Trump crashes the economy

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US business activity stalling, consumers' inflation expectations surge​

  • Business activity index falls to 17-month low in February
  • Manufacturing prices paid measure highest since late 2022
  • Consumers' one-year inflation expectations at 15-month high
  • Long-term inflation expectations highest since 1995
WASHINGTON, Feb 21 (Reuters) - U.S. business activity nearly stalled in February amid mounting fears over tariffs on imports and deep cuts in federal government spending, erasing all the gains notched in the aftermath of President Donald Trump's election victory.

The tumble in activity to a 17-month low reported by S&P Global on Friday was the latest in a string of surveys to suggest that businesses and consumers were becoming increasingly rattled by the Trump administration's policies.

 
As of February 22, 2025, there isn’t conclusive evidence that Donald Trump has "crashed" the economy during his current term, which began on January 20, 2025.

The U.S. economy is a complex system influenced by many factors, and attributing its state to a single individual or policy in just over a month is challenging. However, I can break down the current sentiment, data, and context based on available information.

Economic indicators since Trump took office show mixed signals.

The Dow Jones Industrial Average did drop significantly on February 20, 2025, by about 900 points, marking its worst day since August 2024. This followed Trump's announcement of a 25% tariff on imports from Canada and Mexico, effective February 4, 2025, and an additional 10% tariff on Chinese goods.

Retail sales data for January 2025 also came in weaker than expected, and consumer sentiment, as measured by the University of Michigan’s index, has reportedly declined, reflecting unease about these policies.

Some blame Trump for recent market dips and predict doom, while others dismiss these as short-term fluctuations or inherited issues. Without longer-term data, it’s premature to say he’s "crashed" the economy. The situation is fluid—tariffs are just starting to bite, and their full effects, plus any retaliation from trading partners, will take time to unfold. Keep an eye on upcoming jobs reports, GDP figures, and inflation rates for a clearer picture. For now, the economy’s humming along, but with some new turbulence.


@Grok
 

US business activity stalling, consumers' inflation expectations surge​

  • Business activity index falls to 17-month low in February
  • Manufacturing prices paid measure highest since late 2022
  • Consumers' one-year inflation expectations at 15-month high
  • Long-term inflation expectations highest since 1995
WASHINGTON, Feb 21 (Reuters) - U.S. business activity nearly stalled in February amid mounting fears over tariffs on imports and deep cuts in federal government spending, erasing all the gains notched in the aftermath of President Donald Trump's election victory.

The tumble in activity to a 17-month low reported by S&P Global on Friday was the latest in a string of surveys to suggest that businesses and consumers were becoming increasingly rattled by the Trump administration's policies.

trump is a moron. His impotence makes him more aggressive on the world stage because he's obviously compensating. So he screeches about tariffs in an attempt to get other nations to bend a knee. Some do, but many just troll the moron.

But...the business community does not find his games funny. They were all looking forward to lower interest rates this year, and trump is hindering that. They really don't know what the fuck this moron and his autistic Mini Me will do next, so they cannot really plan for the near future.

The only thing that they know for sure is that thousands of Federal workers will be unemployed. Thousands of farmers will not be able to find labor. trump finds this funny, but the business community does not.

They get what they deserve. In their lust for more tax cuts, they worked to get this moron in the White House.

Let them all go under.
 
trump is a moron. His impotence makes him more aggressive on the world stage because he's obviously compensating. So he screeches about tariffs in an attempt to get other nations to bend a knee. Some do, but many just troll the moron.

But...the business community does not find his games funny. They were all looking forward to lower interest rates this year, and trump is hindering that. They really don't know what the fuck this moron and his autistic Mini Me will do next, so they cannot really plan for the near future.

The only thing that they know for sure is that thousands of Federal workers will be unemployed. Thousands of farmers will not be able to find labor. trump finds this funny, but the business community does not.

They get what they deserve. In their lust for more tax cuts, they worked to get this moron in the White House.

Let them all go under.
Trump creates chaos and disorganization, and anyone who didn't see that coming must have been in a coma from Jan. 2017 to Jan. 2021
 
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Oh, you like a healthy economy and a competent leader like we had under biden. LOL!

16 million jobs added, and we had a bull market that broke records.

The market is down over 1,000 over the past week+, inflation is up, and consumer confidence is down.

Democrats are always better for the economy. Consistently.
 
16 million jobs added, and we had a bull market that broke records.

The market is down over 1,000 over the past week+, inflation is up, and consumer confidence is down.

Democrats are always better for the economy. Consistently.
Oh my GOD, here we go again where another lefty cites those 16 million jobs added as being a biden accomplishment. Those 16 million
jobs were those jobs lost by COVID and by biden's closing down of businesses all across America. Inflation hit an all time high around
9.4% or so under biden's term in office. The American people overwhelmingly voted for Trump because of our decomposing economy under biden.
 
16 million jobs added, and we had a bull market that broke records. The market is down over 1,000 over the past week+, inflation is up, and consumer confidence is down. Democrats are always better for the economy. Consistently.


No, Democrats aren’t always better for the economy, it’s not a universal rule.

Economic performance under any party depends on a messy mix of policy choices, global conditions, and timing, not just ideology.

Data and history show both parties have had hits and misses, and the "better" label shifts depending on what metric you prioritize: GDP growth, stock markets, unemployment, or inequality.

Look at GDP growth. From 1961 to 2023, Democratic presidents averaged 3.88% annual real GDP growth, while Republicans averaged 2.49%, per Bureau of Economic Analysis data. Under Democrats like Clinton (3.9% average) and Obama (1.6% post-recession), growth often outpaced Republican terms like Bush Jr. (1.7%) or Trump’s first term (1.2% pre-COVID). But context matters: Clinton inherited a recovery, Obama dug out of the 2008 crash, and Trump faced a pandemic. Republicans argue their policies—like tax cuts—set long-term foundations, even if growth lags in their term. Kennedy-Johnson (5.2%) and Reagan (3.5%) both juiced growth with stimulus and deregulation, showing party lines blur when pragmatism kicks in.

Stock markets? S&P 500 returns since 1928 favor Democrats (11.3% annualized vs. 6.8% for Republicans), per Goldman Sachs data through 2022.

Clinton’s tech boom and Obama’s recovery saw big gains; Trump’s pre-COVID market soared too (15% annualized), but Biden’s term through 2023 beat it slightly (16%).

Yet markets often ride waves started before a president sits—Reagan’s bull run began under Carter’s pain. Causation’s tricky.

Unemployment? Democrats often inherit messes and improve them—Clinton dropped it from 7.3% to 4%, Obama from 9.9% to 4.7%. Republicans like Reagan (10.8% to 5.4%) and Trump (4.7% to 3.5% pre-COVID) have their wins too.

But recessions don’t care about party—Nixon, Carter, and Bush Sr. all got burned by oil shocks or bubbles.

Inequality’s a Democratic talking point, yet it grew under Clinton (NAFTA, deregulation) and Obama (post-2008 recovery favored the rich). Republican tax cuts—Reagan, Bush Jr., Trump—also widened gaps. Neither side’s cracked that nut consistently.

Policy specifics beat party dogma.

Democrats lean toward spending (infrastructure, social programs), which can boost demand short-term but risks inflation; see Biden’s $1.9T stimulus in 2021 spiking prices.

Republicans push tax cuts and deregulation, aiming for business-led growth, but benefits often skew upward; Trump’s 2017 tax law added $1.5T to deficits without the promised wage boom.

Global shocks (wars, pandemics) and Fed moves often dwarf either’s plans.

Partisan posts scream bias: “Dems save jobs!” or “GOP builds wealth!” Truth is, no party owns prosperity. Since 2000, we’ve had three recessions, two under Republicans (2008, 2020), one straddling Biden (inflation slowdown).

As of February 22, 2025, Trump’s back, tariffs are rattling markets, and Democrats claim he’s tanking things.

Too early to call. History says it’s a coin toss. Check the data in six months.


@Grok
 
Oh my GOD, here we go again where another lefty cites those 16 million jobs added as being a biden accomplishment. Those 16 million
jobs were those jobs lost by COVID and by biden's closing down of businesses all across America. Inflation hit an all time high around
9.4% or so under biden's term in office. The American people overwhelmingly voted for Trump because of our decomposing economy under biden.

Trump was statistically the worst jobs President in modern American history.
 
Trump was statistically the worst jobs President in modern American history.

Statistically, Trump was indeed the worst jobs president in modern American history, defined as the post-World War II era, based on the net loss of 2.9 million jobs—the only negative figure among presidents since 1945. This assessment holds purely on the numbers, though the pandemic’s role introduces a unique caveat not faced by his peers.

@Grok
 
Those 16 million
jobs were those jobs lost by COVID
When Trump left office in January 2021, he had lost three million jobs. That means the other 13 million were due to Biden in addition to the three million job loses attributable toTrump and recovered by Biden
and by biden's closing down of businesses all across America.
Biden was a private citizen during the height of the pandemic.
 
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