptcy.
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If he doesn't pay, the state of NY and E Jean Carroll can go to court and get a lien placed on his assets.
Since Trump doesn't control his assets, it becomes much easier to collect from the Trump Organization.
 
QP! said:
Trump is in full desperation mode right now.

He could care less if The House and Senate are lost, as long as he becomes POTUS again as he feels he will be able to get rid of, or stop the criminal trials, and being POTUS he will be able to fix his financial issues by giving Russia and Saudi and maybe China, what they want, in terms of pulling the US back from NATO and any other foreign commitments.

And i think he would be right, if he won the POTUS again. The Federal charges would all be dismissed and the State ones would stayed for 4 more years likely killing them, or he dies before they can fully prosecuted after he gets out of office.

Money wise, even if these financial penalties break him, Putin and Russia would gladly find way to get him billions, to have all sanctions lifted, the US pulled out of NATO, and Ukraine support ended.

I once thought, perhaps if these legal issues got too bad for him, he might consider stepping down from the race to allow another Republi'can' to win, so that a Pardon could not be contested. It would seem the better path than trying to pardon himself or bury his own charges, all of which might end up reversed. But now Trump is All-In. A pardon is not enough, as he would be pardoned and broke and still facing State charges if he does not run and win. So he must run and must win as his only salvation.

Which means even if Republi'can' support turns to Haley, as Trump is forced to sit in NYS court every day and is off the campaign trail, Trump cannot hand her the torch. If she was to win the nomination, he will have to try and break the party further, or even go 3rd party as his survival is not tied to a Haley win, even as POTUS. He still goes down and lives broke.
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The more desperate Pedo Don becomes, the better for everyone else.

Yes, he'd try to rip off We, the People, abuse his office and even break the law all for personal gain. Whether our laws, courts and legislative government allow him to do so remains to be seen.
 
Nordberg said:
Trump committed a crime of degree and excess. It is true most people fudge in their taxes and most corporations do routinely. But Trump was tripling the size of buildings when used as collateral and reversing floor space when paying taxes. If you made claims of that level, you would get nailed too. Trump has been doing it for decades. Banks that relied on Trump's info were at risk. They were lending him money based on lies.
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I disagree. It would be extremely difficult, for one reason, because most taxpayers' income derives from wages, which are reported to the IRS by their employers. Most wage-earners don't itemize any more either as the deductions and exemptions are more generous. I don't know about corporations fudging on their taxes.
 
Phantasmal said:
Their new grift, getting Lara nominated as RNC chair. Do you think down ballot Republicans are happy with Lara’s declaration that “every single penny” will go to Trump?
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I am very happy with that and hope Lara Trump gets the reigns of the RNC as quick as possible and starts pushing 100% of the money over to daddy Trump, so he can pay his legal fees and judgements with it, until it is dry.


As i say above, Trumps desperate position now means he cannot put an iota of concern on getting other Magats elected. As Lara said 100% will go to getting Trump elected. No one else matters. That is true fact as to how they see it inside the Trump family, as Lara Trump knows, Eric Trump and Don Jr, will have only a small runway, before being broke, the day Daddy Trump's empire crumbles.

Ivanka and Jarad will be the only Trump kids on that side who survive this, with any assets of future employment prospects. Eric and DonJr will be doing Cameo's with Rudy Giuliani getting paid $25 a pop to sing songs to people who pay them so they can ridicule them, and they will still do it, since they are desperate.




Perhaps, and again i mean this sincerely and not mockingly as it may seem, Mark Burnett will create a Reality Tv show again, and put Trump, Eric and DonJr, and Rudy in one big House, and let people watch them complain about how 'unfairly they were all treated'. I know the Magats would tune in to that show.
 
QP! said:
There is lots of talk, that the AUDITS Trump was continually referring to, while Potus, are actually close to coming to a close and Trump is going to end up with another $100MM plus bill.

Prior to all these Judgements Trump likely would have been negotiated a cash settlement amount to make it go away. They might have been at that stage. But now, with the new debts he owes, he may not be in a position to offer that.
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Wonder if he ever regrets that he won in 2016? Absent that, he might have continued on his merry cheating frauding way with impunity, until Satan came to take him home.
 
Nordberg said:
Trump committed a crime of degree and excess. It is true most people fudge in their taxes and most corporations do routinely. But Trump was tripling the size of buildings when used as collateral and reversing floor space when paying taxes. If you made claims of that level, you would get nailed too. Trump has been doing it for decades. Banks that relied on Trump's info were at risk. They were lending him money based on lies.
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it goes so much beyond that though.

Yes it wrong and fraud to lie about 'square footage' or 'fudge numbers', and 'lots of people and businesses do that to a lesser degree', but as the Judge cites , and i reposted above, Trump in numerous instances just created fantasy filings to get loans.

Back in the 80's i bought a single lot of speculative land in an area of Florida that had the potential to boom, if development rights went in that direction or bust if that area was never zoned for development. I paid $8000 for the gamble. I sold that land 10 years later for $12000 as the development rights were never granted in the way that would allow it to boom.

What Trump would do, time and again, if he owned that land I bought, is tell the bank it was valued at the highest speculative value one could attach to it, as if the development rights were granted, when he knew they were not. He would tell the bank he already developed it and all costs were paid and it was worth $2MM, based on his estimation of it being worth that, if the rights came thru. That is EXACTLY what he did with 7 Springs above.

So to even associate Trumps level of fraud, as a worse version of the more run of the mill 'fudging' others do is very wrong.

Trump is the full meal deal when it comes to fraud. His frauds are at every level and many levels most fraudsters refuse to go as they know the penalty will not just be a fine and may be jail time.
 
QP! said:
Reposting this so even the most stupid of magats cannot deny the clear fraud...
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It's interesting that rather than blaming their #GriftingShitgibbon for fraud, the dutiful MAGATs blame the banks for allegedly not doing due diligence to verify the claimed valuations.
 
QP! said:
it goes so much beyond that though.

Yes it wrong and fraud to lie about 'square footage' or 'fudge numbers', and 'lots of people and businesses do that to a lesser degree', but as the Judge cites , and i reposted above, Trump in numerous instances just created fantasy filings to get loans.

Back in the 80's i bought a single lot of speculative land in an area of Florida that had the potential to boom, if development rights went in that direction or bust if that area was never zoned for development. I paid $8000 for the gamble. I sold that land 10 years later for $12000 as the development rights were never granted in the way that would allow it to boom.

What Trump would do, time and again, if he owned that land I bought, is tell the bank it was valued at the highest speculative value one could attach to it, as if the development rights were granted, when he knew they were not. He would tell the bank he already developed it and all costs were paid and it was worth $2MM, based on his estimation of it being worth that, if the rights came thru. That is EXACTLY what he did with 7 Springs above.

So to even associate Trumps level of fraud, as a worse version of the more run of the mill 'fudging' others do is very wrong.

Trump is the full meal deal when it comes to fraud. His frauds are at every level and many levels most fraudsters refuse to go as they know the penalty will not just be a fine and may be jail time.
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banks do their own research.

nobody was harmed in this alleged "crime".

all parties to the contract are fine with it.

this is state interference for nakedly political reasons.

this is why you're losing.

the funny part is you people are so delusional you cant even see yourselves and how foolish you are.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Wonder if he ever regrets that he won in 2016? Absent that, he might have continued on his merry cheating frauding way with impunity, until Satan came to take him home.
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That is a question i have wondered as well.

There were real questions of whether or not Trump org, was heading towards another potentially bankruptcy pre him deciding to run against in 2016. He was almost broke before the Apprentice saved him, and that multi hundred million dollar influx of cash, was apparently tapped out, and Trump was again desperate for money. That is why, it is reported he ran. He did not believe he could win, and did not care. He just thought it would give him another "reality TV' like brand bump, that could he could cash in on.

So then he ends up winning and it is clear the power he felt in that office, became irresistible to him and corrupted him absolutely. The true story of 'absolute power corrupts absolutely'. Even as that power and the way he uses it, is destroying his 'brand' and hotels with his name on it, are breaking the contracts and deals and fleeing the brand, etc, Trump cannot resist the power, and sees other paths to new found riches, by grifting off Saudi's and Russians at new levels, by selling 'the Presidency'.

Trump has become like Gollum pursing the ring of power. Even as it corrupts him totally he desires that power and new level of wealth he can taste, so much he cannot resist it. So i doubt if you could give him a do over, if he would do anything different.

I think his kids would all want him not to run. Don and Eric will be left in the worse shape. As much as i think Ivanka hated the experience of the WH, it is, almost certainly, the only thing that saved her and Jared from bankrupting the Kushner family fortune, in true father in law DJT style.

Jared was at the very end of his leash to refinance their failing real estate empire before it was seized and sold in a bankruptcy sale. Every bank had turned him down to refinance and full payment was due.

it was only after Qatar turned down his last minute appeal to save him, and then his BFF MBS stepped up and threatened to invade Qatar, and Donald Trump turned on our ally Qatar and suggested he would support Saudi invading them as Qatar had terrorists in it (FLOL at Saudi invading someone for harboring terrorists), that Qatar instantly turned around and gave Kushner a sweat heart loan, saving his family empire, and INSTANTLY all the Saudi talk of invasion and Trump talk of Qatar housing terrorists, went away.

So while being in the WH saved Ivanka and Jarad, I am not sure if they would vote to do it again over, as they might think they would have found another way to threaten someone to pay their debts for them??
 
Blazed Pascal said:
banks do their own research.

nobody was harmed in this alleged "crime".

all parties to the contract are fine with it.

this is state interference for nakedly political reasons.

this is why you're losing.

the funny part is you people are so delusional you cant even see yourselves and how foolish you are.
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I guess if you completely ignore all evidence you can make claims like yours.

Trump was required to file truthful statements of financial condition on an annual basis as part of the loan agreements. For some of the loans if his net worth fell below a certain amount the banks could demand immediate repayment of the loan. Banks don't check every detail in a SFC because it would take far too much time and money to send an appraiser to 10 states and 5 countries to appraise every property included in that SFC. They rely on the person being truthful as required by law.
When Trump claims he can build 2500 homes in Scotland on the land he owns but the local authorities there have only given permission for 500, how is a bank in NY supposed to appraise that accurately?
When Trump claims that his investment in Vornado is fully liquid but the documents actually say he can't sell for 10 years, how is the bank supposed to know that?

The banks didn't know when Trump's net worth fell to a point where they could recall the loan. That means they took on risk they didn't know about. They were lucky and the risk didn't hurt them but the risk was also not properly paid for.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Boy, won't *that* be a feast for the legal vultures? I wonder in what order creditors would be satisfied? Would the legal judgments have first priority, would the banks? Other creditors like attorneys?
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I'd be willing to bet that is exactly where TrumpCo is headed.

Not sure and, TBH, I don't care. As long as Trump loses control of all of his money and his company of thieves, I'm satisfied. :thup:
 
Blazed Pascal said:
banks do their own research.

nobody was harmed in this alleged "crime".

all parties to the contract are fine with it.

this is state interference for nakedly political reasons.

this is why you're losing.

the funny part is you people are so delusional you cant even see yourselves and how foolish you are.
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what are "We losing"?

We are doing so much winning versus Trump we are tired of winning.

Trump the rapist - we win.
Trump the fraudster - we win
Election after election - we win

Are you so deluded you believe Trump is winning?

And again, the fraud is committed the minute you submit paper work to a bank that you have developed a property that you have not, and that it is valued at $250MM+ dollars when the valuation you paid for says $30MM.

Even if the bank does not give you a loan you still committed document fraud, and if you do not understand why that is because you are hopelessly stupid.


But i invite you to try it. Just make up that you own a bunch of developed properties that you do not and submit loan applications to numerous banks.

When you get turned down, and the police come knocking to arrest you for your fraud, say 'but i never got the loans...NO MONEY LOST = NO FRAUD' and see how that works out for you.
 
QP! said:
what are "We losing"?

We are doing so much winning versus Trump we are tired of winning.

Trump the rapist - we win.
Trump the fraudster - we win
Election after election - we win

Are you so deluded you believe Trump is winning?

And again, the fraud is committed the minute you submit paper work to a bank that you have developed a property that you have not, and that it is valued at $250MM+ dollars when the valuation you paid for says $30MM.

Even if the bank does not give you a loan you still committed document fraud, and if you do not understand why that is because you are hopelessly stupid.


But i invite you to try it. Just make up that you own a bunch of developed properties that you do not and submit loan applications to numerous banks.

When you get turned down, and the police come knocking to arrest you for your fraud, say 'but i never got the loans...NO MONEY LOST = NO FRAUD' and see how that works out for you.
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all polls.

dems are losing everyone because they're transparently awful.
 
QP! said:
what are "We losing"?

We are doing so much winning versus Trump we are tired of winning.

Trump the rapist - we win.
Trump the fraudster - we win
Election after election - we win

Are you so deluded you believe Trump is winning?

And again, the fraud is committed the minute you submit paper work to a bank that you have developed a property that you have not, and that it is valued at $250MM+ dollars when the valuation you paid for says $30MM.

Even if the bank does not give you a loan you still committed document fraud, and if you do not understand why that is because you are hopelessly stupid.


But i invite you to try it. Just make up that you own a bunch of developed properties that you do not and submit loan applications to numerous banks.

When you get turned down, and the police come knocking to arrest you for your fraud, say 'but i never got the loans...NO MONEY LOST = NO FRAUD' and see how that works out for you.
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you're a fucking idiot.
:truestory:
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
I guess if you completely ignore all evidence you can make claims like yours.

Trump was required to file truthful statements of financial condition on an annual basis as part of the loan agreements. For some of the loans if his net worth fell below a certain amount the banks could demand immediate repayment of the loan. Banks don't check every detail in a SFC because it would take far too much time and money to send an appraiser to 10 states and 5 countries to appraise every property included in that SFC. They rely on the person being truthful as required by law.
When Trump claims he can build 2500 homes in Scotland on the land he owns but the local authorities there have only given permission for 500, how is a bank in NY supposed to appraise that accurately?
When Trump claims that his investment in Vornado is fully liquid but the documents actually say he can't sell for 10 years, how is the bank supposed to know that?

The banks didn't know when Trump's net worth fell to a point where they could recall the loan. That means they took on risk they didn't know about. They were lucky and the risk didn't hurt them but the risk was also not properly paid for.
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it;s good judge engoron is here to save capitalism.
 
Geeko Sportivo said:
The penalty may be adjusted, but the judgement will not be overturned. As Donald may not have 355 million in liquid assets.

So he may not be able to put up bonds on what he owes now. I've read where he may not even have 40 million in liquid assets.

The IRS will be coming after him next. And if they fine him, he will be paying a lot more than that measly 355 million in Back Taxes.
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He testified that he had $400 million in cash. I wonder if that was perjury or if he counted his campaign money?

Don't you people like Trump have offshore accounts or does Trump just have lots of debt?
 
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