Diseases eradicated or decimated by science

Teflon Don said:
It isn't what you don't know that makes you ignorant. It is what you think you know that is wrong. You have literally contradicted yourself in this post and agreed with me.

First of all I never said there is "no benefit to vaccines". Nowhere have I ever made that claim. What I said was that COVID and Flu are not vaccines in the truest sense and are pretty much worthless.

You just stated that despite getting the vaccines, you still got sick, but your cognitive dissonance kicked in and instead of admitting that the don't work at preventing disease, you falsely claim with no proof that without the vaccine you or your wife would have been hospitalized.

There are real vaccines that have true benefit and there are those that are a complete waste and you are doing nothing but putting money in Big Pharma's pockets.

But, I know you will continue to misrepresent what I am saying because that is what leftists always do when confronted with facts.
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You're waffling. Interesting.

As for your perception of contradiction, you obviously couldn't understsand the CDC reference or the fact that vaccines are not perfect, but that they do offer protection.

No worries. I know a lonely old geezer like you doesn't get out much.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
You're trying to convince a person who claims he's never been sick and never been vaccinated. The best way for that to be true is for him to live in a sterile environment, such as a retirement mental facility.
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Again, like the good leftist that you are you resort to absurd claims that I never made. I never said I have never been sick. However, I get sick very infrequently. Maybe it is good genes. I didn't say I was never vaccinated. I have received plenty of vaccinations.

What I did say is that I never received the COVID shot and while there were times I did get the flu shot, I no longer do because there is no benefit. How you got to "he has never been vaccinated" is anyones guess. You lefties are an odd lot
 
Dutch Uncle said:
You're waffling. Interesting.

As for your perception of contradiction, you obviously couldn't understsand the CDC reference or the fact that vaccines are not perfect, but that they do offer protection.

No worries. I know a lonely old geezer like you doesn't get out much.
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Any sentient being will see that I am no waffling. You made this statement

"People who are vaccinated have little to worry about from preventable infectious diseases."

I merely pointed out that these shots are not perfect by any stretch and people do still get sick. You then came back and offered anecdotes of you and your wife both having these shots yet still getting sick which corroborates what I said, yet you think I am the one waffling.

You leftists are an odd bunch
 
Teflon Don said:
Again, like the good leftist that you are you resort to absurd claims that I never made. I never said I have never been sick. However, I get sick very infrequently. Maybe it is good genes. I didn't say I was never vaccinated. I have received plenty of vaccinations.

What I did say is that I never received the COVID shot and while there were times I did get the flu shot, I no longer do because there is no benefit. How you got to "he has never been vaccinated" is anyones guess. You lefties are an odd lot
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It's called deductive reasoning, Donnie. Obviously you never saw a Sherlock Holmes movie. LOL

Why would you get vaccines for something you believe doesn't work? Now who is contradicting themselves, Donnie?

You believe all vaccines work except COVID and flu? Fascinating. Please tell me more.
 
Walt said:
There was no open border, so your whole conspiracy theory is based on delusion.

There is a near open border for drugs right now, but drugs usually do not carry contagious diseases.

As for asylum seekers, they are required to do the government demands as far as vaccinations. And most came from countries with 99% vaccination rates, as compared to the less than 90% vaccination rates in Texas.
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Okay, I'll play your game.

You don't think a few of the millions of "asylum seekers" who came in when he opened the border were infected?
 
Dutch Uncle said:
It's called deductive reasoning, Donnie. Obviously you never saw a Sherlock Holmes movie. LOL

Why would you get vaccines for something you believe doesn't work? Now who is contradicting themselves, Donnie?

You believe all vaccines work except COVID and flu? Fascinating. Please tell me more.
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So you think you are Sherlock Holmes now? Your deductive reasoning is "I never got a COVID shot and no longer take a Flu shot" therefore I have never been vaccinated against anything? That is your so called deductive reasoning? It isn't very good is it?

You second question is based on false assumption. There are many vaccines that work very well, like shingles, pneumonia. Also, it isn't about whether it "works" but whether there is a risk/reward benefit. For shingles and pneumonia I believe the reward outweighs the risk.

Shots for viruses? Not so much.

Chicken pox vaccine? Don't see the benefit. Does it work? Sure, but you get better immunity by getting the chicken pox. Given that in the overwhelming majority of people it is a self limiting disease with no long lasting sequelae, I don't see the benefit of it. Additionally, I don't see the need to give every newborn the Hep B series. Outside of a drug addict mother, most kids will not be exposed to Hep B in their lives. But, boy those pharma companies make a lotto money jamming it into little kids don't they?

So, this is a much more nuanced argument than you are capable of handling. It isn't as simple as all vaccines good or all vaccines bad. It is about individual choice, risk/reward etc.

But, I am sure that like a good leftist you will try to twist what I said to suit your marxist ideology.
 
Im wearing a mask, again in some places.
I also won’t be flying for awhile.
I just don’t trust the current administration.

There is now a new virus that’s killing people in 3 days.

Measles is increasing.

And Sec. Brain Worm is in charge and USAID funds have not been restored in spite of what Pres. Musk is saying.

Making America great again!
 
Teflon Don said:
So you think you are Sherlock Holmes now? Your deductive reasoning is "I never got a COVID shot and no longer take a Flu shot" therefore I have never been vaccinated against anything? That is your so called deductive reasoning? It isn't very good is it?

You second question is based on false assumption. There are many vaccines that work very well, like shingles, pneumonia. Also, it isn't about whether it "works" but whether there is a risk/reward benefit. For shingles and pneumonia I believe the reward outweighs the risk.

Shots for viruses? Not so much.

Chicken pox vaccine? Don't see the benefit. Does it work? Sure, but you get better immunity by getting the chicken pox. Given that in the overwhelming majority of people it is a self limiting disease with no long lasting sequelae, I don't see the benefit of it. Additionally, I don't see the need to give every newborn the Hep B series. Outside of a drug addict mother, most kids will not be exposed to Hep B in their lives. But, boy those pharma companies make a lotto money jamming it into little kids don't they?

So, this is a much more nuanced argument than you are capable of handling. It isn't as simple as all vaccines good or all vaccines bad. It is about individual choice, risk/reward etc.

But, I am sure that like a good leftist you will try to twist what I said to suit your marxist ideology.
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Wow. You think only Sherlock Holmes can use deductive reasoning? Fascinating, Donnie. Please tell me more.

Oh, so you only believe in vaccines the Orange Jesus supports. Got it.

Shingles is a virus. Same for some forms of pneumonia as well as other diseases on that list.

You're free to believe FaceBook cures, Fox News or whereever you earned your medical degree, Donnie. I'll stick with the consensus of the medical community.

You're free to put me on fake ignore if you don't like my posts, gramps. LOL

Leftist? You mean anyone left of your Orange Jesus pedophile and traitor?
 
Teflon Don said:
Wrong. If you have a respiratory virus, you can quarantine without knowing what virus it is.
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Only if you have symptoms, and report those symptoms. Even then it is impossible to know how long to quarantine for.

Teflon Don said:
Here is a thought experiment for you. You have the following, fever, aches, pains, stuffy nose and a cough. You got to your physician and get tested for both COVID and Influenza. Both come back negative. What will you do from a quarantine and/or treatment perspective?
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Depending on the severity, I might test for other things.

We are getting hit by more and more diseases that do not quarantine well based on symptoms. It is because we have gotten so good at recognizing symptoms, so we are getting hit by the things that do not show symptoms. HIV would be the good example.

I do not live an interesting enough life that HIV is a major concern, but if I did, I would test for HIV. When I donate blood, I test for HIV as a side effect. It is not about treating the symptoms, but about stopping the spread.
 
Walt said:
Only if you have symptoms, and report those symptoms. Even then it is impossible to know how long to quarantine for.


Depending on the severity, I might test for other things.

We are getting hit by more and more diseases that do not quarantine well based on symptoms. It is because we have gotten so good at recognizing symptoms, so we are getting hit by the things that do not show symptoms. HIV would be the good example.

I do not live an interesting enough life that HIV is a major concern, but if I did, I would test for HIV. When I donate blood, I test for HIV as a side effect. It is not about treating the symptoms, but about stopping the spread.
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This is one of the most uninformed posts I have ever read on this forum.

You get tested for HIV after donating blood? Wow. Just wow.
 
Callinectes said:
You don't think a few of the millions of "asylum seekers" who came in when he opened the border were infected?
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If they went through the asylum process, the border was not open. They were detained, applied for asylum, were medically examined, and had a court hearing. They were then paroled into the USA, which is the part you do not like. But that was not an open border.

And if they were unvaccinated, or tested positive for anything, they were not paroled. Have you ever been inducted into the military? In some ways, asylum seekers go through a similar process. They are not given health choices, but merely stand in line to get the health treatments they are ordered to.
 
Teflon Don said:
This is one of the most uninformed posts I have ever read on this forum. You get tested for HIV after donating blood? Wow. Just wow.
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Yes, they take a blood sample when I donate blood, and it is tested for HIV, so they can decide whether to use that blood. If I was living a more "interesting" life, I would get HIV tested on purpose.

I really do not know why you disagree with these facts. It is important to keep HIV out of our blood supply. Before they tested, people were getting HIV from blood transfusions. Now HIV is almost never transmitted by blood transfusions, and is being transmitted in fewer and fewer numbers every year by all means.

Testing has been very important in the slow march towards controlling and eradicating HIV.
 
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