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[Timshel]

Its not: normal moral natural or healthy. And its a genetic dead end.

It's normal, natural and is not necessarily unhealthy. It does not offend my morals in anyway.

Being homosexual does not mean you are incapable of procreating and even if it did, I don't see how that matters. You believe individuals have some duty to procreate?

 

[DamnYankee]

It's normal, natural and is not necessarily unhealthy. It does not offend my morals in anyway.

Being homosexual does not mean you are incapable of procreating and even if it did, I don't see how that matters. You believe individuals have some duty to procreate?

• 1% of any behavior in a population is abnormal;
• it is not a natural situation since it results in a genetic dead end
• If queers do procreate then they do so by being untrue to their chosen behavior; or by using unnatural means;
• queers have sex by sodomy which is indeed unhealthy;
• sodomy is immoral regardless of your opinion and denial.

The fact that a person chooses a genetic dead end indicates to a military commander that he lacks important aspects of the natural instincts of survival.

 

[Timshel]

[*]1% of any behavior in a population is abnormal;

Homosexuals account for more than one percent of the population.

[*]it is not a natural situation since it results in a genetic dead end

That is a strange definition of natural. But it does not lead to a genetic dead end.

[*]If queers do procreate then they do so by being untrue to their chosen behavior; or by using unnatural means;

So because it leads to a genetic a dead end it is unnatural and if it does not lead to a genetic dead end it is unnatural. lol

[*]queers have sex by sodomy which is indeed unhealthy;

Do you mean anal sex? Not all of them and so do heteros.

It's not unhealthy.

[*]sodomy is immoral regardless of your opinion and denial.

That's just your opinion and you offer no argument to support it.

The fact that a person chooses a genetic dead end indicates to a military commander that he lacks important aspects of the natural instincts of survival.

LOL. What a stretch. Neither desire nor the ability to procreate seem to have anything to do with the desire to survive. That's a rather extraordinary claim. You are going to need something more than your say so to back that up.

Masturbation is a genetic dead end. Let's just throw everyone out.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

Homosexuals account for more than one percent of the population.



That is a strange definition of natural. But it does not lead to a genetic dead end.



So because it leads to a genetic a dead end it is unnatural and if it does not lead to a genetic dead end it is unnatural. lol



Do you mean anal sex? Not all of them and so do heteros.

It's not unhealthy.



That's just your opinion and you offer no argument to support it.



LOL. What a stretch. Neither desire nor the ability to procreate seem to have anything to do with the desire to survive. That's a rather extraordinary claim. You are going to need something more than your say so to back that up.

Masturbation is a genetic dead end. Let's just throw everyone out.

"masturbation"
"throw eveeryone out"

 

[Billy the Great Khan]

Its not: normal moral natural or healthy. And its a genetic dead end.

And I'm sure you'd back this up with evidence. Otherwise you'd be arguing against former service members (myself for example) that disagree wholeheartedly.

 

[NOVA]

And I'm sure you'd back this up with evidence. Otherwise you'd be arguing against former service members (myself for example) that disagree wholeheartedly.

Give 'em hell CaptBilly....tell 'em how normal it is and how good it feels....natural and healthy too...straighten that dude out...

 

[Billy the Great Khan]

Give 'em hell CaptBilly....tell 'em how normal it is and how good it feels....natural and healthy too...straighten that dude out...

Well being that I'm drunk off my ass (or more drunk than that), I can't tell if you're being serious. If you mean to imply that I'm a homosexual, there is photographic evidence here that points otherwise. But as for gay experiences, yeah I've had them. All in the military. If nothing else, the USMC encourages it.

 

[Timshel]

Well being that I'm drunk off my ass (or more drunk than that), I can't tell if you're being serious. If you mean to imply that I'm a homosexual, there is photographic evidence here that points otherwise. But as for gay experiences, yeah I've had them. All in the military. If nothing else, the USMC encourages it.

The truth is that homosexuality is very much intertwined with military history. It's probably been more common among soldiers than any other segment of the population.

 

[Billy the Great Khan]

The truth is that homosexuality is very much intertwined with military history. It's probably been more common among soldiers than any other segment of the population.

Depends on how ya view it. All of my 'gay' experiences weren't honestly gay. They were to creep other people out. And they worked very well I might add.

 

[DamnYankee]

And I'm sure you'd back this up with evidence. Otherwise you'd be arguing against former service members (myself for example) that disagree wholeheartedly.

Post 122.

 

[Jarod]

• 1% of any behavior in a population is abnormal;
• it is not a natural situation since it results in a genetic dead end
• If queers do procreate then they do so by being untrue to their chosen behavior; or by using unnatural means;
• queers have sex by sodomy which is indeed unhealthy;
• sodomy is immoral regardless of your opinion and denial.

The fact that a person chooses a genetic dead end indicates to a military commander that he lacks important aspects of the natural instincts of survival.

Plenty of military people choose a generational dead end, they dont get married, choose not to have kids.. or go into a mission that will kill them.

 

[DamnYankee]

Homosexuals account for more than one percent of the population.

Not according to most recent studies as well as the 2000 US Census. Even if these estimates are off by 100% (in other words, queers are 2%) it still indicates a statistically abnormal number.

That is a strange definition of natural. But it does not lead to a genetic dead end.

By pure logic, it is a dead end.

So because it leads to a genetic a dead end it is unnatural and if it does not lead to a genetic dead end it is unnatural. lol

Your deductive fallacy.

Do you mean anal sex? Not all of them and so do heteros.

It's not unhealthy.

I suggest that you look up the definition if you don't know the meaning of the word, then look up the medical statistics that prove you wrong. Because some heteros do it too is not an argument for it.

That's just your opinion and you offer no argument to support it.

Actually, the ethical standard, The Bible, deems it as immoral.

LOL. What a stretch. Neither desire nor the ability to procreate seem to have anything to do with the desire to survive. That's a rather extraordinary claim. You are going to need something more than your say so to back that up.

Not at all. If individuals decide not to contribute to the procreation of a species it is indeed an indicator of weakness, by pure logic.

Masturbation is a genetic dead end. Let's just throw everyone out.

If you choose a lifestyle of pleasuring yourself that way, then yes, your comparison to homosexuality as a dead end is correct.

 

[DamnYankee]

Plenty of military people choose a generational dead end, they dont get married, choose not to have kids.. or go into a mission that will kill them.

My argument is based on a summation of several factors. Statistical anomalies of one of those factors does not negate the argument.

 

[Jarod]

My argument is based on a summation of several factors. Statistical anomalies of one of those factors does not negate the argument.

Less than .001% of the population is as smart as Einstein, does that make the knoledge he imparted to the world UNNATURAL?

 

[DamnYankee]

Less than .001% of the population is as smart as Einstein, does that make the knoledge he imparted to the world UNNATURAL?

No it makes it abnormal. "Normal" is a statistical term, by itself neither good or bad. For example, I am highly intelligent, which is abnormal, and your intelligence is in the normal range, yet below the mean.

 

[Timshel]

Learn how to use the quotes.

Not according to most recent studies as well as the 2000 US Census. Even if these estimates are off by 100% (in other words, queers are 2%) it still indicates a statistically abnormal number.

The US Census, lol. You must be kidding? The lowest number in studies I have seen put it at 2-3%. You have some other source?

So because it leads to a genetic a dead end it is unnatural and if it does not lead to a genetic dead end it is unnatural. lol

Your deductive fallacy.

That's your argument.

I suggest that you look up the definition if you don't know the meaning of the word, then look up the medical statistics that prove you wrong. Because some heteros do it too is not an argument for it.

Are you unaware that people often use the word to mean different things? Sometimes people use sodomy to include oral sex and other things, sometimes they just mean anal.

It really does not matter what definition you are using. Heteros engage in sodomy too and it is not unhealthy.

To what medical statistics are you referring? Provide your source please. Is it the US Census? lol

Actually, the ethical standard, The Bible, deems it as immoral.

That's your ethical standard which is an incoherent one. Do whatever God (church leader) says and if there are contradictions pick the most hateful position.

Regardless, this is not the military of God, the Vatican or Christendom. It is the US military.

Not at all. If individuals decide not to contribute to the procreation of a species it is indeed an indicator of weakness, by pure logic.

By the logic of non sequitur.

If you choose a lifestyle of pleasuring yourself that way, then yes, your comparison to homosexuality as a dead end is correct.

I am sure that would still kick out a lot of soldiers. I believe, masturbation is a continuing part of a large number of peoples lives. Especially, among the younger demographics of potential soldiers.

 

[Timshel]

No it makes it abnormal. "Normal" is a statistical term, by itself neither good or bad.

If it is neither good nor bad then why is it relevant? Wiccans are abnormal, not to mention immoral according to you. Our military accommodates rather than excludes them.

 

[Damocles]

No it makes it abnormal. "Normal" is a statistical term, by itself neither good or bad. For example, I am highly intelligent, which is abnormal, and your intelligence is in the normal range, yet below the mean.

LOL.

 

[Damocles]

If it is neither good nor bad then why is it relevant? Wiccans are abnormal, not to mention immoral according to you. Our military accommodates rather than excludes them.

Right. If the military excluded things that were unnatural they wouldn't be able to function. It is unnatural to bomb the living crap out of people using remote controlled airplanes. Well, at least I don't think we've observed termites doing that...

 

[Timshel]

[*]If queers do procreate then they do so by being untrue to their chosen behavior; or by using unnatural means;

BTW, why does it matter whether they are untrue to their chosen behavior? I really don't even understand what that means. Some times I feel like a nut, sometimes I don't. Who cares? The choice of one behavior does not mean I must permanently exclude myself from all other possibly competing choices.

I think, you are exposing the fact that you really believe it is a little more hardwired than a simple choice. If you had said "if queers do procreate then they do so by being untrue to their nature" then that would make some sense.