Mosab Hassan Yousef, the son of a senior terrorist leader, slams Hamas

"A mere security operation?"

That's not a good characterization. Nor is "genocide." Seems like he's going too far in the other direction.

2 things can be true: Hamas is evil, and their attack on Israel was so bad and horrible that there are no words adequate to condemn it. And, Israel has gone too far in their response, and way too many Gazan civilians have died & are suffering.
 
BartenderElite said:
"A mere security operation?"

That's not a good characterization. Nor is "genocide." Seems like he's going too far in the other direction.

2 things can be true: Hamas is evil, and their attack on Israel was so bad and horrible that there are no words adequate to condemn it. And, Israel has gone too far in their response, and way too many Gazan civilians have died & are suffering.
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!,300 dead Israelis is equivalent to 50,000 dead Americans. We fought a World War because Japan killed 2,400 sailors. Israel should not stop until there are no more Hamas terrorists. Future generations of Israelis should not fear attack by Hamas terrorists. Hamas terrorists are putting Palestinians at risk to get bleeding hearts like you to cry out for a cease fire. Hamas could end the war tomorrow by returning the hostages and surrendering.
 
BartenderElite said:
"A mere security operation?"

That's not a good characterization. Nor is "genocide." Seems like he's going too far in the other direction.

2 things can be true: Hamas is evil, and their attack on Israel was so bad and horrible that there are no words adequate to condemn it. And, Israel has gone too far in their response, and way too many Gazan civilians have died & are suffering.
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How do you know, where are you getting your info from? Hamas has demonstrated beyond any doubt that they can never be trusted to provide accurate figures of dead and wounded. How many 'innocent civilians' are actually Hamas operatives and how many of the children killed resulted from being used as cannon fodder and tethered goats? There are no independent figures available that I know of, unless you know better.
 
serendipity said:
How do you know, where are you getting your info from? Hamas has demonstrated beyond any doubt that they can never be trusted to provide accurate figures of dead and wounded. How many 'innocent civilians' are actually Hamas operatives and how many of the children killed resulted from being used as cannon fodder and tethered goats? There are no independent figures available that I know of, unless you know better.
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Not an unfair point, and a legit concern - but from what I understand, the UN, experts on the region & even rivals of Hamas say the Gaza Ministry of Health (who report the #'s) are reliable and generally very accurate.

I have no reason to doubt that. People who study that region way more than I do trust the #'s.
 
BartenderElite said:
Not an unfair point, and a legit concern - but from what I understand, the UN, experts on the region & even rivals of Hamas say the Gaza Ministry of Health (who report the #'s) are reliable and generally very accurate.

I have no reason to doubt that. People who study that region way more than I do trust the #'s.
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UNWRA is mainly run by Hamas, do you really think they can be trusted because I certainly don't? Would you trust ISIS or Hezbollah to give accurate body count figures?
 
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serendipity said:
UNWRA is mainly run by Hamas, do you really think they can be trusted because I certainly don't? Would you trust ISIS or Hezbollah to give accurate body count figures?
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Looks like the US doesn't trust them either.

US pause on funding UN relief agency for Palestinians may become permanent

https://www.reuters.com/world/us-pause-funding-un-relief-agency-palestinians-may-become-permanent-2024-03-13/
 
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BartenderElite said:
"A mere security operation?"

That's not a good characterization. Nor is "genocide." Seems like he's going too far in the other direction.

2 things can be true: Hamas is evil, and their attack on Israel was so bad and horrible that there are no words adequate to condemn it. And, Israel has gone too far in their response, and way too many Gazan civilians have died & are suffering.
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Children dying of hunger is turning the world against Israel. Bibi doesn’t care about Israel.
 
Phantasmal said:
Children dying of hunger is turning the world against Israel. Bibi doesn’t care about Israel.
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Nobody should be dying of hunger ffs, if they are then that's due to Hamas stealing all the aid. This time is different though, Phanny. Save all your bullshit for when Lebanon goes up in flames!!

 
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BartenderElite said:
It's becoming more & more clear. People on this board are still addressing this like Gaza is populated by terrorists only, and trying to debunk casualty figures.

Pure denial.
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Did you even once denounce Assad or Putin for the horrors in Syria? Of course not, you're so fucking predictable!
 
BartenderElite said:
It's becoming more & more clear. People on this board are still addressing this like Gaza is populated by terrorists only, and trying to debunk casualty figures.

Pure denial.
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It's becoming more and more clear that democrats deny that Hamas is a terrorist organization sponsored by Iran, the same people who sponsor Joe Biden. Hamas started a war by engaging in an unprovoked attack and engaging in the most heinous and dastardly war crime imaginable, but democrats carry water for them.
 
BartenderElite said:
"A mere security operation?"

That's not a good characterization. Nor is "genocide." Seems like he's going too far in the other direction.

2 things can be true: Hamas is evil, and their attack on Israel was so bad and horrible that there are no words adequate to condemn it. And, Israel has gone too far in their response, and way too many Gazan civilians have died & are suffering.
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The sooner you wrap your head around 90% of Palestinians ARE HAMAS, the closer to reality and less in La-La Land you will be.
 
BartenderElite said:
Huh?

All I'm saying is "innocents should be protected." That's it. Doesn't seem too controversial.

But you & a few others here are all upset about that.
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What you don't seem to grasp is that Hamas don't care about innocents, they are all martyrs to their cause as far as they are concerned.
 
Matt Dillon said:
The sooner you wrap your head around 90% of Palestinians ARE HAMAS, the closer to reality and less in La-La Land you will be.
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You have no basis for that #.

I've said it before: there is a long history of dehumanizing whole populations. Whenever anyone has done that, to justify anything - they have been wrong.

How is it that it's so challenging to learn from history?
 
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