So, you just admit what I said is true....thanks...
Section 1981 U.S. Code... The Civil Rights act of 1866...
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So, you just admit what I said is true....thanks...
wanderingbear
Radical liberal
What history book were you reading from in school?
Minister of Truth
Practically Perfect
What the New Deal accomplished, chiefly, was reform. Agencies such as the SEC policing the stock market, and acts such as Glass-Steagal (repealed in 1999) which separated banking from financing, helped prevent serious mistakes from being made by individual consumers.
Te fact is, despite all of the programs that were designed to give people jobs (both bogus jobs like picking up trash off the street and useful jobs like building the Golden Gate Bridge or the Grand Coulee Dam), the unemployment problem never improved. The only thing that really gave anyone much hope at all was the soup lines, which came online before the New Deal.
The unemployment rate did not go down until after WWII, and the market never recovered until 1950, both long after the New Deal. WWII itself temporarily resolved the unemployment rate by placing 200,000 men under arms, but when they came back home, it took a couple of years to get them properly employed as the postwar boom began to fix everything.
Minister of Truth
Practically Perfect
And while there were soup lines. FDR screwed many people over in terms of relief, because his idiotic Keynesian policies to fix the economy consisted of forcing up prices on everything to "help businesses get back on their feet." He attempting to help farmers by paying them to dump their milk down the drain and plow under fields, instead of to give bread and milk to starving people.
SmarterthanYou
rebel
the new deal did nothing except prolong a depression and delay a recovery. The depression would have ended sooner and the recovery would have happened faster had FDR not forced deficit spending on a desperate citizenry.
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
What will you do with him now that you pwn him?
Taichiliberal
Shaken, not stirred!
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Let me point out the flaws in your statements:
1. The New Deal was NOT created for the sole purpose of "recruiting" anyone. The laws and programs enacted did not require "recruitment", as they were enacted through the Congress as an overall economic revamp for America. Bottom line: AMERICA benefitted from the New Deal's job programs and relief programs.
Go back and read ALL your words, genius.....you allude to welfare and gov't jobs being the same and use the word "recruiting" as if the New Deal was primarily to do such. That is NOT the case...I'm just preventing you from painting history in a hue that's different from reality.
Major civil rights headway didn't happen (desegregation, access to Social Security, anti-discrimination laws), but black folk did get a better shot at the relief programs available....something the Republicans weren't doing in their states, as the GOP was split on supporting the New Deal. This was the reason for the shift of the black vote at this time, especially in the North.
You're a liar....because your end shot was that black folk were "bought & paid for"...which as I pointed out wasn't the case. Seems you've got a problem with a political party that makes an effort to ensure ALL it's citizens get an equal shot. By your moronic mindset, giving someone civil rights or equal opportunity is "buying them". And if people use common sense and vote for the people that are doing right by them, then they are "bought and paid for" Typical subliminal bigotry from a neocon know nothing.
2. Truman's main contribution was the desegregation of the US military. Truman was no flaming liberal, but he was a patriot with the highest regard for the men and women in military service.
Given the bigoted slant of your absurd assertions, one has to make sure that true history is put forth in order to curtail any future blatherings from intellectually impotent individuals such as yourself. It's a comprehensive review of the topic....TFB if the truth bugs you.
This move coupled with a later act to end discrimination in Civil Service did give black folk reason to vote Democratic.
No, my intellectually sterile friend, you did not. You stated that black folk were "bought and paid for" by "welfare and gov't jobs..which are the same thing". That statement of yours is so ignorant on a multitude of levels, it's stunning.
Bottom line: The New Deal SAVED THIS COUNTRY'S ASS. And since blacks back then were less than10% of the population, the "welfare and gov't jobs" weren't just geared for black folk....but they were for the ENTIRE ECONOMIC INFRASTRUCTURE OF THE COUNTRY.
:palm: See above responses.....you are either unable or unwilling to comprehend the conclusions of what you write.
And what Truman did had NOTHING to do with welfare...period. Civil service fills in what private enterprise can't. Hell, the baby boomer generation was the biggest gov't subsidy in this country's history (the GI bill, bank loans for housing, etc.). Truman just made available to black citizens what was available to white citizens....and being that the blacks paid taxes just like the whites, that was a fare deal.
Bottom line: the GOP did NOT deliver these laws and programs to blacks, the Dems did. Money talks, bullshit walks.
Again, what you claimed was that blacks were "bought and paid for" and that "welfare and gov't jobs" are the same thing. As I previously, and again here explained, not only are those assertions wrong, but painfully ignorant of history and definitions of our system of gov't. Essentially, you spew forth all types of anti-gov't rhetoric with a demeaning and prejudicial attitude towards black folk...and then try to pass off your supposition, conjecture and slight revision of history as fact. You're pathetic....you took up the gauntlet for that intellectual coward Dixie, and all you did was display just what a bitter, proudly ignorant little man you are. Carry on.
Let me point out the flaws in your statements:
1. The New Deal was NOT created for the sole purpose of "recruiting" anyone. The laws and programs enacted did not require "recruitment", as they were enacted through the Congress as an overall economic revamp for America. Bottom line: AMERICA benefitted from the New Deal's job programs and relief programs.
Go back and read ALL your words, genius.....you allude to welfare and gov't jobs being the same and use the word "recruiting" as if the New Deal was primarily to do such. That is NOT the case...I'm just preventing you from painting history in a hue that's different from reality.
Major civil rights headway didn't happen (desegregation, access to Social Security, anti-discrimination laws), but black folk did get a better shot at the relief programs available....something the Republicans weren't doing in their states, as the GOP was split on supporting the New Deal. This was the reason for the shift of the black vote at this time, especially in the North.
You're a liar....because your end shot was that black folk were "bought & paid for"...which as I pointed out wasn't the case. Seems you've got a problem with a political party that makes an effort to ensure ALL it's citizens get an equal shot. By your moronic mindset, giving someone civil rights or equal opportunity is "buying them". And if people use common sense and vote for the people that are doing right by them, then they are "bought and paid for" Typical subliminal bigotry from a neocon know nothing.
2. Truman's main contribution was the desegregation of the US military. Truman was no flaming liberal, but he was a patriot with the highest regard for the men and women in military service.
Given the bigoted slant of your absurd assertions, one has to make sure that true history is put forth in order to curtail any future blatherings from intellectually impotent individuals such as yourself. It's a comprehensive review of the topic....TFB if the truth bugs you.
This move coupled with a later act to end discrimination in Civil Service did give black folk reason to vote Democratic.
No, my intellectually sterile friend, you did not. You stated that black folk were "bought and paid for" by "welfare and gov't jobs..which are the same thing". That statement of yours is so ignorant on a multitude of levels, it's stunning.
Bottom line: The New Deal SAVED THIS COUNTRY'S ASS. And since blacks back then were less than10% of the population, the "welfare and gov't jobs" weren't just geared for black folk....but they were for the ENTIRE ECONOMIC INFRASTRUCTURE OF THE COUNTRY.
:palm: See above responses.....you are either unable or unwilling to comprehend the conclusions of what you write.
And what Truman did had NOTHING to do with welfare...period. Civil service fills in what private enterprise can't. Hell, the baby boomer generation was the biggest gov't subsidy in this country's history (the GI bill, bank loans for housing, etc.). Truman just made available to black citizens what was available to white citizens....and being that the blacks paid taxes just like the whites, that was a fare deal.
Bottom line: the GOP did NOT deliver these laws and programs to blacks, the Dems did. Money talks, bullshit walks.
Again, what you claimed was that blacks were "bought and paid for" and that "welfare and gov't jobs" are the same thing. As I previously, and again here explained, not only are those assertions wrong, but painfully ignorant of history and definitions of our system of gov't. Essentially, you spew forth all types of anti-gov't rhetoric with a demeaning and prejudicial attitude towards black folk...and then try to pass off your supposition, conjecture and slight revision of history as fact. You're pathetic....you took up the gauntlet for that intellectual coward Dixie, and all you did was display just what a bitter, proudly ignorant little man you are. Carry on.
Taichiliberal
Shaken, not stirred!
Says the proven chicken hawk who's proud of his ignorance and bigotry. Yeah, you back everything he's says....so you share the same guilt. Enjoy kissing each other's ass, because neither of you can honestly debate worth a damn.
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DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
Taichiliberal
Shaken, not stirred!
"Proven chicken hawk", "bigotry"? Prove it, Libby.
Oh so you did volunteer to serve in military during a war when you were eligible? You don't support Dixie in his blatherings about the Confederate flag, blacks being complacent with slavery?
Yes or no will suffice, because it will determine the follow up posts.
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We'll try your reading comprehension again, just for fun because we already know its nonexistant....
Its only the section in blue that is relevant to your rant........
Following the Civil War and the enactment of the Fifteenth Amendment, Black’s initially aligned themselves with Republicans.
When given protection against antagonistic and often violent southern Democrats, voting Blacks displayed an overwhelming loyalty towards the party of Lincoln. Some estimates suggest that 90% of the southern Black population voted directly following the Civil War.
“ The Ku Klux Klan at the same time assassinated both Black and white Republican leaders during election campaigns, including legislators, convention delegates, and at least one congressman; meanwhile, in many places white mobs destroyed Republican newspapers, shot at election parades, and massacred Blacks indiscriminately.”
Despite southern opposition this partnership would last through the 19th century and well into the 20th before FDR would recruit a large percentage of the African American (as well as white) population into the Democratic Party through his New Deal legislation. Later, Truman would integrate the federal service, thus ingratiating an even greater number of African Americans to the Democratic Party.
Now research what the New Deal was and your answer is clear.....
To answer your question in two words...welfare and government jobs....(practically the same thing)
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DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
Don't you wish I would answer yes or no.
There wasn't a war when I graduated high school, Libby; does that make me and all the folks I graduated college with "chicken hawks"? I suspect you're just chiming in on Topspin's incessant chants, which frankly surprises me, as I thought you were more intelligent than that (perhaps I was giving you too much benefit of doubt).
I support Dixie's right to voice his opinions of the Confederate Battle Flag and am unaware of his specific views on same, although I suspect he's mainly interested in the history that it represents instead of the hate that you have for it. I do suppose some slaves were complacent with their lot in life just as most folks are complacent now, regardless of something as inconsequential as skin color.
