Trump vows to fight New York AG case 'all the way up to the US Supreme Court'

[Into the Night]

SCOTUS has no jurisdiction.

It certainly does.

There is no question regarding the Constitutionally of the law.

What law?

Trump is a simpleton. Like ziggy.

You are describing yourself again, Sock. You cannot project YOUR problem on anybody else.

 

[Into the Night]

Only because he's stealing from the RNC to pay his legal bills.

He isn't, Sock. You are hallucinating again.

 

[Althea]

They are setting precedent.

Backwards.

trump set precedent, and got caught.

There is a reason you cannot provide citation for this ever happening before.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

That has nothing to do with my argument you tard.



No, my argument is that an actual crime has to be committed. Actual harm has to have occurred. You can't charge someone for a "Thought crime." What the court did was extract a penalty for any future occasion where Trump might turn in iffy documents. That is, the court couldn't find him libel for the actual cases the state brought so they found him libel for any potential future cases that might be brought.

That is the very essence of a "Thought crime." The court became mind readers. The judge decided on the basis of his own opinion, and nothing more, that in the future Trump MIGHT, POSSIBLY, could repeat his behavior so on that basis he threw a half-a-billion dollar judgement against him. It wasn't on the basis of anything that has already occurred but rather on the basis of the judge using psychic powers, fortune telling, or some other equally stupid means of telling the future. That's the problem.

This isn't a "thought crime." Signing a document that you know is false is an action.

You are completely ignoring the judgement when you say the dollar amount was based on possible repeat behavior. The dollar amounts are based on actual gains realized by Trump that were the result of his filing of false documents. I posted the relevant parts of the court's judgement that show that is the case. The dollar amount is based on what Trump made in the getting reduced interest by lying about his financial situation and the profits Trump realized from selling assets he would not have been able to buy if not for lying on his financial statement.

It seems all you have is your idiocy and name calling. You certainly seem to be ignoring the actual facts of the case.

Simple question: If someone signs something under the penalty of perjury knowing what they are signing is false have they committed a crime? yes/no

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Backwards.

trump set precedent, and got caught.

There is a reason you cannot provide citation for this ever happening before.

There are plenty of cases tried under the law James used. In previous cases, a criminal case came first and after conviction, the defendant was then tried civilly to assess damages that resulted. For the first time in NY history, James went straight to trying Trump civilly--she had no criminal case and knows it--and shopped a judge that would gleefully hand down a sentence. They also had to make sure it was a bench trial, not a jury trial, because they knew that even if just one person on that jury objected--and there was a near certainty that would be the case--then their attempt to get Trump would fail.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

This isn't a "thought crime." Signing a document that you know is false is an action.

You are completely ignoring the judgement when you say the dollar amount was based on possible repeat behavior. The dollar amounts are based on actual gains realized by Trump that were the result of his filing of false documents. I posted the relevant parts of the court's judgement that show that is the case. The dollar amount is based on what Trump made in the getting reduced interest by lying about his financial situation and the profits Trump realized from selling assets he would not have been able to buy if not for lying on his financial statement.

It seems all you have is your idiocy and name calling. You certainly seem to be ignoring the actual facts of the case.

Simple question: If someone signs something under the penalty of perjury knowing what they are signing is false have they committed a crime? yes/no

YOU miss the point. Even the judge admitted that Trump caused no harm or loss. What he slapped that judgement on Trump for was the potential that in the future, at some unspecified point, maybe just maybe, Trump would fudge documents to get a loan and possibly, maybe, could happen, he'd default on that loan or otherwise cause a loss for the bank(s) involved.

That is the epitome of a "thought crime." In the US you cannot charge someone for simply thinking about doing a crime, nor can you charge someone for a crime they haven't committed but you believe will be committed at some point in the future. That is pure Stalin.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

There are plenty of cases tried under the law James used. In previous cases, a criminal case came first and after conviction, the defendant was then tried civilly to assess damages that resulted. For the first time in NY history, James went straight to trying Trump civilly--she had no criminal case and knows it--and shopped a judge that would gleefully hand down a sentence. They also had to make sure it was a bench trial, not a jury trial, because they knew that even if just one person on that jury objected--and there was a near certainty that would be the case--then their attempt to get Trump would fail.

ROFLMAO.
It seems if we all would just believe in your made up bullshit then we would all believe as you do.

Judges in NY are assigned randomly. There are 58 judges on the Supreme Court in NY County of which Engoran is one of them. The odds of getting Engoran are less than 2%. To call this judge shopping to get Engoran shows you know nothing about the process. Even if we eliminate the judges that are normally assigned certain issues, the odds of getting Engoran are about 5%.
https://ww2.nycourts.gov/courts/1jd/supctmanh/judicial_assignments.shtml

The reason it was a bench trial is because Trump failed to ask for one as required by law in a civil trial. All his lawyer had to do was pay the filing fee of $35 and file the paper work requesting one. That was not done. James didn't cause this to be a bench trial. Trump and his lawyers did.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

YOU miss the point. Even the judge admitted that Trump caused no harm or loss. What he slapped that judgement on Trump for was the potential that in the future, at some unspecified point, maybe just maybe, Trump would fudge documents to get a loan and possibly, maybe, could happen, he'd default on that loan or otherwise cause a loss for the bank(s) involved.

That is the epitome of a "thought crime." In the US you cannot charge someone for simply thinking about doing a crime, nor can you charge someone for a crime they haven't committed but you believe will be committed at some point in the future. That is pure Stalin.

You miss the point. If Trump is allowed to do this then isn't everyone allowed to do it?

You avoided my question.

Simple question: If someone signs something under the penalty of perjury knowing what they are signing is false have they committed a crime? yes/no

 

[Nordberg]

Trump wants to be president. He does not want to pay taxes for the country he wants to rule. No Trump has ever served in the military. He called them suckers. Trump does not care about the country.
He wants money and power, He wants immunity. Of course, he needs it to escape his lifetime of cheating.
Trumpys think that is OK.

 

[Althea]

There are plenty of cases tried under the law James used. In previous cases, a criminal case came first and after conviction, the defendant was then tried civilly to assess damages that resulted. For the first time in NY history, James went straight to trying Trump civilly--she had no criminal case and knows it--and shopped a judge that would gleefully hand down a sentence. They also had to make sure it was a bench trial, not a jury trial, because they knew that even if just one person on that jury objected--and there was a near certainty that would be the case--then their attempt to get Trump would fail.

Of course there's a criminal case. But we've never had a criminal for a POTUS before, and the logistics behind incarcerating one are tricky. Looks like the SS is going to be spending some time inside the prison walls after Biden wins in November.

 

[Althea]

ROFLMAO.
It seems if we all would just believe in your made up bullshit then we would all believe as you do.

Judges in NY are assigned randomly. There are 58 judges on the Supreme Court in NY County of which Engoran is one of them. The odds of getting Engoran are less than 2%. To call this judge shopping to get Engoran shows you know nothing about the process. Even if we eliminate the judges that are normally assigned certain issues, the odds of getting Engoran are about 5%.
https://ww2.nycourts.gov/courts/1jd/supctmanh/judicial_assignments.shtml

The reason it was a bench trial is because Trump failed to ask for one as required by law in a civil trial. All his lawyer had to do was pay the filing fee of $35 and file the paper work requesting one. That was not done. James didn't cause this to be a bench trial. Trump and his lawyers did.

Terry is having a bad weekend. In his 'free electricity' thread, he seems to think that a $30/month dividend (after a $7500.00 cash outlay) will pay your electric bill.

What many ignore in the discussion about trump's fraud, is that he also defrauded the city via lower evaluations for tax purposes.

He cannot have it both ways. The valuation is the valuation, and the city will assess the property accordingly. He can whine about the banks not being damaged, but the NY taxpayers certainly were.

 

[Into the Night]

Backwards.

trump set precedent, and got caught.

There is a reason you cannot provide citation for this ever happening before.

Got caught with what, Sock?

 

[Into the Night]

This isn't a "thought crime." Signing a document that you know is false is an action.

No false document, Sock.

You are completely ignoring the judgement when you say the dollar amount was based on possible repeat behavior. The dollar amounts are based on actual gains realized by Trump that were the result of his filing of false documents. I posted the relevant parts of the court's judgement that show that is the case. The dollar amount is based on what Trump made in the getting reduced interest by lying about his financial situation and the profits Trump realized from selling assets he would not have been able to buy if not for lying on his financial statement.

No false document, Sock.

It seems all you have is your idiocy and name calling. You certainly seem to be ignoring the actual facts of the case.

No false document, Sock.

Simple question: If someone signs something under the penalty of perjury knowing what they are signing is false have they committed a crime? yes/no

No false document, Sock.

 

[Into the Night]

ROFLMAO.
It seems if we all would just believe in your made up bullshit then we would all believe as you do.

Judges in NY are assigned randomly.

The judge was not assigned randomly.

There are 58 judges on the Supreme Court in NY County of which Engoran is one of them. The odds of getting Engoran are less than 2%. To call this judge shopping to get Engoran shows you know nothing about the process.

The judge was not assigned randomly.

Even if we eliminate the judges that are normally assigned certain issues, the odds of getting Engoran are about 5%.

The judge was not assigned randomly.

https://ww2.nycourts.gov/courts/1jd/supctmanh/judicial_assignments.shtml

Not followed.

The reason it was a bench trial
is because Trump failed to ask for one as required by law in a civil trial.

Blatant lie.

All his lawyer had to do was pay the filing fee of $35 and file the paper work requesting one. That was not done.

It was done, Sock. You are blatantly lying again.

James didn't cause this to be a bench trial. Trump and his lawyers did.

Blatant lie.

 

[Into the Night]

You miss the point. If Trump is allowed to do this then isn't everyone allowed to do it?

Everyone IS allowed to apply for a loan, Sock, in just exactly the same way.

You avoided my question.

RQAA.

Simple question: If someone signs something under the penalty of perjury knowing what they are signing is false have they committed a crime? yes/no

RQAA.

 

[Into the Night]

Trump wants to be president. He does not want to pay taxes for the country he wants to rule.

Trump pays taxes, Sock. He does not want to rule. You are hallucinating again.

No Trump has ever served in the military.

So?

He called them suckers.

You are hallucinating again, Sock.

Trump does not care about the country.

An awful lot of people disagree with you.

He wants money and power,

He already has it.

He wants immunity.

He already has it.

Of course, he needs it to escape his lifetime of cheating.

What 'cheating'? It is DEMOCRATS that cheat in elections, Sock. It is DEMOCRATS that caused the 2020 election to fault through election fraud. They did it again in 2022. They are already trying to do it again for 2024. You cannot blame YOUR problems on Trump or anybody else, Sock.

 

[Into the Night]

Of course there's a criminal case.

The New York trial was not a criminal trial, Sock.
Trump has committed no crime.

But we've never had a criminal for a POTUS before,

Trump has committed no crime.

and the logistics behind incarcerating one are tricky.

Trump has committed no crime.

Looks like the SS is going to be spending some time inside the prison walls after Biden wins in November.

War mongering.

 

[Into the Night]

Terry is having a bad weekend.

You don't get to speak for T. A. Gardner. You only get to speak for you. Omniscience fallacy.

In his 'free electricity' thread, he seems to think that a $30/month dividend (after a $7500.00 cash outlay) will pay your electric bill.

Depends on how much electricity you use. You could always invest more and get a higher dividend payout, you know.

What many ignore in the discussion about trump's fraud, is that he also defrauded the city via lower evaluations for tax purposes.

No fraud.

The valuation is the valuation, and the city will assess the property accordingly.

They did. The court can't override that on a whim. The court has no authority in Florida or Scotland either. The judge broke the law. So did the New York AG.

He can whine about the banks not being damaged, but the NY taxpayers certainly were.

No, they weren't...not by Trump at least.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Of course there's a criminal case. But we've never had a criminal for a POTUS before, and the logistics behind incarcerating one are tricky. Looks like the SS is going to be spending some time inside the prison walls after Biden wins in November.

Bullshit. There was never a criminal case against Trump for defrauding banks or other lenders over real estate deals. James applied the civil law to Trump that was, up to this point, used to go after assets of someone who was found guilty of criminal fraud. She bypassed that step.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

No false document, Sock.

No false document, Sock.

No false document, Sock.

No false document, Sock.

Maybe if you keep saying it repeatedly it might become true.

Meanwhile back in the real world, even Trump admitted that the information on the document wasn't true when he argued no one should believe it because of his disclaimer.