Well,......looks like BIG T is going to end up with a lot of Ukraines rare Earth minerals,...gas/oil too.

At some point the Ukrainians will refuse to fight, will refuse to die for this Imperial Empire lost cause.

1.2 million is a lot to die for nothing, in a war that never should have happened, happened only because America constantly provoked Russia, and convinced Ukrainians to die trying to kill Russians.

You really look forward to your Russian heroes filling ditches with Ukrainian bodies, don't you.
 
Lets face it,.......there are one hell of a LOT of people both in UKRAINE and in America that have a vested interest pertaining to their own well being that the secrets of the creative accounting in regards to the hundreds of billions of dollars we gave Ukraine never see the light of day. People have been asking questions for quite some time, RIGHTFULLY SO,...where all of the money went? We KNOW where a lot of it went,...I mean c,Mon,...we aren't little children here. A lot of it went where it was supposed to go,...but untold billions did not. Instead much of it went directly into the pockets of Ukrainians power brokers with billions of it also sent back to the same here in America. THAT is where it went,.....it always does, especially these days. These money hungry blood thirsty fucks have no concern whatsoever for people AT ALL,...only money and power. They bled us dry throughout the war and what was planned as well was to do the very same AGAIN after the war during the re build of Ukraine. They were going to bleed the American taxpayer to death with that scam too, in just the same manner. ENUFF! The buck stops here,..AND NOW! Money goes out with a portion ALWAYS washed clean and funneled back. It is my sincerest of hopes that some day these bastards are all fully exposed and HUNG by the neck until dead in public view after being frog marched down the street in front of WE THE PEOPLE. It is truly what they deserve,....and so much more as Human life means NOTHING to them.
 
As we saw with the USAID money flow stop almost all media in Ukraine has been funded by America, which certainly means that they run CIA mind washing programing......likely has been going back to 2014 if not earlier.

The Ukrainians were convinced to act against interests.

They are still doing it.....they dont learn.
 
Lets face it,.......there are one hell of a LOT of people both in UKRAINE and in America that have a vested interest pertaining to their own well being that the secrets of the creative accounting in regards to the hundreds of billions of dollars we gave Ukraine never see the light of day. People have been asking questions for quite some time, RIGHTFULLY SO,...where all of the money went? We KNOW where a lot of it went,...I mean c,Mon,...we aren't little children here. A lot of it went where it was supposed to go,...but untold billions did not. Instead much of it went directly into the pockets of Ukrainians power brokers with billions of it also sent back to the same here in America. THAT is where it went,.....it always does, especially these days. These money hungry blood thirsty fucks have no concern whatsoever for people AT ALL,...only money and power. They bled us dry throughout the war and what was planned as well was to do the very same AGAIN after the war during the re build of Ukraine. They were going to bleed the American taxpayer to death with that scam too, in just the same manner. ENUFF! The buck stops here,..AND NOW! Money goes out with a portion ALWAYS washed clean and funneled back. It is my sincerest of hopes that some day these bastards are all fully exposed on HUNG in public view after being frog marched down the street in front of WE THE PEOPLE. It is truly what they deserve,....and so much more as Human life means NOTHING to them.

So all foreign policy should be based on whether or not a few crooks find a way to benefit from it? We should have no foreign policy at all, then, and just let criminal regimes around the world do whatever they want., cuz we're evil too?
 
I keep going back to what the Bible says about such matters,.........." for what does a man profit if he gains the whole world but loses his soul" NEVER have any words ever written been so true. The answer to that question is obvious. He gains NOTHING,.....and in fact loses EVERYTHING!
 
Lets face it,.......there are one hell of a LOT of people both in UKRAINE and in America that have a vested interest pertaining to their own well being that the secrets of the creative accounting in regards to the hundreds of billions of dollars we gave Ukraine never see the light of day. People have been asking questions for quite some time, RIGHTFULLY SO,...where all of the money went? We KNOW where a lot of it went,...I mean c,Mon,...we aren't little children here. A lot of it went where it was supposed to go,...but untold billions did not. Instead much of it went directly into the pockets of Ukrainians power brokers with billions of it also sent back to the same here in America. THAT is where it went,.....it always does, especially these days. These money hungry blood thirsty fucks have no concern whatsoever for people AT ALL,...only money and power. They bled us dry throughout the war and what was planned as well was to do the very same AGAIN after the war during the re build of Ukraine. They were going to bleed the American taxpayer to death with that scam too, in just the same manner. ENUFF! The buck stops here,..AND NOW! Money goes out with a portion ALWAYS washed clean and funneled back. It is my sincerest of hopes that some day these bastards are all fully exposed and HUNG by the neck until dead in public view after being frog marched down the street in front of WE THE PEOPLE. It is truly what they deserve,....and so much more as Human life means NOTHING to them.
We see this all through the dying West.....governments betraying the people.....sometimes for UTOPIA and sometimes for power and sometimes for money.
 
So all foreign policy should be based on whether or not a few crooks find a way to benefit from it? We should have no foreign policy at all, then, and just let criminal regimes around the world do whatever they want., cuz we're evil too?
No, of course not. But we cant let these things continue either. We need to make policies and treaties that are always in the best interest of all parties involved. If things are not done in such a way they are doomed to fail from the beginning,....how can they not.
 
Not only are we evil too,...but maybe even the most evil " in at least the last few decades or so". No,...not the American people as a whole. But a lot of our Government is and a massive amount of those behind the scenes that CONTROL our govt like puppets.
 
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Not only are we evil too,...but maybe even the most evil " in at least the last few decades or so". No,...not the American people as a whole. But a lot of our Government is and a massive amounts of not all of those behind the scenes that CONTROL our govt like puppets.
I just a few days ago heard someone say that America is one of the most corrupt countries, the elites just hid it better.
 
I doubt the mineral deal is dead. Rubio and Graham wanted it and probably still want it, so it was strategic to come down hard on Zelensky after the blowup, as both did. Soothing Trump in that way is the key to reopening his mind.
 
I doubt the mineral deal is dead. Rubio and Graham wanted it and probably still want it, so it was strategic to come down hard on Zelensky after the blowup, as both did. Soothing Trump in that way is the key to reopening his mind.
They call this mental gymnastics.
 
I doubt the mineral deal is dead. Rubio and Graham wanted it and probably still want it, so it was strategic to come down hard on Zelensky after the blowup, as both did. Soothing Trump in that way is the key to reopening his mind.
They would need to really sweeten the pot a lot to reopen the mineral deal. I just don't think trump has it in him to do that.
 
They would need to really sweeten the pot a lot to reopen the mineral deal. I just don't think trump has it in him to do that.

He might have it in him to become the big hearted hero of the moment in the eyes of the world . Having crushed Zelensky there's nothing more for him to get in that kind of "winning". Rubio and Graham are nudging him in that direction.

The fate of Ukraine won't come down to a spat on a tv.
 
He might have it in him to become the big hearted hero of the moment in the eyes of the world . Having crushed Zelensky there's nothing more for him to get in that kind of "winning". Rubio and Graham are nudging him in that direction.

The fate of Ukraine won't come down to a spat on a tv.
Ukraine can be betrayed by trump for free, so why bother paying him for it?

For this deal to go forward, trump would have to convince Ukraine that he can contribute to their victory. I really have no idea how he would do that. But then the next step happens. Remember this is a deal that plays out over decades, so trump needs to actually contribute to their victory.
 
Ukraine can be betrayed by trump for free, so why bother paying him for it?

For this deal to go forward, trump would have to convince Ukraine that he can contribute to their victory. I really have no idea how he would do that. But then the next step happens. Remember this is a deal that plays out over decades, so trump needs to actually contribute to their victory.
"I really have no idea"... one of the few times that you have been right, Walter.
 
Ukraine can be betrayed by trump for free, so why bother paying him for it?

For this deal to go forward, trump would have to convince Ukraine that he can contribute to their victory. I really have no idea how he would do that. But then the next step happens. Remember this is a deal that plays out over decades, so trump needs to actually contribute to their victory.
The alliance is most important. By standing with Ukraine we maintain it, by jettisoning Ukraine we all but junk it and leave Western Europe to itself.
 
Not only are we evil too,...but maybe even the most evil " in at least the last few decades or so". No,...not the American people as a whole. But a lot of our Government is and a massive amount of those behind the scenes that CONTROL our govt like puppets.

You need to get out more; it's dog eat dog out there outside of our little cocoon, and libertarians are Hansel and Gretel and living in gingerbread houses just waiting to get eaten. The outside world does matter, and it's far better to be the hegemon than handing that over to Red Chinese, Russians, and ME thugs.

That evil government draws its workers and leaders from the American people; they are the same people.
 
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