ThatOwlWoman
Not Nice
Exactly.
California Restaurants Cut Jobs as Fast-Food Wages Set to Rise
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Exactly.
ThatOwlWoman
Not Nice
Show me a single post where I have ever said Ivermectin cures COVID. Why are Libratards such liars.
"Libratards"? I'm not a Libra, but nice try, Capritard.
cawacko
Well-known member
"Loose"?
Guess what? They're already paying fast food people twice the federal minimum wage here in this relatively low cost of living region, because otherwise they can't hire anyone. Nursing home aides are making more per hour than I made as a licensed nurse before I retired (14 years ago). Same reason.
$20/hour in California isn't squat. Here's an idea: if you feel so bad for these fast food joints, stop cooking at home and eat out every meal. Super size your meals. Please. lol
Was reading through the thread again and the bolded jumped out at me. The statement is true, and it's sad that it is true. California is the most amazing state (second best state in the Union behind Ohio). So much natural beauty and history. But we've made choices that make the state so prohibitively expensive to live here. (We now have the highest poverty rate, the highest unemployment rate and a $73B deficit.)
The minimum wage debate reminds me a little of the rent control debate. Rent control is great for someone who has it (of course rent control for the rich is the height of irony) but the tradeoff is it makes the housing market less dynamic and more expensive for everyone else. Increasing minimum wage is great for someone who has a minimum wage job and gets to work the same hours. The tradeoff is it cost jobs, some workers who keep their jobs get less hours and prices go up for consumers.
Plenty of people here will say 'I'd rather pay more and live here than somewhere else'. But it's not a sustainable model for the country. People claim we are losing the middle class in America. Well come to California and see how small it is relatively speaking. That's our reality.
ThatOwlWoman
Not Nice
I don't believe that all of California's high cost of living is due to poor management. It's also due to its popularity for all the reasons you cited. It IS a beautiful state with amazing diversity of land forms, flora and fauna, climate zones, and people. High demand for housing and short supply makes your cost of living much higher than, say, the midwest. Stop being so damned attractive and maybe everyone will move out. lol
As for Ohio, I was born there and never went back, and never will. Why do you like it?
cawacko
Well-known member
I was born in Columbus. Truth be told I only lived there until I was two but I think five generations in my family have gone to Ohio State so to me Ohio will always have a special place in my heart. In more recent times I was working with an investor looking to buy a Columbus office high rise and in looking at the demographics, Columbus was possibly the fastest growing metropolitan area in the Midwest if memory serves me correctly.
Regarding California, I didn't use the word mismanagement (although I think it is a 100% accurate term) rather the choices we have made. We moved to California in 1981 and at that time they were talking about the state being over populated and they were implementing slow growth measures. The state has almost doubled in size since and we've kept, and doubled down on, the slow growth measures. The biggest being we have not allowed the supply of housing keep up. One doesn't need to go to M.I.T. to understand if you're going to have more people they are going to need a place to live. And if you don't provide them that then prices get all out of whack, which is what we have now. So when people say it's a supply and demand issue I say not really in that we almost put a cap on supply. We don't allow the market to function as it should.
We choose to address climate change with onerous regulations that drive the cost of utilities and electricity extremely high. Some will say the high cost isn't ideal but it's necessary to deal with the climate. The high minimum wage we have has trade offs. I mentioned what rent control does. These are choices. What we have now is the most wealth in the country and the highest poverty rate (along with the highest unemployment rate). That can 'work' for California, but isn't really a sustainable model for the country. And California doesn't have the same feel it did a couple of decades ago (for context many locals who aren't right-wingers say this, that isn't just something from Fox News). Maybe that's inevitable as a state grows bigger but it's unfortunate because while there is still opportunity here of course, it has a different feel.
NiftyNiblick
1960s Chick Magnet
To me, everything worth doing is worth planning,
and that applies to the economy as well.
I don't think that the policy of state intervention is bad.
Whether the actual intervention itself is good or bad is another issue.
and that applies to the economy as well.
I don't think that the policy of state intervention is bad.
Whether the actual intervention itself is good or bad is another issue.
Yakuda
Verified User
Neither are you
BidenPresident
Verified User
shut up you piece of garbage
cawacko
Well-known member
And FWIW I recognize we live in a highly polarized country and California is often used as a proxy. To some the state can do no right, and to others no wrong. I’m not trying to speak from either of those perspectives.
Yakuda
Verified User
It's amazing how simple you are.
cawacko
Well-known member
Everything good needs planning? It begs the question, are you actually a woman or just identify as one?
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Yakuda
Verified User
Nah I dont think so. Besides I dont take orders from subhuman creatures like you.
NiftyNiblick
1960s Chick Magnet
Boston is small for a major city and congested...with iffy weather at best.
Nobody who can afford to stay, however, ever leaves.
That's why our housing is so ludicrously overpriced.
There's nothing on the market.
People die and leave their property to their kids
who also don't want to leave.
It's sort of European in a way.
Or maybe not. I don't know. I'm not sure.
I don't know what it is about Boston,
but if one grows up here, it's really, really hard to get used to anyplace else.
We get accused of being provincial.
Our world map is said to be Boston and everywhere else, some parts useful for short vacations.
My only answer to that is,
well, yes. That's how I feel too.
I just love this town--maybe not quite as much as fifty or sixty years ago--
but I still love it.
ThatOwlWoman
Not Nice
It's a lucky person who lives where they were meant to be.
Into the Night
Verified User
Yup. Price controls (including wage controls) always do the same thing...create shortages. In this case, shortage of jobs.
Into the Night
Verified User
If you want to whine, it won't work to get or keep a job.
Into the Night
Verified User
Sure it is.
McDonalds for example uses wheat for it's buns (and even a bit of sesame seed!), beef, tomatoes, lettuce, pickled cucumber, and American cheese (a dairy product). Their fries are made from Russet potatoes (most of which is grown in Idaho, Oregon and Washington). Their orange juice is from fresh oranges raised in Florida and other like places. Their fish for their fish sandwich is whitefish, breaded with cornmeal. Their eggs for their breakfasts come from the same place and the same kind of chickens you get your eggs from. Their pancakes are made from wheat.
What is unhealthy about it?
Into the Night
Verified User
Irrelevant. He is not subject to minimum wage laws
Into the Night
Verified User
It is real food.
Into the Night
Verified User
That's rather immaterial anyway. He's just showing his avarice again. He knows he's not worth what a CEO makes. He's probably got sour grapes because he's losing his job.