DamnYankee
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In other words, its OK to cheat, lie, trash the Constitution and break promises, as long as the liberal agenda goes through.
You are getting healthcare dammit!
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SmarterthanYou
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In other words, its OK to cheat, lie, trash the Constitution and break promises, as long as the liberal agenda goes through.
even more proof that republicans and democrats have no respect for the constitution.
In other words, its OK to cheat, lie, trash the Constitution and break promises, as long as the liberal agenda goes through.
No, I clearly do not see it as being a Constitutional issue, this is about the rules of Parlementary Procedure, no where does the Constitution say anything about 60 vote majorities being required to pass legislation.
I dont like how legislation gets passed or how Congress works, that does not mean I cant sometimes like the result.
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
First of all the Constitution doesn't allow this legislation since its not enumerated in Article I Section 8. Secondly, the Senate rules allow 41 senators to block legislation by filibuster.
Senate Rules are not a Constitutional Issue, and I belive that Health Care falls under federal authority.
SmarterthanYou
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how so?
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
Where is it authorized in the Constitution?
Dixie - In Memoriam
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Please show me where that applies to the individual and not the states?
Dixie - In Memoriam
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Right... of the STATES, not of the individual!
SmarterthanYou
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i understand that the warp in your mentality makes you prone to thinking congress can do anything it damn well pleases, but how do you square the 'general welfare' portion as letting congress touch anything it wants to with the framers intent on a limited government?
Dixie - In Memoriam
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Well this bill is not, because it has nothing to do with the states, it mandates measures and provides benefits for the individual. The Federal government has no such authority under the Constitution, that is reserved to the States and the People.
The General Welfare and Commerce clause, apply to Federal interaction with the States, not the Individual. We are not discussing whether States should have health insurance or health care, because they all have those available. The topic is Individual welfare, not General, and the Federal government has absolutely NO Constitutional authority to intervene, much less an obligation to do so!
The bill regulates the health insurance industry. Such industry being engaged in interstate commerce, the bill is well within the bounds of congressional power.
SmarterthanYou
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mandating that a individual purchase a product from a company is regulating interstate commerce? and how does it fall within interstate commerce if i'm not allowed to buy insurance across state lines?
Dixie - In Memoriam
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The Federal Government does not have the authority to regulate State Health Insurance industries, which are not engaged in interstate commerce at this time, (BTW-that is a provision many Conservatives like myself, wish were the case, and want to include in real health care reform.)
Congressional assumption of power has absolutely NOTHING to do with Constitutionality... should we cite the examples through history again? Go READ The Constitution... The FEDERAL government is given very LIMITED powers! WE hire the Federal Government, to sort of make sure all of our States are practicing the same laws in common uniform interests of our rights. They work for US, the PEOPLE, more specifically, they work for our STATE! WEEEEEE retain the power!
To answer your first question, they don't mandate that you purchase insurance/ They just provide a tax incentive for you to do so and a tax penalty if you don't. Such tax incentives and penalties are constitutional.
To answer your second question, virtually all health insurance companies (if not all) offer insurance in more than one state and are without question engaged in interstate commerce.
SmarterthanYou
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so using the logic from your two answers, congress really can touch anyones lives in any respect, even though their powers were supposed to be limited in nature at the time of this nations founding. is that what you're saying?