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LV426 said:
And furthermore, I find this whole "genocide" by way of military funding to be quite antisemitic. As if the Jew is controlled by money in order to for the Jew to do what you want. That's slimy. That's bullshit. And that's not how this ends anyway.

I don't support this line of attack because I feel it's antisemitic. No one is demanding the leaders of Qatar, Egypt, or the UAE to call over to the leaders of Hamas and get them to ceasefire and return the hostages. So why is that one specific demand made of Israel but no one else? Because Jews are easily controlled by money....right? Isn;t that what you all think? That you can control the Jew with money?

Why try to control him and buy into old timey antisemitic tropes when you can just call on the Israeli people to hold elections and get him out of power. He was facing corruption charges anyway, how about you assclowns call for that? Because none of you know anything about this conflict.
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No one doubts that the attack into Israel oct 7 was nothing but an attempt by Hamas to kill innocent Israelis. They take a few hundred hostages and still hold many of them. I don't know why Israel doesn't say to Hamas and the rest of the world that until every one of those innocent hostages is released don't even fucking mention "cease fire".
 
LV426 said:
Doesn't look like you've thought your position through.

Looks to me like you're just screaming for attention and you don't seem to care that you venture into antisemite-land in order to get it.

Sad thing is, I agree that there is a slaughter and that it needs to end. But the difference is that I know it only ends when the Israelis get rid of Bibi and the Palestinians get rid of Hamas.
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There has been constant fighting between Isreal and the palistinians for well over 50 years. Getting rid of Bibi isn't going to change anything and you can't get rid of Hamas and if you did you would still have Hezbollah and other factions doing the same thing.
 
LV426 said:
You're the one losing here, man. You won't defend what you said. When confronted with the antisemitism in this one tactic of yours, your instinct is to lash out, get defensive, and try to call me names.

I AGREE THAT THE SLAUGHTER NEEDS TO END.

I just know that it only ends when the obstacles to peace are gone.

That's the most reasonable and intelligent position to have.
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The obstacle to peace is the Palistinian mindset that Israel has no right to exist. It is also shared by half or more of the rest of the muslim world and until that changes there will never be peace there. It is no single person or faction that will change that. The Jews would have been smart to find another homeland after WWII that was a little more conducive to settling. This current mess in Gaza has just solidified the next generation of hatred aimed at Israel.
 
Port Tack said:
This talk of "genocide" is utter bullshit. Is that what we did after Pearl Harbor? If you are brutally attacked by another country I think you have every right to kick their asses to prevent it from happening again. If Israel pulls out and leaves Gaza to the Palistinians and Hamas they will just have the same thing happen to them again in a few years.
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get lost troll
 
Port Tack said:
That is an complete joke. There will never be peace between the Palistinians and Israel. As long as the Palistinians swear that Israel has no right to exist they will be fighting. Now every male Palistinian from 2 to 52 that survives in Gaza will be hell bent on killing Israelis for the rest of their lives. The rest of the world simply has to accept the fact there will be periodic mass slaughter every few years in and around Israel.
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There was very nearly peace and a two-state solution back in 2000, but Arafat backed out at the last minute because it meant he would have to actually, you know, GOVERN which wasn't something he knew how to do.

So when faced with his own existential demise, he launched the second intifada which is where Hamas made a name for themselves with all the suicide bombings.

Because of Hamas, there is a giant wall and fence around most of the WB and all of Gaza today.

We also came to find out via Haaretz that Bibi has been covertly propping up Hamas in Gaza this entire time because Hamas gives Bibi the singular reason he remains PM.

Removing Hamas and removing Bibi is how you force a two-state solution on both parties. But they must do so themselves. We cannot get them out.
 
Port Tack said:
No one doubts that the attack into Israel oct 7 was nothing but an attempt by Hamas to kill innocent Israelis. They take a few hundred hostages and still hold many of them. I don't know why Israel doesn't say to Hamas and the rest of the world that until every one of those innocent hostages is released don't even fucking mention "cease fire".
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I think that the release of the hostages is a part of any ceasefire deal.
 
Port Tack said:
There has been constant fighting between Isreal and the palistinians for well over 50 years. Getting rid of Bibi isn't going to change anything and you can't get rid of Hamas and if you did you would still have Hezbollah and other factions doing the same thing.
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It's been more than 50 years...it's been about 80 years.

But bringing up Hezbollah raises an interesting point; there are about as many Palestinians in refugee camps in Arab countries as there are in the WB and Gaza.

So why have the Arab countries kept these Palestinians in camps for the last 80 years? Why don't they make them citizens of their countries?
 
Port Tack said:
The obstacle to peace is the Palistinian mindset that Israel has no right to exist. It is also shared by half or more of the rest of the muslim world and until that changes there will never be peace there. It is no single person or faction that will change that. The Jews would have been smart to find another homeland after WWII that was a little more conducive to settling. This current mess in Gaza has just solidified the next generation of hatred aimed at Israel.
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We were SOCLOSE to a two-state solution in 2000, but it was the ego of one man that derailed it.

I believe that the overwhelming majority of Israelis and Palestinians would be happy living side-by-side in a two-state solution with mutual commerce; that's basically what it was like during the mid-late 90's. But Arafat...fucking Arafat.
 
LV426 said:
Hell fucking yes, finally someone speaking sense.
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It seems to me its about to happen. One of the reasons Trump is being silent on the Israel issue.

Biden has played this well. It cost lives in the short run, but will likely save more if it works.
 
Jarod said:
It seems to me its about to happen. One of the reasons Trump is being silent on the Israel issue.

Biden has played this well. It cost lives in the short run, but will likely save more if it works.
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They were going to get rid of him last Fall, but Hamas attacked on 10/7.

Bibi was facing corruption charges. He was facing serious prison time. He was going to be found guilty and he was going to be locked up.

But then Hamas.
 
LV426 said:
They were going to get rid of him last Fall, but Hamas attacked on 10/7.

Bibi was facing corruption charges. He was facing serious prison time. He was going to be found guilty and he was going to be locked up.

But then Hamas.
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The waring parties, both Hamas and Bibi want to keep Bibi, he gives Hamas air.
 
Jarod said:
The waring parties, both Hamas and Bibi want to keep Bibi, he gives Hamas air.
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Yup.

As I have been saying, this doesn't end until Hamas and Bibi are both gone.

And it has to be the Palestinians to remove Hamas and the Israelis to remove Bibi.
 
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