Facing The Ugly Truth

At some point in the foreseeable future, I think Americans are going to have to come to the realization that we can't continue to allow government to borrow, print, and spend, like insane people. But are any of us prepared to face the ugly truth of how we must fix the problem? Of course, we have to cut the budget. It simply can't be supported by the revenues we bring in, and it can't continue to run in the red forever. As long as it does, we continue to amass debt, and it's almost to a point now, of us never being able to feasibly repay it. Before we can even think about starting to repay it, we have to balance our annual budget, it's as simple as that, but the ugly truth must be faced.

Many of us can stand up and cheer this! Oh yes, we DO need to balance the budget and pay down the debt! The problems start when we begin to get into the details of how we go about doing that. It essentially means drastic cuts in many 'entitlement' programs, of which we have become accustomed to, familiar with, and sympathetic for. It also means dramatic cuts in military funding, government contracts, and corporate welfare. Regardless of the argument for the benefits, these expenditures are way out of proportion to the money we take in, and these discrepancies have to be resolved. Facing the ugly truth requires you to set aside your personal feelings on what is off the table, with regard to budget cuts, and America just isn't there yet.

Liberals want to live in denial of the ugly truth, maintaining that we just need to raise taxes on rich greedy people and corporations, and this is the answer to our money shortfalls. In fact, we can spend even MORE money, if we raise taxes on the rich fat bastards, who have more than they deserve! While this childish mentality serves to gratify feelings of class envy to some degree, it doesn't even recognize the ugly truth. Raising taxes and punishing capitalism has proven to actually be detrimental to revenue, putting us even further in the hole, while liberals appease their denial. Oh, but they aren't Liberals, they are "Progressives!" The only thing "progressive" about their viewpoints, is how progressively it is pushing us off a cliff.

Republicans haven't been much better, they live in their own denial of the ugly truth. If we could just cut taxes and stimulate the economy with corporate incentives, we can "grow" ourselves out of this mess! This is what they say, but... the ugly truth is; not unless we first balance the budget! Oh, but we can't cut the military... Yes, we have to cut the military's budget too, that's all a part of the ugly truth. And on both sides, our Senators and Representatives pander to their own self-interests, fight for the pork for their states... make the backroom deals to secure money for their constituents... and continue to live in denial of the ugly truth.

The act of just balancing the budget, not paying a penny toward the $13 trillion debt, would cause the biggest public outcry this nation has ever seen. There would be opponents on the left and right, screaming and raising hell about elimination of inefficient programs, and cuts in their pet agenda items. It wouldn't be pretty, and the media would inundate us with sob stories, pulling and tugging at our compassionate heart strings, and enough people would cave and give in to the much easier concept of remaining in denial of the ugly truth.
 
Looks like we can keep spending more and more... Dixie said we cant and we all know the opposit of what he says is always TRUE!
 
A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years.

Great nations rise and fall. The people go from bondage to spiritual truth, to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency, from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependence, from dependence back again to bondage.

The quote above is often attributed to Tytler, however the reality is the Author is unknown.
 
Not only "Yawn" but it's partisan bullshit. Why just entitlement programs? Why shouldn't defense spending be on the boad? How much of our Red ink is from wastefull, useless or impracticall military spending. Dixie's being a hypocrit. He only wants to put the programs HE doesn't like on the chopping block. That's the real crux of the problem. Everybody wants to cut spending and balance the budget but dont' want to cut the programs that they like.

If Dixie is truely serious about this then everything has to be on the chopping block or it will never work.

If Dixie is serious about looking at the ugly truth he needs to start by looking in the mirror!
 
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Not only "Yawn" but it's partisan bullshit. Why just entitlement programs? Why shouldn't defense spending be on the boad? How much of our Red ink is from wastefull, useless or impracticall military spending. Dixie's being a hypocrit. He only wants to put the programs HE doesn't like on the chopping block. That's the real crux of the problem. Everybody wants to cut spending and balance the budget but dont' want to cut the programs that they like.

If Dixie is truely serious about this then everything has to be on the chopping block or it will never work.

He said Republicans argue military spending shouldn't be on the chopping block while Dixie is saying it should be.
 
Big Gubmint can always increase the money supply.

The Bureau of Engraving and Printing (BEP) produces approximately 38 million notes a day with a face value of approximately $750 million.

No sweat.
 
He said Republicans argue military spending shouldn't be on the chopping block while Dixie is saying it should be.
I stand corrected and my apologies then.

There is truth to Damos quote from Tyler. All the great western empires. The Romans, the Spanish, the Dutch, The British and now the Americans reached their pinnacle and began their decline when they over extended themselves financially and militarilly.
 
these trailer trash tea baggers didn't have shit to say as the gov fucked up financial position got their asses kicked out. At least these GED's like Dixie and bravo realize it was dept that started thier poisoning. I should have said funny.
 
Because the U.S. GDP has risen over time, the military budget can rise in absolute terms while shrinking as a percentage of the GDP.

President Barack Obama has asked Congress to approve a record $708 billion in defense spending for fiscal 2011.

The budget calls for a 3.4 percent increase in the Pentagon's base budget to $549 billion, plus $159 billion to fund U.S. military missions in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Overall, the budget includes $112.8 billion for weapons procurement, up from $104.8 billion in fiscal 2010, and $76 billion for research and development, down from $80 billion.
 
Big Gubmint is here to stay. Big Gubmint will grow and grow. America loves Big Gubmint.
Actually, most don't. If the feds would stick to their enumerated powers the vast majority of federal agencies would simply go away, and the budget issues would quickly resolve themselves.
 
Not only "Yawn" but it's partisan bullshit. Why just entitlement programs? Why shouldn't defense spending be on the boad? How much of our Red ink is from wastefull, useless or impracticall military spending. Dixie's being a hypocrit. He only wants to put the programs HE doesn't like on the chopping block. That's the real crux of the problem. Everybody wants to cut spending and balance the budget but dont' want to cut the programs that they like.

If Dixie is truely serious about this then everything has to be on the chopping block or it will never work.

If Dixie is serious about looking at the ugly truth he needs to start by looking in the mirror!

Evidence of a closed-minded person who didn't bother to read the thread before responding with his typical closed-minded stupidity. This isn't about what Dixie wants, or even what Dixie would want to cut! I'm sure, when the axe started falling on certain things, I would bitch just like everyone else, but this thread is about us facing the ugly truth, and when that might happen. I honestly think it will take a complete financial collapse, and a change of life as we know it. Something so overwhelming, we simply can't remain in denial any longer, and we ultimately are forced to face the ugly truth. I don't think we will get there otherwise.
 
At some point in the foreseeable future, I think Americans are going to have to come to the realization that we can't continue to allow government to borrow, print, and spend, like insane people. But are any of us prepared to face the ugly truth of how we must fix the problem? Of course, we have to cut the budget. It simply can't be supported by the revenues we bring in, and it can't continue to run in the red forever. As long as it does, we continue to amass debt, and it's almost to a point now, of us never being able to feasibly repay it. Before we can even think about starting to repay it, we have to balance our annual budget, it's as simple as that, but the ugly truth must be faced.

Many of us can stand up and cheer this! Oh yes, we DO need to balance the budget and pay down the debt! The problems start when we begin to get into the details of how we go about doing that. It essentially means drastic cuts in many 'entitlement' programs, of which we have become accustomed to, familiar with, and sympathetic for. It also means dramatic cuts in military funding, government contracts, and corporate welfare. Regardless of the argument for the benefits, these expenditures are way out of proportion to the money we take in, and these discrepancies have to be resolved. Facing the ugly truth requires you to set aside your personal feelings on what is off the table, with regard to budget cuts, and America just isn't there yet.

Liberals want to live in denial of the ugly truth, maintaining that we just need to raise taxes on rich greedy people and corporations, and this is the answer to our money shortfalls. In fact, we can spend even MORE money, if we raise taxes on the rich fat bastards, who have more than they deserve! While this childish mentality serves to gratify feelings of class envy to some degree, it doesn't even recognize the ugly truth. Raising taxes and punishing capitalism has proven to actually be detrimental to revenue, putting us even further in the hole, while liberals appease their denial. Oh, but they aren't Liberals, they are "Progressives!" The only thing "progressive" about their viewpoints, is how progressively it is pushing us off a cliff.

Republicans haven't been much better, they live in their own denial of the ugly truth. If we could just cut taxes and stimulate the economy with corporate incentives, we can "grow" ourselves out of this mess! This is what they say, but... the ugly truth is; not unless we first balance the budget! Oh, but we can't cut the military... Yes, we have to cut the military's budget too, that's all a part of the ugly truth. And on both sides, our Senators and Representatives pander to their own self-interests, fight for the pork for their states... make the backroom deals to secure money for their constituents... and continue to live in denial of the ugly truth.

The act of just balancing the budget, not paying a penny toward the $13 trillion debt, would cause the biggest public outcry this nation has ever seen. There would be opponents on the left and right, screaming and raising hell about elimination of inefficient programs, and cuts in their pet agenda items. It wouldn't be pretty, and the media would inundate us with sob stories, pulling and tugging at our compassionate heart strings, and enough people would cave and give in to the much easier concept of remaining in denial of the ugly truth.

The budget deficit becomes the most important thing in the world to Republicans when they're out of power.

It's something we should focus on in the middle term, but Republitards are demanding drop everything now or we die..
 
I stand corrected and my apologies then.

There is truth to Damos quote from Tyler. All the great western empires. The Romans, the Spanish, the Dutch, The British and now the Americans reached their pinnacle and began their decline when they over extended themselves financially and militarilly.

We haven't overextended ourselves. We just can't work anything out because idiots like Topper think gridlock rules.
 
A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years.

Damo, there are plenty of democracies in the world with balanced budgets. It would, in fact, be easy as cake to balance the budget if we were actually a democracy, rather than having a lawmaking system constantly ground to a halt. It's impossible for anyone to get anything done because there are so many interests in congress, and so few of them are working for the nation at large. Rather, they work for their district, and hand out pork. They work for Rush Limbaugh, and hand out tax cuts.
 
Damo, there are plenty of democracies in the world with balanced budgets. It would, in fact, be easy as cake to balance the budget if we were actually a democracy, rather than having a lawmaking system constantly ground to a halt. It's impossible for anyone to get anything done because there are so many interests in congress, and so few of them are working for the nation at large. Rather, they work for their district, and hand out pork. They work for Rush Limbaugh, and hand out tax cuts.

please point out specifically these "PLENTY'' democracies

thank you.
 
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