Don't ask, don't tell

SR_ said:
Hello again,

Winterborn - To a certain extent you are correct. But there is little validation to the argument between race and sexual orientation in promoting a stable argument. Meaning, just because there was an argument that unit cohesion would be affected by introducing blacks into infantry units doesnt translate to addressing the concerns in dealing with homosexuality. Just like the same argument is made for women serving in combat units... They arent related other than to say that they shared or do share the same kind of concerns.

Thats not a valid reason to take any action since, its just a shared obstacle to the outcome you seek, but it really ends there , not really any demonstration or proof of a valid solution.

Im also not totally in agreement that the claims are similar in dealing with the necessity to "fix" the situation. Right now any homosexual who determines that the military is the life they want to lead... can do so.

SR
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I think there is a very similar issue. The difficulties experienced by having females in combat situations is different. But having homosexuals in the military, even in combat situations, create difficulties only because of unfounded fears by people who have no clue. The idea that gay men will make passes at their fellow soldiers is not something that need worry anyone. Sure it may happen on rare occasions. Make sexual contact within a unit illegal and prosecute those who disobey it. Just like it needs to be illegal to beat a gay soldier for being gay.

Once it is apparent that the homosexual is not a threat to the straight men, the issue will become a nonissue in no time.
 
maineman said:
I say again:

"there was not one iota of information in my post that pertained to you personally, and you know it."

you have claimed as much.
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Damocles said:
Your fixation is creepy. Just stop it and we'll be fine.
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Damocles said:
Your fixation is creepy. Just stop it and we'll be fine.
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I am not "fixated" on anyone. nothing I have posted since my return has revealed ANY personal information about that member. period.

the member in question, however, DID indeed post my name and my place of employment on another board and the result of that completely unethical revelation was an actual attempt to negatively impact my employment. THAT is a fact, and if you don't think that THAT IS creepy, then I question YOUR ability to impartially judge this situation.

that member has an obscenely high positive reputation on THIS board and, if REALLY posting personal and employment information which leads to real life attacks on one's livelihood are the sorts of behaviors that garner postive reputations here, perhaps you should consider revisting your reputation criteria.
 
WinterBorn said:
I think there is a very similar issue. The difficulties experienced by having females in combat situations is different. But having homosexuals in the military, even in combat situations, create difficulties only because of unfounded fears by people who have no clue. The idea that gay men will make passes at their fellow soldiers is not something that need worry anyone. Sure it may happen on rare occasions. Make sexual contact within a unit illegal and prosecute those who disobey it. Just like it needs to be illegal to beat a gay soldier for being gay.

Once it is apparent that the homosexual is not a threat to the straight men, the issue will become a nonissue in no time.
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precisely. gay men and women have served with valor and distinction for years... they should NOT have to hide their identity, or their relationships in order to continue serving.
 
Yurt said:
you're a liar, i did no such thing

and lol at your whining about rep

if you don't like it, leave the board you big baby
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it's really against your code of ethics to lie like that, isn't it?

you know full well that you revealed my name and my employer.... the fact that someone else may have informed you via PM is irrelevant. YOU posted that information on a public board and within days of your doing so, my employer got an email from an "ananymous" board member.

hmmmmm
 
maineman said:
I am not "fixated" on anyone. nothing I have posted since my return has revealed ANY personal information about that member. period.

the member in question, however, DID indeed post my name and my place of employment on another board and the result of that completely unethical revelation was an actual attempt to negatively impact my employment. THAT is a fact, and if you don't think that THAT IS creepy, then I question YOUR ability to impartially judge this situation.

that member has an obscenely high positive reputation on THIS board and, if REALLY posting personal and employment information which leads to real life attacks on one's livelihood are the sorts of behaviors that garner postive reputations here, perhaps you should consider revisting your reputation criteria.
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The reality is that here that member has never done this to anybody. I'm done arguing this. Just stop it. That is all.
 
maineman said:
it's really against your code of ethics to lie like that, isn't it?

you know full well that you revealed my name and my employer.... the fact that someone else may have informed you via PM is irrelevant. YOU posted that information on a public board and within days of your doing so, my employer got an email from an "ananymous" board member.

hmmmmm
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liar, i never did that, whereas you have been banned here for doing so and at two other boards....
 
maineman said:
in fact, you did. and, sadly, you know it.

pretty pathetic.
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not true and we all know it is actually you who have been banned at 3 boards for doing that which you falsely claim i have done...

you won't change, you will continue to lie, it is absolutely pointless to even discuss this with you. i know the truth and i really don't care about your lies.
 
Yurt said:
not true and we all know it is actually you who have been banned at 3 boards for doing that which you falsely claim i have done...

you won't change, you will continue to lie, it is absolutely pointless to even discuss this with you. i know the truth and i really don't care about your lies.
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it IS true, and your continued denial does not change that fact. YOU poted my name and where I worked. that is a fact.

and you yourself have argued that anything I may have said in this thread has nothing to do with you.

really... WHAT PERSONAL information about YOU, yurt, have I posted here?

nothing.
 
your fixation with me is creepy

too funny that you can't deny you've been banned at 3 boards for posting personal information and threatening my employment

time to move on
 
"I think there is a very similar issue. The difficulties experienced by having females in combat situations is different. But having homosexuals in the military, even in combat situations, create difficulties only because of unfounded fears by people who have no clue. The idea that gay men will make passes at their fellow soldiers is not something that need worry anyone. Sure it may happen on rare occasions. Make sexual contact within a unit illegal and prosecute those who disobey it. Just like it needs to be illegal to beat a gay soldier for being gay.

Once it is apparent that the homosexual is not a threat to the straight men, the issue will become a nonissue in no time."

Winterborn,

Ill be honest... everyone seems to fixate on the idea that fear of homosexual advances or attacks is the driving issue. Its not. I hate to break it to you but, theres not many combat soldiers or Marines who are scared of being raped or hit on if DADT is repealed.

In all reality the fear discussion is the most immature and non-related issue that exists, i dont mean to offend you... Most gay people and others that support the repeal of the policy are somehow under the impression that everyone is just afraid of them and thats what is standing in the way..

Its not. It isnt some fear that creates the difficulties.

SR
 
maineman said:
it IS true, and your continued denial does not change that fact. YOU poted my name and where I worked. that is a fact.

and you yourself have argued that anything I may have said in this thread has nothing to do with you.

really... WHAT PERSONAL information about YOU, yurt, have I posted here?

nothing.
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No, you just go around describing a picture you've seen of an office that you think belongs to an employer of a poster of this board. I don't want this board to get on the news because somebody decided to take it beyond too far into some arena of criminality.

And as I said I am done arguing the point. I will invoke the enforced ignore if I have to.
 
Yurt said:
your fixation with me is creepy

too funny that you can't deny you've been banned at 3 boards for posting personal information and threatening my employment

time to move on
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I am unaware of why I was banned at USMB... I was banned at DP for reasons having nothing to do with you... and my banning here was for saying things that, by your own admission, had nothing to do with you.

you, on the other hand, DID post my name and my employer's name on a public board and it resulted in a real life threat against my livelihood.

THAT is a fact, and all your slick talking will not change that.

time for YOU to grow up.
 
SR_ said:
"I think there is a very similar issue. The difficulties experienced by having females in combat situations is different. But having homosexuals in the military, even in combat situations, create difficulties only because of unfounded fears by people who have no clue. The idea that gay men will make passes at their fellow soldiers is not something that need worry anyone. Sure it may happen on rare occasions. Make sexual contact within a unit illegal and prosecute those who disobey it. Just like it needs to be illegal to beat a gay soldier for being gay.

Once it is apparent that the homosexual is not a threat to the straight men, the issue will become a nonissue in no time."

Winterborn,

Ill be honest... everyone seems to fixate on the idea that fear of homosexual advances or attacks is the driving issue. Its not. I hate to break it to you but, theres not many combat soldiers or Marines who are scared of being raped or hit on if DADT is repealed.

In all reality the fear discussion is the most immature and non-related issue that exists, i dont mean to offend you... Most gay people and others that support the repeal of the policy are somehow under the impression that everyone is just afraid of them and thats what is standing in the way..

Its not. It isnt some fear that creates the difficulties.

SR
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The reality is, marine, that there are myriad examples of exemplary military forces that prove these concerns to be false (Israel for example). The President should simply write an order then enforce it. At that point, it is your job to follow the orders.
 
Damocles said:
No, you just go around describing a picture you've seen of an office that you think belongs to an employer of a poster of this board. I don't want this board to get on the news because somebody decided to take it beyond too far into some arena of criminality.

And as I said I am done arguing the point. I will invoke the enforced ignore if I have to.
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the poster in question has denied working at any such office.... will you ban me for describing a lovely mansion on pennsylvania avenue in DC? What if I described a frank lloyd wright home on the shores of lake michigan? the member in question doesn't work at any of the places I may have alluded to... by his own admission... I have given out ZERO PERSONAL INFORMATION about anybody on this board.
 
maineman said:
the poster in question has denied working at any such office.... will you ban me for describing a lovely mansion on pennsylvania avenue in DC? What if I described a frank lloyd wright home on the shores of lake michigan? the member in question doesn't work at any of the places I may have alluded to... by his own admission... I have given out ZERO PERSONAL INFORMATION about anybody on this board.
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It would be even more of a tragedy that we made it into the news because they attacked somebody that wasn't their intended target. It doesn't make it better, not even close.
 
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