TRUMP MULLS ENDING ALL ONGOING MILITARY AID TO UKRAINE

EdwinA said:
He got us into Viet Nam, he didn't start the war. This highlights another reading comprehension problem you ideologues have, and why your Gotcha attempt fail as badly as the Democrats' do.
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Eisenhower did not get us into Vietnam or start the war in Vietnam.
 
EdwinA said:
He sent the first American troops, just a fact. Whether you GOP shills like it or not doesn't mean anything.
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No, it’s not true that Dwight D. Eisenhower sent the first American troops into Vietnam in the sense of combat troops entering the conflict.

However, he did initiate U.S. military involvement by sending advisors, laying the groundwork for later escalation.

Let’s break it down.

Eisenhower, president from January 1953 to January 1961, oversaw the early stages of U.S. involvement in Vietnam during the Cold War.

After the French defeat at Dien Bien Phu in 1954 and the subsequent Geneva Accords, Vietnam was divided into North (communist, led by Ho Chi Minh) and South (anti-communist, initially under Ngo Dinh Diem). Eisenhower, driven by the "domino theory"—the fear that communism would spread across Southeast Asia—began supporting South Vietnam.

His administration sent the first U.S. military advisors to South Vietnam in 1955, under the Military Assistance Advisory Group (MAAG).

By the end of his presidency, around 900 advisors were there to train and equip the South Vietnamese army (ARVN) against the Viet Cong and North Vietnamese forces.

These were not combat troops but personnel providing technical, logistical, and strategic support. The first recorded U.S. military death in Vietnam—Captain Harry G. Cramer—occurred on October 21, 1957, during an advisory mission, though it was an isolated incident.

The deployment of combat troops didn’t happen until later, under President John F. Kennedy and, more significantly, Lyndon B. Johnson.

Kennedy increased the number of advisors to over 16,000 by 1963, and Johnson sent the first official combat units—Marines—into Vietnam in March 1965, marking the start of large-scale troop deployments.

So, Eisenhower didn’t send the “first American troops” if EdwinA means combat forces kicking off the Vietnam War. He did, however, start the U.S. military presence with advisors, a critical step that escalated under his successors.



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EdwinA said:
He sent the first American troops, just a fact. Whether you GOP shills like it or not doesn't mean anything.
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Eishenhower did not start the Vietnam war Edwina. LEFTISTS did!

Obviously you don't know what a shill is either.
I used to be one. It's a job in a casino...particularly in poker rooms.
 
EdwinA said:
It was part of the containment policy, which of course worked without triggering another world war. Republicans can really point to any war they won, except the illegal war their first President started in 1861, or Teddy's invasion of Spain.
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There was not a threat of another world war starting up in Vietman. The fact is Truman was the first to get us involved in Vietnam.

The Federal gov't refused or was unable to enforce the legally passed Fugitive Slave Act. The Fed was in the wrong for 10 long years. The matter of the legality of Secession could not be agreed upon, so it was settled on the battle field.

Teddy? You mean anti war McKinley who was assassinated after the war was over. If you look into Yellow Journalism you will find that the Spanish American war was triggered by newspaper Journalist psyops, and that the USS Maine explosion was not sabotage.
 
Bigdog said:
There was not a threat of another world war starting up in Vietman. The fact is Truman was the first to get us involved in Vietnam.
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Harry S. Truman was not the first U.S. president to get the United States involved in Vietnam in terms of direct military engagement or significant policy commitment, but his administration did take initial steps that set the stage for later involvement.

Truman, president from April 1945 to January 1953, oversaw the early post-World War II period when Vietnam was still a French colony (part of French Indochina).

During his tenure, the U.S. began supporting France’s efforts to maintain control over Vietnam against the communist-led Viet Minh, headed by Ho Chi Minh.

This support wasn’t about sending American troops or advisors to Vietnam but rather providing financial and material aid to France. Starting in 1950, after the outbreak of the Korean War and Mao’s victory in China, Truman’s administration framed the Indochina conflict as part of the global fight against communism. The U.S. sent millions in military aid—about $150 million by 1951 (roughly $1.7 billion today)—to help France fight the First Indochina War (1946–1954).

This aid was channeled through the Mutual Defense Assistance Act of 1949 and grew as the Cold War intensified. By 1952, the U.S. was funding roughly a third of France’s war effort in Vietnam.

However, no American military personnel were deployed there during Truman’s presidency—no advisors, no combat troops. The focus was on supporting a European ally, not direct U.S. involvement in Vietnam itself.

So, Truman wasn’t the “first” to involve the U.S. in Vietnam if you mean boots on the ground or a primary policy focus. His role was laying an indirect foundation through aid to France, driven by anti-communist priorities.



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EdwinA said:
He sent the first American troops, just a fact. Whether you GOP shills like it or not doesn't mean anything.
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They were not combat troops, they were advisors. JFK sent a division of combat troops. Truman did send Americans, too.
 
Bigdog said:
They were not combat troops, they were advisors. JFK sent a division of combat troops. Truman did send Americans, too.
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The deployment of combat troops didn’t happen until later, under President John F. Kennedy and, more significantly, Lyndon B. Johnson.

Kennedy increased the number of advisors to over 16,000 by 1963, and Johnson sent the first official combat units—Marines—into Vietnam in March 1965, marking the start of large-scale troop deployments.




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Diogenes said:
Harry S. Truman was not the first U.S. president to get the United States involved in Vietnam in terms of direct military engagement or significant policy commitment, but his administration did take initial steps that set the stage for later involvement.

Truman, president from April 1945 to January 1953, oversaw the early post-World War II period when Vietnam was still a French colony (part of French Indochina).

During his tenure, the U.S. began supporting France’s efforts to maintain control over Vietnam against the communist-led Viet Minh, headed by Ho Chi Minh.

This support wasn’t about sending American troops or advisors to Vietnam but rather providing financial and material aid to France. Starting in 1950, after the outbreak of the Korean War and Mao’s victory in China, Truman’s administration framed the Indochina conflict as part of the global fight against communism. The U.S. sent millions in military aid—about $150 million by 1951 (roughly $1.7 billion today)—to help France fight the First Indochina War (1946–1954).

This aid was channeled through the Mutual Defense Assistance Act of 1949 and grew as the Cold War intensified. By 1952, the U.S. was funding roughly a third of France’s war effort in Vietnam.

However, no American military personnel were deployed there during Truman’s presidency—no advisors, no combat troops. The focus was on supporting a European ally, not direct U.S. involvement in Vietnam itself.

So, Truman wasn’t the “first” to involve the U.S. in Vietnam if you mean boots on the ground or a primary policy focus. His role was laying an indirect foundation through aid to France, driven by anti-communist priorities.



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As I posted to you before ....

"During his presidency, Harry S. Truman initiated the United States' military aid to Vietnam by providing financial support to the French forces fighting against the Viet Minh in the First Indochina War, essentially marking the beginning of American involvement in the region; this aid included sending a Military Assistance Advisory Group (MAAG) to Vietnam in 1950 to oversee the distribution of US military equipment to the French army" - google Ai
 
Bigdog said:
As I posted to you before ....

"During his presidency, Harry S. Truman initiated the United States' military aid to Vietnam by providing financial support to the French forces fighting against the Viet Minh in the First Indochina War, essentially marking the beginning of American involvement in the region; this aid included sending a Military Assistance Advisory Group (MAAG) to Vietnam in 1950 to oversee the distribution of US military equipment to the French army" - google Ai
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Are you under the impression that I was disagreeing with you?
 
Diogenes said:
The deployment of combat troops didn’t happen until later, under President John F. Kennedy and, more significantly, Lyndon B. Johnson.

Kennedy increased the number of advisors to over 16,000 by 1963, and Johnson sent the first official combat units—Marines—into Vietnam in March 1965, marking the start of large-scale troop deployments.




@Grok
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It was definitely LBJ's war. Nixon was the one who pulled all of our troops out, officially ending our military engagement.

And according to Admiral Scottsdale who at the time was a young fighter pilot flying over the incident, the Gulf of Tonkin was a hoax.
 
Let's stop offending @WinterBorn's tender sensibilities and return to the thread topic.

The failing New York Times claims that President Trump is meeting with aides today to discuss canceling U.S. military aid to Ukraine.






 
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