Rep Ryan kicked some serious ass

Jarod said:
I think the people want it.

I dont belive that a bill that has passed both houses of congress and was signed into law by an elected president is being SHOUVED down the people's thorats.
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People do not want it. That's just stupid. Seriously.

People want reform, but not THIS BILL. This bill is not the end-all, be-all of all reform and no other thing could possibly ever reform anything ever again.

Seriously.

I'll say it slow, so you and the rest of the democrats can understand.

POLL. AFTER. POLL. AFTER. POLL. HAS. SHOWN. THAT. PEOPLE. HATE. THIS. BILL. MORE. EACH. TIME. THE. DEMOCRATS. TRY. AGAIN. TO. EXPLAIN. HOW. GOOD. IT. WILL. BE. FOR. THEM.

They hate this bill, this bill is hated.

I hope you get it. A new bill is the only viable option.
 
NigelTufnel said:
It was a typo. I watched at the 1:37 mark. He seems to be defending the status quo of state level regulation, keeping the federal government from setting minimum insurance standards. That is what we have today.

Are you saying that Rep. Ryan wants to allow insurers to "sell across state lines?" If so, then what he is proposing is not to allow the states to have a say in what insurance is sold within their borders (which I thought he was saying at the 1:37 mark) but to allow a single state to set national standards.

The Democrats have rejected this for good reason (as I have explained) while allowing for some flexibility for "across state lines" insurance by allowing states to establish compacts where any insurer in any state within the compact can sell to any customer in any state within the compact. That's the compromise. What's the problem with the compromise.
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Dude I'm saying what I said before:

Southern Man said:
Actually one of the first things that Ryan proposed was to stop the feds from the current practice of not letting insurance companies insure to groups that cross state lines. Why would Democrats be against that?
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Again, that ain't the same thing as you assert.

Gawd you are a hack.
 
Damocles said:
People do not want it. That's just stupid. Seriously.

People want reform, but not THIS BILL. This bill is not the end-all, be-all of all reform and no other thing could possibly ever reform anything ever again.

Seriously.

I'll say it slow, so you and the rest of the democrats can understand.

POLL. AFTER. POLL. AFTER. POLL. HAS. SHOWN. THAT. PEOPLE. HATE. THIS. BILL. MORE. EACH. TIME. THE. DEMOCRATS. TRY. AGAIN. TO. EXPLAIN. HOW. GOOD. IT. WILL. BE. FOR. THEM.

They hate this bill, this bill is hated.

I hope you get it. A new bill is the only viable option.
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They only hate this bill because they dont know it. The Republicans won the marketing war.

As you have argued polls dont tell us much, and we should not govern based on them!
 
Southern Man said:
Dude I'm saying what I said before:



Again, that ain't the same thing as you assert.

Gawd you are a hack.
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I guess I just don't quite understand what you mean by "the current practice of not letting insurance companies insure to groups that cross state lines."

What people typically mean when they talk about that is the fact that current law leaves insurance regulation up to each individual state and that insurers have to be licensed to sell insurance in a state if they want to sell to consumers there. Republicans have proposed using the federal government to override the individual state law and to allow insurers to sell insurance to consumers in any state regardless of state level regulatory requirements. Is this not what you are talking about?
 
Jarod said:
They only hate this bill because they dont know it. The Republicans won the marketing war.

As you have argued polls dont tell us much, and we should not govern based on them!
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Dude, they've had it explained to them by democrats for 1 year and 2 months, ads on TV, two joint sessions of Congress, one especially only for this bill, the President speaking directly about it, both leaders speaking it up, they had town hall meetings where they got to explain it again, most of which after the first few they actually excluded much of the public. They've had the MSM outlets and MSNBC....

Each time the Ds get out and start talking up the bill people HATE IT MORE.

It isn't that they don't know the bill, it is that they HATE THIS BILL.
 
Damocles said:
Dude, they've had it explained to them by democrats for 1 year and 2 months, ads on TV, two joint sessions of Congress, one especially only for this bill, the President speaking directly about it, both leaders speaking it up, they had town hall meetings where they got to explain it again, most of which after the first few they actually excluded much of the public. They've had the MSM outlets and MSNBC....

Each time the Ds get out and start talking up the bill people HATE IT MORE.

It isn't that they don't know the bill, it is that they HATE THIS BILL.
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Thats becaue more than half still belive Palin's DEATH PANNEL LIES!
 
Jarod said:
Thats becaue more than half still belive Palin's DEATH PANNEL LIES!
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Rubbish, that's the excuse you have for a supermajority not being able to pass this trash. People hate it because it is a bad bill that doesn't even do what it was supposed to be designed for, according to the CBO, 5% of Americans will still be uncovered in 2020. That's 2020, not 2013. Still uncovered.

The bill stinks, and a new one is the correct way forward.

My advice, slow it down, pass it in multiple bills, work together, do it openly so people won't turn against you. You can get reform passed, but this one is a mistake.
 
Damocles said:
Rubbish, that's the excuse you have for a supermajority not being able to pass this trash. People hate it because it is a bad bill that doesn't even do what it was supposed to be designed for, according to the CBO, 5% of Americans will still be uncovered in 2020. That's 2020, not 2013. Still uncovered.

The bill stinks, and a new one is the correct way forward.

My advice, slow it down, pass it in multiple bills, work together, do it openly so people won't turn against you. You can get reform passed, but this one is a mistake.
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I am always for a better bill, but this one is better than none... None is really what the R's want, at least not until after November of 10'.
 
Jarod said:
I am always for a better bill, but this one is better than none... None is really what the R's want, at least not until after November of 10'.
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:rolleyes:

They've made more headway on the House and Senate than they ever thought they would because of the heavy hand of the "we won so shut up" crowd.
 
Jarod said:
So its all politics...
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No. Saying dumb things like, "Republicans don't want anything." is "just politics".

The Ds have lost any credibility as the "party of the people" by simply rejecting to listen to any of them and allowed the Rs headway.

The Rs are simply asking for, repeatedly, what the constituency asks for.

Start over, get it right, make sure we have the best.
 
Jarod said:
I am always for a better bill, but this one is better than none... None is really what the R's want, at least not until after November of 10'.
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Why are the Liberal Left so afraid of actually passing a bill, that the PUBLIC (read VOTERS) actually agree on; instead of trying to tell the PUBLIC what's best for them??
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
Why are the Liberal Left so afraid of actually passing a bill, that the PUBLIC (read VOTERS) actually agree on; instead of trying to tell the PUBLIC what's best for them??
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Because they are working hard at killing any notion that they are the "party of the people"...
 
Damocles said:
People do not want it. That's just stupid. Seriously.

People want reform, but not THIS BILL. This bill is not the end-all, be-all of all reform and no other thing could possibly ever reform anything ever again.

Seriously.

I'll say it slow, so you and the rest of the democrats can understand.

POLL. AFTER. POLL. AFTER. POLL. HAS. SHOWN. THAT. PEOPLE. HATE. THIS. BILL. MORE. EACH. TIME. THE. DEMOCRATS. TRY. AGAIN. TO. EXPLAIN. HOW. GOOD. IT. WILL. BE. FOR. THEM.

They hate this bill, this bill is hated.

I hope you get it. A new bill is the only viable option.
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COULD. YOU. POSSIBLY. BE. A. BIGGER. DOUCHE.

DIDN'T. THINK. SO.
 
NigelTufnel said:
I guess I just don't quite understand what you mean by "the current practice of not letting insurance companies insure to groups that cross state lines."

What people typically mean when they talk about that is the fact that current law leaves insurance regulation up to each individual state and that insurers have to be licensed to sell insurance in a state if they want to sell to consumers there. Republicans have proposed using the federal government to override the individual state law and to allow insurers to sell insurance to consumers in any state regardless of state level regulatory requirements. Is this not what you are talking about?
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You can review Ryan's website for specifics. I'm more interested in your insistence that he has no plan; that Republicans are simply the "party of no" and have no ideas and all that bullshit.:)
 
Southern Man said:
You can review Ryan's website for specifics. I'm more interested in your insistence that he has no plan; that Republicans are simply the "party of no" and have no ideas and all that bullshit.:)
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In other words, you have no response to me regarding the "across state lines" point.
 
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