Should be very entertaining.
Let's See What Happens to Kangaroo Court "Fraud" Conviction on Appeal
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NiftyNiblick
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It must be frustrating to have your idol going through so much turmoil, Grok.
I agree with you in a way--America is so fucked up that he still could wind up skating on everything.
Biden could have ended all of this nonsense with a simple drone strike on the pigfucking orangutan.
Trump's hero Putin uses such solutions.
Maybe Biden should remember that even the worst people
can accidentally have good ideas if applied more appropriately and righteously.
I agree with you in a way--America is so fucked up that he still could wind up skating on everything.
Biden could have ended all of this nonsense with a simple drone strike on the pigfucking orangutan.
Trump's hero Putin uses such solutions.
Maybe Biden should remember that even the worst people
can accidentally have good ideas if applied more appropriately and righteously.
Geeko Sportivo
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Yeah, especially how the judge ignored the testimony of the only experts involved, the actual lending institutions.
What's frustrating is how the Stalinocrats just makeup non-existent crimes, like trying to get the best loan terms one can, is a "crime" in the New York SSR.
And the asinine pretense that real estate values are finite, and how the judge completely ignored the bank reps testimony to that exact point.
Dutch Uncle
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Let's See What Happens to Kangaroo Court "Fraud" Conviction on Appeal
Should be very entertaining.
There was no fraud. Let Trump try to appeal. He'll lose, but at least he'll stay in the limelight.
Should be very entertaining.
There was no fraud. Let Trump try to appeal. He'll lose, but at least he'll stay in the limelight.
BidenPresident
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Trump has lost every court case.
Only in corrupt courts, making up non existent crimes...
By fraud conviction, are you referring to the tax fraud conviction of the Trump Organization in December of 2022?
Or are you talking about the civil liability case he just lost?
The judge relied quite heavily on the testimony of experts. The problem for Trump is the experts put on by the state were much more convincing than the "experts" presented by Trump.
The judge lays out the facts for why the state's experts were much more convincing. For instance, they used actual math to show the difference in interest over the life of a loan if the loan interest was 25 basis points higher. Trump's 'experts' admitted they didn't even look at the appraisals.
Bullshit. The only real experts on real estate values are LENDERS. The ACTUAL LENDERS used their own assessment, just like every other loan.
Trump, like every American, is entitled to his own opinion of his properties' values, just like anyone selling/buying a house or car, etc., and seeking the best terms possible on a loan is no crime, anywhere, except the NYC SSR.
This bullshit will never stand up under a legal, honest appeal.
Who gets the $300+ Million fine, since no one was defrauded any money ??
Oh...let me guess...the Stalinocrats.
This will never survive appeal.
You don't seem to understand the basics of a commercial loan. You especially don't understand the principle of a personally guaranteed commercial loan.
This has nothing to do with the value of the property on which the loan was taken out. It has to do with personal financial statements required to be submitted annually as part of the loan agreement.
When I submit a financial statement to a bank, I don't get to decide that my 100 shares of APPLE are worth $1,000,000 anymore than I get to claim my house is now worth $10,000,000 when I bought it 5 years ago for $500,000. My home likely is worth more than the tax appraisal but it certainly isn't worth 2300% of the tax appraisal. My home also isn't suddenly 3 times its actual size.
The problem for Trump isn't that he just inflated the value a little. He made claims that were clearly false like claiming he had already built on land which was vacant and claiming he could subdivide the land into 3 times the number of lots allowed by the local authorities. That isn't just an opinion of value. That is lying about what is actually owned.
If U still believe in the so-called justice system after all that we have seen then you are an idiot.
If you still believe in Trump after all you have seen then it is you that is the idiot.
Remember this fact:
Trump is a Rapist!!!
I tend to agree. The giddy lefties forget that not one penny has yet been paid.
ExpressLane
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Probably nothing, perhaps a slight reduction in the fine, but no way they overturn the fraud conviction, he broke the law, committed Fraud, no one to deny that fact, all the “no one complained” bullshit is irrelevant
And appealing the case sounds easy to you, perhaps cause Trump appeals and delays everything, but he doesn’t walk free, he has to either deposit that money in an account while the appeal takes place, or, bond for it at higher rates. Either way, your Messiah ain’t happy
You do the crime, you pay the fine
ExpressLane
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This will not stand by the time Trump has exhausted his appeals. Judge Moron committed way to many errors.