Zelenskyy now says he will sign the deal...

BartenderElite said:
Re: the bolded. Yes - that is true. We should only COMMIT OUR MILITARY when there is an imminent threat.

We're giving aid to the Ukraine in their fight. We're not putting Americans in harm's way.

Hope that helps.
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there is zero reason for us to worry about Russia and Ukraine. What is our interest? Seems Europe has more to worry about than us. Are you skeered that Putin is going to invade? Is there an imminent threat?
 
Walt said:
So the weapons and training is completely impossible to just "skim off the top". The humanitarian aid is not under the Ukrainian control, so again could not be "skimmed off the top." The whole claim is beyond suspect.
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Walter:
"The EU sent cash aid, almost all of the aid the USA sent was weapons. You cannot "skim" weapons off the top."

"...almost all.." wrong, Walter.
 
Walt said:
How would you know how salty my semen is?
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In today’s parlance, “salty” is a slang term that’s evolved to mean being bitter, irritated, or upset—usually with a dash of pettiness or sarcasm thrown in. It’s not about literal salt anymore, as Salty Walty has been before.

Picture someone who’s mad they lost a debate and keeps whining about it—that’s salty.

It’s often tied to lingering resentment. On a social media platform like JustPlainPolitics.com you’ll see it in many past replies to Salty Walty's posts, meaning he’s stewing in impotent rage because he was humiliated again.

The term’s roots go back further—naval slang called grumpy sailors “salty” from long sea stints, and Black English gave it a spin in the 20th century for sharp-tongued sass.

By the 2010s, gamers and internet culture cemented it: think Twitch chats flaming a player who’s “salty” over a bad call. Urban Dictionary’s top defs from 2023-2024 nail it as “bitter” or “passive-aggressive,” often with a mocking twist.

Context is key. “Salty” might mock someone’s over-the-top reaction, while “salty vibes” hints at hilarious histrionic hostility.


@Grok
 
T. A. Gardner said:
You have never looked at geopolitics and global strategy then. With the fall of the Soviet Union there was just one super-power left, the US. That is a extreme rarity in history. China rose to fill the vacuum. Now, you are seeing a US - China super-power rivalry alignment of the world. The secondary powers are Europe, Russia, India, and trans-Asian nations aligned against China. Who gets Russia as an ally / aligned power is going to make a serious difference. Europe is in decline as a world power. India is on the rise, along with nations in trans-Asia like Japan and Korea.

Keeping Russia from aligning with China is a significant reason to want to work to get that nation aligned with the West. China grasps that, the Left in the West doesn't. Biden fucked away any goodwill the US had built with Russia in favor of useless Ukraine. Trump is reversing that, as he should.

The 'eye on the ball' thing here is China. Ukraine is largely, if not entirely, irrelevant politically. The European powers are just whining about the situation there because they're weak and spineless.

The best move for the US is to end the Russia-Ukraine war on terms that leaves Ukraine able to rebuild their country, sans some bits given to Russia while Russia is more open to relations with the US and Europe. At the same time, the US needs to strengthen ties to Japan, Korea, The Philippines, Indonesia, and India, along with Vietnam. All things, Biden was pissing away--his failures at foreign policy are near legendary.

Your version is as asininely stupid as Biden's.
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The problem, Teresa, is that you don't understand anything about geopolitics and global strategy. You think you do, but you're just a brainwashed and inconsequential cog in the machine that owns your existence.

Russia and the US are diametrically opposed politically and culturally. We cannot be allies. You think that abandoning Western culture and liberal democracy will secure the US a place in the future because it will buy Russia as a short term friend. That makes you as anti-American and un-American as can possibly be imagined.

For someone who feigns to speak intelligently, your ignorance of world history and present day international relations is staggering. Russia will never be our friend during our lifetimes. Your insistence otherwise is proof positive that you are actually an idiot, a liar, and a truth denier. You are a mouthpiece of the state propaganda media you consume.

Now, as you giggle at Trump pissing all over the world order and every alliance that has mattered for the past 100 years, you had better hope that he dies before he can accomplish all that you think you support. Never forget that you will be as fucked as the rest of us when Putin finishes supplanting Trump with your bitch boy encouragement.
 
Stone said:
Sure didn't. So again I ask....Why does Z always wear Military style fatigues in front of the cameras? Why is that exactly?
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He's dressed that way since Russia invaded, in solidarity with his resisting countrymen and women, who approve. I never heard Americans question it until now. Trump supporters now must question it since Trump just questioned it and it's from Trump they learn how they are supposed to think.
 
Diogenes said:
In today’s parlance, “salty” is a slang term that’s evolved to mean being bitter, irritated, or upset—usually with a dash of pettiness or sarcasm thrown in. It’s not about literal salt anymore, as Salty Walty has been before.

Picture someone who’s mad they lost a debate and keeps whining about it—that’s salty.

It’s often tied to lingering resentment. On a social media platform like JustPlainPolitics.com you’ll see it in many past replies to Salty Walty's posts, meaning he’s stewing in impotent rage because he was humiliated again.

The term’s roots go back further—naval slang called grumpy sailors “salty” from long sea stints, and Black English gave it a spin in the 20th century for sharp-tongued sass.

By the 2010s, gamers and internet culture cemented it: think Twitch chats flaming a player who’s “salty” over a bad call. Urban Dictionary’s top defs from 2023-2024 nail it as “bitter” or “passive-aggressive,” often with a mocking twist.

Context is key. “Salty” might mock someone’s over-the-top reaction, while “salty vibes” hints at hilarious histrionic hostility.


@Grok
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I'm glad that you made it "simple" for "Simply Poor Walter."
 
martin said:
He's dressed that way since Russia invaded, in solidarity with his resisting countrymen and women, who approve. I never heard Americans question it until now. Trump supporters must question it of course since Trump questioned it and it's from Trump they learn how they are supposed to think.
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Cosplay.

I don't recall any US presidents wearing fatigues during wartime.

I do recall dictators like Stalin, Mao, and Fidel doing so, though.

Didn't tiny tyrant Zelensky pretend he couldn't hold an election?
 
Teflon Don said:
there is zero reason for us to worry about Russia and Ukraine. What is our interest? Seems Europe has more to worry about than us. Are you skeered that Putin is going to invade? Is there an imminent threat?
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Well-said, TD.

America is a debtor nation. We have no compelling national interest in funding the government of Ukraine that I am aware of.

You?
 
Diogenes said:
Well-said, TD.

America is a debtor nation. We have no compelling national interest in funding the government of Ukraine that I am aware of.

You?
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I am not. Unlike some, I have learned the hard lessons of Iraq and Afghanistan. I regret supporting the war in Iraq. I do not want to see us repeat those mistakes.

I can't wait until DOGE audits the money sent to Ukraine

What is funny is that this is the guy running Ukraine that JPP marxists are drooling over

View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/YdrAJeytpVA
 
Walt said:
Is it just me or are the alt right posters constantly pointing to the causes of WWII, and saying we should do that again?
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I'm beginning to think that they want WW3. That will allow them to blame Ukraine and allow Trump to declare martial law, suspend elections, and appoint him dictator. These are straight up fascists. We must have no doubt. Trump and his supporters will burn it all down if they are allowed.
 
FastLane said:
Musk isn't borrowing money from us.
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Zelensky isn't borrowing money, either.

The U.S. has provided aid to Ukraine—over $119 billion since Russia’s 2022 invasion, per the Kiel Institute’s December 2024 tally—mostly as grants, not loans.

This includes military aid (about $65.9 billion), direct budget support (over $23 billion via USAID to keep Ukraine’s government running), and so-called "humanitarian assistance".

Zelensky himself has pushed back on any repayment framing, saying in February 2025, “A grant is not a debt,” rejecting President Trump’s idea of tying aid to mineral rights as repayment.

That said, there’s a wrinkle: in late 2024, the Biden administration crafted a $20 billion package within a G7 plan, using profits from frozen Russian assets to fund Ukraine. Technically, this was structured as a loan, but it’s not Zelensky borrowing directly from the U.S.—it’s a multilateral deal where repayment hinges on those asset profits, not Ukraine’s treasury. The U.S. isn’t expecting Ukraine to cough up cash; the risk sits with the asset pool, and some argue it’s a sneaky grant in disguise.

Trump’s team has floated recasting past aid as repayable, with mineral rights as collateral—Zelensky balked at that in February 2025 talks, insisting it’s not debt. No such deal has stuck; Congress and Ukraine’s parliament would need to approve any shift from grants to loans.


@Grok
 
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