The Stimulus Worked

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Just a reminder:

Imagine if, one year ago, Congress had passed a stimulus bill that really worked.

Let’s say this bill had started spending money within a matter of weeks and had rapidly helped the economy. Let’s also imagine it was large enough to have had a huge impact on jobs — employing something like two million people who would otherwise be unemployed right now.

If that had happened, what would the economy look like today?

Well, it would look almost exactly as it does now. Because those nice descriptions of the stimulus that I just gave aren’t hypothetical. They are descriptions of the actual bill.

ust look at the outside evaluations of the stimulus. Perhaps the best-known economic research firms are IHS Global Insight, Macroeconomic Advisers and Moody’s Economy.com. They all estimate that the bill has added 1.6 million to 1.8 million jobs so far and that its ultimate impact will be roughly 2.5 million jobs. The Congressional Budget Office, an independent agency, considers these estimates to be conservative.

Yet I’m guessing you don’t think of the stimulus bill as a big success. You’ve read columns (by me, for example) complaining that it should have spent money more quickly. Or you’ve heard about the phantom ZIP code scandal: the fact that a government Web site mistakenly reported money being spent in nonexistent ZIP codes.

And many of the criticisms are valid. The program has had its flaws. But the attention they have received is wildly disproportionate to their importance. To hark back to another big government program, it’s almost as if the lasting image of the lunar space program was Apollo 6, an unmanned 1968 mission that had engine problems, and not Apollo 11, the moon landing.

The reasons for the stimulus’s middling popularity aren’t a mystery. The unemployment rate remains near 10 percent, and many families are struggling. Saying that things could have been even worse doesn’t exactly inspire. Liberals don’t like the stimulus because they wish it were bigger. Republicans don’t like it because it’s a Democratic program. The Obama administration hurt the bill’s popularity by making too rosy an economic forecast upon taking office.

Moreover, the introduction of the most visible parts of the program — spending on roads, buildings and the like — has been a bit sluggish. Aid to states, unemployment benefits and some tax provisions have been more successful and account for far more of the bill. But their successes are not obvious.

Even if the conventional wisdom is understandable, however, it has consequences. Because the economy is still a long way from being healthy, members of Congress are now debating another, smaller stimulus bill. (They’re calling it a “jobs bill,” seeing stimulus as a dirty word.) The logical thing to do would be to examine what worked and what didn’t in last year’s bill.

But that’s not what is happening. Instead, the debate is largely disconnected from the huge stimulus experiment we just ran. Why? As Senator Scott Brown of Massachusetts, the newest member of Congress, said, in a nice summary of the misperceptions, the stimulus might have saved some jobs, but it “didn’t create one new job.”


Read the whole thing here:


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/17/business/economy/17leonhardt.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss
 
The stimulus worked but not nearly as planned, was it too expensive per job. History will tell. I think the next few quarters may make it look even better after the over 5%
Q4.
 
The admin has lost the propoganda war to the TEA party.

Meanwhile, the economy is righting itself, and the stimulus has been a factor in that. I didn't realize that people would expect 4% unemployment and 3.5% growth within a year....
 
only a small percent has been spent, not even 15% and even less on economic growth, last i read....from sept 09

yet it worked :rolleyes:

in fact it has worked so well, according to the article:

Because the economy is still a long way from being healthy, members of Congress are now debating another, smaller stimulus bill.

we need another one, despite very little of this one having been spent

nigel = fail
 
Good old, Yurtle. You can lead a horse to water . . .

poor old smigel, ignoring that the economy still sucks and that liberals still think we need another stimulus because the economy still sucks....yet you claim this stimulus, which has barely been spent, "worked"

i love hacks like you, that make me have a good laugh :clink:
 
poor old smigel, ignoring that the economy still sucks and that liberals still think we need another stimulus because the economy still sucks....yet you claim this stimulus, which has barely been spent, "worked"

i love hacks like you, that make me have a good laugh :clink:


Tell me, friend, why is it that you think that (1) "the stimulus worked" and (2) "the economy still sucks" cannot both be true statements? What is your reasoning behind that? Why must it be one or the other?


Edit: And the correct spelling is Smeagol.
 
I am sick of Democrats constantly loosing the propaganda war.

Why are the Cons so good at it?
 
Yep; he skipped right over the CBO calling the healthy job creation estimates conservative.

And he usually loves the CBO....

i don't always like the cbo

tell me onceler, how much has been spent so far and where has the money gone? from what i have read, the majority (billions) has gone to SS infrastructure upgrades and other government upgrades, not exactly stimulating the economy there bucko....

if this stimulus "worked"....why do we another one when barely any has been spent from this one?
 
Tell me, friend, why is it that you think that (1) "the stimulus worked" and (2) "the economy still sucks" cannot both be true statements? What is your reasoning behind that? Why must it be one or the other?

:palm:

if you can't figure out that out and couple that with the fact that barely any money has been spent from this stimulus, you're more of a hack than i thought....

if it worked, we shouldn't need another one....needing another obviously means it did not work
 
I keep hearing half spent in 09, though I have no link and am not claiming to be an expert.
I do know Obama project the stimulus would get unemployment down much more by year end 09 than it did.
 
poor old smigel, ignoring that the economy still sucks and that liberals still think we need another stimulus because the economy still sucks....yet you claim this stimulus, which has barely been spent, "worked"

i love hacks like you, that make me have a good laugh :clink:

It's funny how you cherrypick; just like the MM thread. Your Obama derangement is severe.

You ignored the entire article except for that one part. And I don't recall anyone ever saying that we'd have a healthy, humming economy in a year - in fact, Obama was pretty clear about what it would take to get out of the mess we were in. He always said it took a long time to create, and would take a long time to get out of.

But you can't argue the job creation or other stats, so you do your usual thing - take a cherrypicked snippet of an article, and think that it "proves" something.

Get over your hate. It isn't healthy.
 
:palm:

if you can't figure out that out and couple that with the fact that barely any money has been spent from this stimulus, you're more of a hack than i thought....

if it worked, we shouldn't need another one....needing another obviously means it did not work


So you have no real answer and instead resort to this type of argument by assertion? Nice work, counselor!
 
Sure it worked... had President Obama not done it the Republicans would be all over him for it!
 
It's funny how you cherrypick; just like the MM thread. Your Obama derangement is severe.

You ignored the entire article except for that one part. And I don't recall anyone ever saying that we'd have a healthy, humming economy in a year - in fact, Obama was pretty clear about what it would take to get out of the mess we were in. He always said it took a long time to create, and would take a long time to get out of.

But you can't argue the job creation or other stats, so you do your usual thing - take a cherrypicked snippet of an article, and think that it "proves" something.

Get over your hate. It isn't healthy.

LOOL....i did not even mention obama, you brought him up here

i didn't ignore the entire article, i read it....oh boy, lets focus on all the rosy bullshit, but ignore the fact that the economy still sucks and we need another stimulus

i think the job creation stats are bullshit, unemployment has increased, yet somehow jobs have been "created"....

i notice you can't answer my questions:

tell me onceler, how much has been spent so far and where has the money gone? from what i have read, the majority (billions) has gone to SS infrastructure upgrades and other government upgrades, not exactly stimulating the economy there bucko....

if this stimulus "worked"....why do we another one when barely any has been spent from this one?

i'll wait
 

I would agree that the stimulus money helped to save jobs that otherwise would have been lost.... especially in the public sector.

That said, to date about $117 billion (going from memory) has left government hands of the $797b. I cannot see any reason as to why they did not put more money to work right away. Every state has shovel ready jobs. Every state is facing major infrastructure failures. Every state needs to expand its broadband technologies, rebuild bridges, pave roads, repair levees/dams etc....

All of the above are jobs that people could be IN... RIGHT NOW... but instead, they are still trickling out the money.

While I think the stimulus was needed, I think the manner in which it has been released gets a 'D' at best. This is an election year, so maybe NOW they will actually focus on the jobs aspect. Because no matter how many jobs were 'saved'.... over 7 million were LOST. Unemployment is not at 9.7% (higher if you include those who have given up due to the tight labor market).

If the leadership in DC does not improve this by November, 1994 will seem like a pleasant little tea party compared to what the Dems will face in this years mid terms.

If they keep harping on how Obama 'inherited' these deficits from Bush, sooner or later someone will point out the fact that the DEMS controlled both Houses of Congress since 2007. That someone may also point out that Glass Steagall was removed with an insane majority in both Houses. These deficits were the work of BOTH parties. So that pathetic excuse is not going to work any more.
 
So you have no real answer and instead resort to this type of argument by assertion? Nice work, counselor!

what does counselor have to do with anything? i am not your therapist, so why you call me counselor is beyond me....

i answered you. you can't address why we need another one if the stimulus worked....you have no real answer....

if you can answer that, show us, else admit you have nothing
 
Biden Defends Stimulus, Blasts 'Dysfunctional' Congress
Published: Wednesday, 17 Feb 2010 * 7:46 AM ET Text Size By: AP
Vice President Joe Biden asserted in an interview Wednesday that taxpayers have "gotten their money's worth" out of the $787 billion stimulus program that Congress passed during the depths of the recession.
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Vice President Joseph Biden
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In an interview broadcast on CBS's "The Early Show," Biden defended the program against accusations by Republicans critics that it hasn't been the job-manufacturing machine the administration promised to the American people.

He argued that money invested in both private and public-sector initiatives has saved as many as 2 million jobs, and said, "I don't think they realize it." Biden said the program, now a year old, was designed to be implemented in two stages, saying "we've only been halfway through the act."

Christina Romer, who heads the White House Council of Economic Advisers, said in a separate interview that one component of the stimulus program had worked especially well. "State fiscal relief really has kept hundreds of thousands of teachers and firefighters and first responders on the job," she said.

"We have seen productivity surge," Romer said. "And that, at one level, is a good sign out the economy. But absolutely, we've got to translate GDP growth into employment growth. Right now, the employment numbers look basically stable. We think we're going to see positive job growth by spring."


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Biden also said the administration understands why people are angry about chronically high unemployment, which now stands at 9.7 percent of the labor force. "We get it," he said.

"Look, we are in good shape compared to Congress," he said of the political pinch the administration has felt in recent weeks. "No one in Washington's in good shape."

Biden said the atmosphere of high anxiety across the country "reflects the reality that Washington right now is broken."

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I called it a year ago, they would hold a lot of the spending till 2010 to boost the economy near the 2012 re-election. I think Obama put reelection before jobs in 2009.
 
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